Trades and Transactions Thread - 2025 Cont'd

[KnixinSix]

Yes he had a 22ppg season with the Sixers and not only he didn't shoot 25 times a game but he actually improved his fg% while shooting more so i don't understand where the irony is. I don't think u know what irony means.

Yes Toppin went from a 7 rotation team to a 10 rotation team and "barely" improved his minutes and points. lol


Yes u convinced me with your dick ridding, definitely not two bad trades because of thibs idiocy.

He’s played on 4 teams in the last 2 years. Nobody cares what he put up on that trash Sixers team. You still didn’t answer my question, if it was the coach then why is it that the guy who stole his spot played better than him? If it was the coach then why did Donte not have issues getting shots or finding his fit? The answer is it wasn’t Thibs but it was Grimes. Whatever his excuse might be for why he stunk that last year, injuries or whatever it was, the fact still remains that he absolutely stunk and the guy who took his spot thrived.

Obi wanted out because he thought he would become a starter and play more minutes. He never got that and basically plays the same minutes and role just in a style that suits him better.

Grimes is an better overall player than Divo, and he had more expectations of himself and Thibs neutered him. When you watch him handle the ball, shoot, drive, you could tell he had some game, but he was relegated to standing in the corner for threes...don't know why this is a surprise, there's a quote here somewhere where he talked about it.

Divo played better because his less talented game required him to run around, get open and bomb shots, which is what Thibs wanted from him, nothing else. If he had to drive or handle the rock, it was back to whoever gave him the ball. Grimes was capable of more. Here's the irony...Thibs didn't even play Divo until it was absolutely necessary (as usual ) because of his lack of skill other than shooting. Do you remember Divo barking at Thibs when he came back to the Garden? He was saying "can't finish, right Thibs, can't finish" after getting a left handed And 1 layup. Divo was barking at him because it was clear Thibs didn't give him more opportunities earlier because he had a problem with his game, too.

One thing Dante had over Grimes was confidence, though....you're right, it's on Grimes too, he should've bombed away, but he wasn't as good as Dante at relocating for open shots and like he said in the interview, those 1 or 2 open shots he would get during his entire time...it was make it or bust. If he didn't have an open shot, his instinct was to create, not give it up and go find another spot to get open like Dante did, and he would do it shakily because he knew a turnover here or a blocked shot there, and he's benched. That **** with a young players confidence......so yeah....that's on Thib's, too.

Another really good read on the situation CyKnick. I'll qualify one component of it as it bears bringing it to light. Donte's 3 ball here became so ridiculously good that he was an ultra spacer because he could hit it 5 feet beyond the arc with ease when he was on. That's a quality that no current Knick or Grimes has. KAT might be the closest.

[Fury]

Knicks needed better corner 3 point shooting in the playoffs. If we can’t get Donte, we need to get Malik Beasley.

Yea...I don't want that PAB near my team. I'd rather hate him from afar.

I don't blame you. But he's just basketball hate for me. He would be good on our team. Although now that you mention it, he's done some questionable stuff off court.

[Knicksfan1992]

I liked Grimes here but, the revisionist history getting applied throughout this thread is actually insane

Grimes straight up became scared to shoot towards the end of his tenure as a Knick. Blame Thibs all you want but, some of that responsibility has to fall on the player as well. Especially, since his replacement came in and instantly had no problem getting threes up and helping the offense.

It also needs to be noted that it took Grimes getting to his 4th team to show any sort of modicum of development since he left here and that team was actively trying to lose games. We have no idea if his aggression is due to that or if he's actually turned a corner mentality wise.

Yes, in theory, Grimes would be a nice pairing with Brunson long term but if he's not willing to shoot then he's an active detriment to the team.

In hindsight, it may have been short sighted to send Grimes out but, I don't know if we could have stayed below the 2nd apron carrying Grimes salary another year and also acquire Bridges and KAT in the process...

If you want a better version of Grimes, then go get Keon Ellis IMO. I've been banging that drum in here for months

[Knicksfan1992]

Knicks have become betting favorites to land KD for what it's worth.

I don't usually put too much stock into that because ultimately Vegas is usually just basing the odds on what makes them the most money from the public but, since it's a foregone conclusion that he's leaving this may have a bit more weight to it than usual with these kind of betting props.

[HEZI]

Yes he had a 22ppg season with the Sixers and not only he didn't shoot 25 times a game but he actually improved his fg% while shooting more so i don't understand where the irony is. I don't think u know what irony means.

Yes Toppin went from a 7 rotation team to a 10 rotation team and "barely" improved his minutes and points. lol


Yes u convinced me with your dick ridding, definitely not two bad trades because of thibs idiocy.

He’s played on 4 teams in the last 2 years. Nobody cares what he put up on that trash Sixers team. You still didn’t answer my question, if it was the coach then why is it that the guy who stole his spot played better than him? If it was the coach then why did Donte not have issues getting shots or finding his fit? The answer is it wasn’t Thibs but it was Grimes. Whatever his excuse might be for why he stunk that last year, injuries or whatever it was, the fact still remains that he absolutely stunk and the guy who took his spot thrived.

Obi wanted out because he thought he would become a starter and play more minutes. He never got that and basically plays the same minutes and role just in a style that suits him better.

Grimes is an better overall player than Divo, and he had more expectations of himself and Thibs neutered him. When you watch him handle the ball, shoot, drive, you could tell he had some game, but he was relegated to standing in the corner for threes...don't know why this is a surprise, there's a quote here somewhere where he talked about it.

Divo played better because his less talented game required him to run around, get open and bomb shots, which is what Thibs wanted from him, nothing else. If he had to drive or handle the rock, it was back to whoever gave him the ball. Grimes was capable of more. Here's the irony...Thibs didn't even play Divo until it was absolutely necessary (as usual ) because of his lack of skill other than shooting. Do you remember Divo barking at Thibs when he came back to the Garden? He was saying "can't finish, right Thibs, can't finish" after getting a left handed And 1 layup. Divo was barking at him because it was clear Thibs didn't give him more opportunities earlier because he had a problem with his game, too.

One thing Dante had over Grimes was confidence, though....you're right, it's on Grimes too, he should've bombed away, but he wasn't as good as Dante at relocating for open shots and like he said in the interview, those 1 or 2 open shots he would get during his entire time...it was make it or bust. If he didn't have an open shot, his instinct was to create, not give it up and go find another spot to get open like Dante did, and he would do it shakily because he knew a turnover here or a blocked shot there, and he's benched. That **** with a young players confidence......so yeah....that's on Thib's, too.

This doesn’t make sense. So Grimes wasn’t given an opportunity and now neither was Donte? Yeah Donte came off the bench earlier because Grimes was given the starting role and he flat out sucked in it.

By the way we had Brunson, RJ and Randle all handling the ball and creating shots so what we needed was a specialist and which is why Donte excelled because he was a better catch and shoot player but he did more than that once his role expanded later in the year due to trades and injuries.

Grimes was asked to play the same role Aaron Nesmith is playing on Indiana. You think Indiana is running a bunch of plays for Nesmith? Their ball handlers are Haliburton, Nembhard and Siakam. Nesmith stands and waits for catch and shoot opportunities.

Grimes’ role was surrounded by other guys who needed to have the ball in their hands so of course he needed to find a rhythm as a catch and shoot guy like he did in his 2nd year but he never could find that rhythm his last year so he was replaced by someone who actually could.

[mpharris36]

Knicks have become betting favorites to land KD for what it's worth.

I don't usually put too much stock into that because ultimately Vegas is usually just basing the odds on what makes them the most money from the public but, since it's a foregone conclusion that he's leaving this may have a bit more weight to it than usual with these kind of betting props.

ok now here's the question what iteration of a KD trade would be less damning to the knicks future?

[Knicksfan1992]

Knicks have become betting favorites to land KD for what it's worth.

I don't usually put too much stock into that because ultimately Vegas is usually just basing the odds on what makes them the most money from the public but, since it's a foregone conclusion that he's leaving this may have a bit more weight to it than usual with these kind of betting props.

ok now here's the question what iteration of a KD trade would be less damning to the knicks future?

I've said it before but the only way a KD to the Knicks makes sense to me is in a straight swap with KAT. It's the cleanest way to not touch the main core of your roster and if you don't make the Conference finals again you can still let KD walk and at least have Brunson, Bridges, OG, Deuce, and Hart as a core 5 to work with.

I just don't think there's a way you can start KD/KAT as your 4/5 and survive defensively in the playoffs.

Maybe Brock Aller knows a way we can somehow survive the loss of depth by sending other pieces out but, I just don't see it.

[mpharris36]

Knicks have become betting favorites to land KD for what it's worth.

I don't usually put too much stock into that because ultimately Vegas is usually just basing the odds on what makes them the most money from the public but, since it's a foregone conclusion that he's leaving this may have a bit more weight to it than usual with these kind of betting props.

ok now here's the question what iteration of a KD trade would be less damning to the knicks future?

I've said it before but the only way a KD to the Knicks makes sense to me is in a straight swap with KAT. It's the cleanest way to not touch the main core of your roster and if you don't make the Conference finals again you can still let KD walk and at least have Brunson, Bridges, OG, Deuce, and Hart as a core 5 to work with.

I just don't think there's a way you can start KD/KAT as your 4/5 and survive defensively in the playoffs.

Maybe Brock Aller knows a way we can somehow survive the loss of depth by sending other pieces out but, I just don't see it.

The only two paths are

KD for KAT

and

KD for OG+Mitch

I don't love the idea of either to be honest. KAT is young more durable and a better rebounder. Meaning if something happens to Mitch with KD on the roster who then plays center full time? Hukporti?

Again I can see a scenario if the entire team is healthy come playoff time and you can start

Brunson/Mikal/OG/KD/Mitch you might be better for NEXT year but there is such huge risk with that move. You now have 3 injury prone players in your starting lineup and if one of those guys go down I don't see how your replace them. KAT at least gives you flexibility if you want to go more defense you can play him at the 4..if you want to go offense he still can't outscore his lack of defense at the 5. He's also younger and has contract control more than KD.

It would be a wildly risky move to say the least.

[seren]

I liked Grimes here but, the revisionist history getting applied throughout this thread is actually insane

Grimes straight up became scared to shoot towards the end of his tenure as a Knick. Blame Thibs all you want but, some of that responsibility has to fall on the player as well. Especially, since his replacement came in and instantly had no problem getting threes up and helping the offense.

It also needs to be noted that it took Grimes getting to his 4th team to show any sort of modicum of development since he left here and that team was actively trying to lose games. We have no idea if his aggression is due to that or if he's actually turned a corner mentality wise.

Yes, in theory, Grimes would be a nice pairing with Brunson long term but if he's not willing to shoot then he's an active detriment to the team.

In hindsight, it may have been short sighted to send Grimes out but, I don't know if we could have stayed below the 2nd apron carrying Grimes salary another year and also acquire Bridges and KAT in the process...

If you want a better version of Grimes, then go get Keon Ellis IMO. I've been banging that drum in here for months

Yes. I will go ahead and do that. He shot pretty well in Dallas and then Philly.

I have said this in the past. It is not only about minutes with Thibs. Players seem to play scared. A guy like Obi may not be getting more minutes in Indiana but he plays free. He has no concerns letting it rain or run every possession. That is what Thibs does that to your confidence if you are a role player. He is going to make you play scared and be hesitant.

[Knicksfan1992]

ok now here's the question what iteration of a KD trade would be less damning to the knicks future?

I've said it before but the only way a KD to the Knicks makes sense to me is in a straight swap with KAT. It's the cleanest way to not touch the main core of your roster and if you don't make the Conference finals again you can still let KD walk and at least have Brunson, Bridges, OG, Deuce, and Hart as a core 5 to work with.

I just don't think there's a way you can start KD/KAT as your 4/5 and survive defensively in the playoffs.

Maybe Brock Aller knows a way we can somehow survive the loss of depth by sending other pieces out but, I just don't see it.

The only two paths are

KD for KAT

and

KD for OG+Mitch

I don't love the idea of either to be honest. KAT is young more durable and a better rebounder. Meaning if something happens to Mitch with KD on the roster who then plays center full time? Hukporti?

Again I can see a scenario if the entire team is healthy come playoff time and you can start

Brunson/Mikal/OG/KD/Mitch you might be better for NEXT year but there is such huge risk with that move. You now have 3 injury prone players in your starting lineup and if one of those guys go down I don't see how your replace them. KAT at least gives you flexibility if you want to go more defense you can play him at the 4..if you want to go offense he still can't outscore his lack of defense at the 5. He's also younger and has contract control more than KD.

It would be a wildly risky move to say the least.

I'm generally with you on this BTW.

I'd say I'm 70-30 in favor of not going for KD.

But, for me, I at least see the argument that KD is more reliable than Towns in a big game. You know what you're going to get. Like, I think the people who want to acquire KD would make the point that KD would never have gone 8-19 in Game 6 in Indiana with 4 brain dead fouls and 6-10 from the line.

I, generally, think keeping KAT makes sense but that other piece of it makes me wonder at least. If you're truly ALL-IN and have a chance to upgrade your team, specifically for the playoffs, then how can you just scoff at it because of injury concerns, age and contract situation.

I at least see that side of it even though I've laid out in previous threads and posts why there's some concerning signs that KD is declining a little more than the face stats suggest.

[Fat]

Jalen Brunson | Delon wright
Mikal Bridges | Donte Divincenzo
OG Anunoby | Josh hart
Julius Randle | Achiuwa
Mitchell Robinson | Hukpooti

[mpharris36]

I've said it before but the only way a KD to the Knicks makes sense to me is in a straight swap with KAT. It's the cleanest way to not touch the main core of your roster and if you don't make the Conference finals again you can still let KD walk and at least have Brunson, Bridges, OG, Deuce, and Hart as a core 5 to work with.

I just don't think there's a way you can start KD/KAT as your 4/5 and survive defensively in the playoffs.

Maybe Brock Aller knows a way we can somehow survive the loss of depth by sending other pieces out but, I just don't see it.

The only two paths are

KD for KAT

and

KD for OG+Mitch

I don't love the idea of either to be honest. KAT is young more durable and a better rebounder. Meaning if something happens to Mitch with KD on the roster who then plays center full time? Hukporti?

Again I can see a scenario if the entire team is healthy come playoff time and you can start

Brunson/Mikal/OG/KD/Mitch you might be better for NEXT year but there is such huge risk with that move. You now have 3 injury prone players in your starting lineup and if one of those guys go down I don't see how your replace them. KAT at least gives you flexibility if you want to go more defense you can play him at the 4..if you want to go offense he still can't outscore his lack of defense at the 5. He's also younger and has contract control more than KD.

It would be a wildly risky move to say the least.

I'm generally with you on this BTW.

I'd say I'm 70-30 in favor of not going for KD.

But, for me, I at least see the argument that KD is more reliable than Towns in a big game. You know what you're going to get. Like, I think the people who want to acquire KD would make the point that KD would never have gone 8-19 in Game 6 in Indiana with 4 brain dead fouls and 6-10 from the line.

I, generally, think keeping KAT makes sense but that other piece of it makes me wonder at least. If you're truly ALL-IN and have a chance to upgrade your team, specifically for the playoffs, then how can you just scoff at it because of injury concerns, age and contract situation.

I at least see that side of it even though I've laid out in previous threads and posts why there's some concerning signs that KD is declining a little more than the face stats suggest.

Listen I get it. There certainly is a scenario where KD being a more trust worthy option in the playoffs since he isn't a slow and plotting as KAT is make us not a bad defensively and KD probably matches much of KAT's offense...but there are so many "ifs".

KD has played of 62 games ONCE in the last 7 years. That means he is at least missing 20 or so games a season.

On top of that if you are going to "risky" strategy you need to have contigent plans due to injuries...and simply we wont have the roster flexibility to withstand any key injuries to KD or Mitch or OG.

Also like you said KD is declining he basically never drives anymore and is a mid range merchant....he is one of the best all time offensive players which and his jumper basically can't be contested at his legnth but with Mikal being a mid range guy and KD being a mid range guy and Brunson bring a mid range guy...there isn't a lot of diversity to the offense. We won't be a heavy drive team we probably win off ISO's and then just hope KD's healthy and plays a little bit better defense that KAT. Thats a lot of risk for the negative that injuries could derail the season...and then where do you go from there?

[spree8]

The only two paths are

KD for KAT

and

KD for OG+Mitch

I don't love the idea of either to be honest. KAT is young more durable and a better rebounder. Meaning if something happens to Mitch with KD on the roster who then plays center full time? Hukporti?

Again I can see a scenario if the entire team is healthy come playoff time and you can start

Brunson/Mikal/OG/KD/Mitch you might be better for NEXT year but there is such huge risk with that move. You now have 3 injury prone players in your starting lineup and if one of those guys go down I don't see how your replace them. KAT at least gives you flexibility if you want to go more defense you can play him at the 4..if you want to go offense he still can't outscore his lack of defense at the 5. He's also younger and has contract control more than KD.

It would be a wildly risky move to say the least.

I'm generally with you on this BTW.

I'd say I'm 70-30 in favor of not going for KD.

But, for me, I at least see the argument that KD is more reliable than Towns in a big game. You know what you're going to get. Like, I think the people who want to acquire KD would make the point that KD would never have gone 8-19 in Game 6 in Indiana with 4 brain dead fouls and 6-10 from the line.

I, generally, think keeping KAT makes sense but that other piece of it makes me wonder at least. If you're truly ALL-IN and have a chance to upgrade your team, specifically for the playoffs, then how can you just scoff at it because of injury concerns, age and contract situation.

I at least see that side of it even though I've laid out in previous threads and posts why there's some concerning signs that KD is declining a little more than the face stats suggest.

Listen I get it. There certainly is a scenario where KD being a more trust worthy option in the playoffs since he isn't a slow and plotting as KAT is make us not a bad defensively and KD probably matches much of KAT's offense...but there are so many "ifs".

KD has played of 62 games ONCE in the last 7 years. That means he is at least missing 20 or so games a season.

On top of that if you are going to "risky" strategy you need to have contigent plans due to injuries...and simply we wont have the roster flexibility to withstand any key injuries to KD or Mitch or OG.

Also like you said KD is declining he basically never drives anymore and is a mid range merchant....he is one of the best all time offensive players which and his jumper basically can't be contested at his legnth but with Mikal being a mid range guy and KD being a mid range guy and Brunson bring a mid range guy...there isn't a lot of diversity to the offense. We won't be a heavy drive team we probably win off ISO's and then just hope KD's healthy and plays a little bit better defense that KAT. Thats a lot of risk for the negative that injuries could derail the season...and then where do you go from there?

There’s more than just two options. You can get other teams involved too. But also, imo, any deal with the Suns needs to be 2 parts because they can’t attach players with KD.

[mpharris36]

I'm generally with you on this BTW.

I'd say I'm 70-30 in favor of not going for KD.

But, for me, I at least see the argument that KD is more reliable than Towns in a big game. You know what you're going to get. Like, I think the people who want to acquire KD would make the point that KD would never have gone 8-19 in Game 6 in Indiana with 4 brain dead fouls and 6-10 from the line.

I, generally, think keeping KAT makes sense but that other piece of it makes me wonder at least. If you're truly ALL-IN and have a chance to upgrade your team, specifically for the playoffs, then how can you just scoff at it because of injury concerns, age and contract situation.

I at least see that side of it even though I've laid out in previous threads and posts why there's some concerning signs that KD is declining a little more than the face stats suggest.

Listen I get it. There certainly is a scenario where KD being a more trust worthy option in the playoffs since he isn't a slow and plotting as KAT is make us not a bad defensively and KD probably matches much of KAT's offense...but there are so many "ifs".

KD has played of 62 games ONCE in the last 7 years. That means he is at least missing 20 or so games a season.

On top of that if you are going to "risky" strategy you need to have contigent plans due to injuries...and simply we wont have the roster flexibility to withstand any key injuries to KD or Mitch or OG.

Also like you said KD is declining he basically never drives anymore and is a mid range merchant....he is one of the best all time offensive players which and his jumper basically can't be contested at his legnth but with Mikal being a mid range guy and KD being a mid range guy and Brunson bring a mid range guy...there isn't a lot of diversity to the offense. We won't be a heavy drive team we probably win off ISO's and then just hope KD's healthy and plays a little bit better defense that KAT. Thats a lot of risk for the negative that injuries could derail the season...and then where do you go from there?

There’s more than just two options. You can get other teams involved too. But also, imo, any deal with the Suns needs to be 2 parts because they can’t attach players with KD.

Not really without gutting the entire roster.

KD makes like 55 MM

Its either got to be KAT or OG...the other guys don't make enough. 2 for 1 trade is already tough to manage you can't be suggesting Mikal, Hart, and Mitch...that is 3 key rotation players and two who are durable for 1 oft injured player...that isn't realistic for the knicks.

[KnixinSix]

Knicks have become betting favorites to land KD for what it's worth.

I don't usually put too much stock into that because ultimately Vegas is usually just basing the odds on what makes them the most money from the public but, since it's a foregone conclusion that he's leaving this may have a bit more weight to it than usual with these kind of betting props.

I would tend to believe with a pretty high level of certainty they wouldn't give up 3 more controlled years of a much younger KAT for 1 year of an older more injury prone KD. If anything this smells of moving Mitch, Hart and Bridges. 2 of them with only 1 year left on their contract and one who can be more or less replaced by the MLE in Hart (for a Ben Simmons or something like that).

We don't know what they can pull off or not quite yet, but in a perfect world my plan in order would be:

1. JJJ (but not for KAT)
2. Giannis (but very close to #1- and only reason it isn't #1 is the likely cost)
3. KD (but definitely not for KAT)

[KnixinSix]

Listen I get it. There certainly is a scenario where KD being a more trust worthy option in the playoffs since he isn't a slow and plotting as KAT is make us not a bad defensively and KD probably matches much of KAT's offense...but there are so many "ifs".

KD has played of 62 games ONCE in the last 7 years. That means he is at least missing 20 or so games a season.

On top of that if you are going to "risky" strategy you need to have contigent plans due to injuries...and simply we wont have the roster flexibility to withstand any key injuries to KD or Mitch or OG.

Also like you said KD is declining he basically never drives anymore and is a mid range merchant....he is one of the best all time offensive players which and his jumper basically can't be contested at his legnth but with Mikal being a mid range guy and KD being a mid range guy and Brunson bring a mid range guy...there isn't a lot of diversity to the offense. We won't be a heavy drive team we probably win off ISO's and then just hope KD's healthy and plays a little bit better defense that KAT. Thats a lot of risk for the negative that injuries could derail the season...and then where do you go from there?

There’s more than just two options. You can get other teams involved too. But also, imo, any deal with the Suns needs to be 2 parts because they can’t attach players with KD.

Not really without gutting the entire roster.

KD makes like 55 MM

Its either got to be KAT or OG...the other guys don't make enough. 2 for 1 trade is already tough to manage you can't be suggesting Mikal, Hart, and Mitch...that is 3 key rotation players and two who are durable for 1 oft injured player...that isn't realistic for the knicks.

This is where we agree to disagree MPH. I absolutely think you can do this type of 3 for 1. Lets say MLE gets you Ben Simmons, Oubre or Beasley (he basically replaces Hart). KD replaces Bridges and Mitch is basically available 30 games a year anyways. Huk will get more minutes next year too.

[KnixinSix]

I'm generally with you on this BTW.

I'd say I'm 70-30 in favor of not going for KD.

But, for me, I at least see the argument that KD is more reliable than Towns in a big game. You know what you're going to get. Like, I think the people who want to acquire KD would make the point that KD would never have gone 8-19 in Game 6 in Indiana with 4 brain dead fouls and 6-10 from the line.

I, generally, think keeping KAT makes sense but that other piece of it makes me wonder at least. If you're truly ALL-IN and have a chance to upgrade your team, specifically for the playoffs, then how can you just scoff at it because of injury concerns, age and contract situation.

I at least see that side of it even though I've laid out in previous threads and posts why there's some concerning signs that KD is declining a little more than the face stats suggest.

Listen I get it. There certainly is a scenario where KD being a more trust worthy option in the playoffs since he isn't a slow and plotting as KAT is make us not a bad defensively and KD probably matches much of KAT's offense...but there are so many "ifs".

KD has played of 62 games ONCE in the last 7 years. That means he is at least missing 20 or so games a season.

On top of that if you are going to "risky" strategy you need to have contigent plans due to injuries...and simply we wont have the roster flexibility to withstand any key injuries to KD or Mitch or OG.

Also like you said KD is declining he basically never drives anymore and is a mid range merchant....he is one of the best all time offensive players which and his jumper basically can't be contested at his legnth but with Mikal being a mid range guy and KD being a mid range guy and Brunson bring a mid range guy...there isn't a lot of diversity to the offense. We won't be a heavy drive team we probably win off ISO's and then just hope KD's healthy and plays a little bit better defense that KAT. Thats a lot of risk for the negative that injuries could derail the season...and then where do you go from there?

There’s more than just two options. You can get other teams involved too. But also, imo, any deal with the Suns needs to be 2 parts because they can’t attach players with KD.

In a 3 team deal they can......don't worry I'll run it in the trade machine.

[mpharris36]

There’s more than just two options. You can get other teams involved too. But also, imo, any deal with the Suns needs to be 2 parts because they can’t attach players with KD.

Not really without gutting the entire roster.

KD makes like 55 MM

Its either got to be KAT or OG...the other guys don't make enough. 2 for 1 trade is already tough to manage you can't be suggesting Mikal, Hart, and Mitch...that is 3 key rotation players and two who are durable for 1 oft injured player...that isn't realistic for the knicks.

This is where we agree to disagree MPH. I absolutely think you can do this type of 3 for 1. Lets say MLE gets you Ben Simmons, Oubre or Beasley (he basically replaces Hart). KD replaces Bridges and Mitch is basically available 30 games a year anyways. Huk will get more minutes next year too.

Thinking you can replace two of the highest MPG guys in the NBA with MLE/vet minimum type salaries is your first mistake.

Ben Simmons? come on bro...

[BowlRips]

Knicks have become betting favorites to land KD for what it's worth.

I don't usually put too much stock into that because ultimately Vegas is usually just basing the odds on what makes them the most money from the public but, since it's a foregone conclusion that he's leaving this may have a bit more weight to it than usual with these kind of betting props.

I would tend to believe with a pretty high level of certainty they wouldn't give up 3 more controlled years of a much younger KAT for 1 year of an older more injury prone KD. If anything this smells of moving Mitch, Hart and Bridges. 2 of them with only 1 year left on their contract and one who can be more or less replaced by the MLE in Hart (for a Ben Simmons or something like that).

We don't know what they can pull off or not quite yet, but in a perfect world my plan in order would be:

1. JJJ (but not for KAT)
2. Giannis (but very close to #1- and only reason it isn't #1 is the likely cost)
3. KD (but definitely not for KAT)

Wild 5 way trade:

Towns to Phx for Kevin Durant
Hart to Sacramento for Keegan Murray and 1st
Deuce to T-Wolves for DDV
Keegan Murray, Mikal Bridges, Sac 1st, NY 1st to Memphis for JJJ and Brandon Clarke
Sign Bruce Brown with the TPMLE

JJJ/Mitch
OG/Clark
KD
DDV/Brown
Brunson/Kolek

[god shammgod]

Kat doesn’t exactly have a great injury history either