[Camelo Thread] - Update: He's Pushing for NYK! Part 5

[AllanHoustonFan]

lol@ BT thinking Jay Z can deliver carmelo to the Nets. People should really take a look at the documentary The Blackout.

I'm tired of people overrating Jay-Z

[TrueWarrior]

stars first
depth 2nd

simple concept

I get the concept, but you have to leave yourself in a position to get the "role players". How do we plan on bettering ourselves and getting the Bynums and Odoms of the world if we trade Gallo/Chandler/Fields/Randolph and picks for Melo? How do we get better? It would take us YEARS to do it.

Its really not as "simple" as some of you say. You dont just find players as easily as you think. We'd be stuck as 2nd round exits and thats hoping Amare holds up.

You have to be VERY SMART about this, which is what Walsh is doing. Hes not just going to give up the whole team and go 3 on 5.

[AllanHoustonFan]

I know, I know it's Tommy Dee

but...

Many times when you hear information or read stories with these type of headlines there should be a “duh” button attached to it…that said, a source with knowledge of the Nuggets thinking has informed me that in order for a deal to get done with New York and Carmelo from the Nuggets end, the Knicks are seemingly going to have to come up with a lottery pick.

It seems that from the sound of things, the Knicks can secure a 1st round pick, but it would appear to be coming from a fringe playoff team and it would include parting ways with Anthony Randolph who has been shopped for weeks. That actually wouldn’t be that bad from the Nuggets perspective seeing that if they dealt Melo to New Jersey now, should Melo agree, the Nets could make their own playoff push.

The good news for the Knicks, from what I’ve been told, is that there has most certainly been dialogue recently and Denver seems willing to at least listen.

Of course, Melo can say to the Nuggets that he will only extend with the Knicks or test free agency.

Stay tuned.

http://www.theknicksblog.com/2010/12/21 ... e-lottery/

[moocow007]

stars first
depth 2nd

simple concept

I get the concept, but you have to leave yourself in a position to get the "role players". How do we plan on bettering ourselves and getting the Bynums and Odoms of the world if we trade Gallo/Chandler/Fields/Randolph and picks for Melo? How do we get better? It would take us YEARS to do it.

Its really not as "simple" as some of you say. You dont just find players as easily as you think. We'd be stuck as 2nd round exits and thats hoping Amare holds up.

You have to be VERY SMART about this, which is what Walsh is doing. Hes not just going to give up the whole team and go 3 on 5.

You're assuming that the Knicks would have to trade all 4 and that they would not get anyone back. absolutely they ahve to be smart about this (that's what a good number of us have said for ages...it's not about not needing Melo but rather about how much) but you can't over think this to death and have him bolt to NJ with an extension before you know what happened.

[CoolKids]

can we ban pharmcat already. all he does is complain about walsh no matter what. hes almost as bad as optimus

[TrueWarrior]

I know, I know it's Tommy Dee

but...

Of course, Melo can say to the Nuggets that he will only extend with the Knicks or test free agency.

Stay tuned.

Thats all he has to say. Really aint that hard. But OHHHH THE UNCERTAINTY!!!!!!

[Turisas]

A lottery pick? Lol Denver is not holding back.

[AllanHoustonFan]

Wojina is on next

[Knicks_Fan2]

Isn't it annoying when commentators say that Melo is giving up 65mm by testing free agency when really it's 65mm-whatever max salary he gets as a result of the new CBA which MAY include rollbacks on existing salaries? He's going to make a ton of cash regardless.

[Pharmcat]

stars first
depth 2nd

simple concept

I get the concept, but you have to leave yourself in a position to get the "role players". How do we plan on bettering ourselves and getting the Bynums and Odoms of the world if we trade Gallo/Chandler/Fields/Randolph and picks for Melo? How do we get better? It would take us YEARS to do it.

Its really not as "simple" as some of you say. You dont just find players as easily as you think. We'd be stuck as 2nd round exits and thats hoping Amare holds up.

You have to be VERY SMART about this, which is what Walsh is doing. Hes not just going to give up the whole team and go 3 on 5.

assuming a combo of chandler, fields, gallo, AR is used for the deal

to improve you have:

mle
lle
draft picks
aka "the summer goodies"

to add one piece right now
you have the expiring combo of azu/mosgov, worth at 6 mill or so (then factor in the 125% 100k rule)


there are 4 opportunities to improve the team, one right now, 3 in the summer

and whatever piece is remaining from the chandler, ar, gallo, fields pool can then also be used to make a move to adjust personnel

[ibraheim718]

Truwarrior.... how can you sit there and make that argument in the wake of what boston has done to win a chip and in the face of what miami has done to be aformidable contender? In both cases neither let one freaking role player get in the way of what they thought was the quickest way to a chip.

[CrazyKnicks]

Many times when you hear information or read stories with these type of headlines there should be a “duh” button attached to it…that said, a source with knowledge of the Nuggets thinking has informed me that in order for a deal to get done with New York and Carmelo from the Nuggets end, the Knicks are seemingly going to have to come up with a lottery pick.

The good news for the Knicks, from what I’ve been told, is that there has most certainly been dialogue recently and Denver seems willing to at least listen.

http://www.theknicksblog.com/2010/12/21 ... e-lottery/

Nuggets need to hop off with their demands. Everytime we meet one of their demands, they ask for more. Next thing you know, they'll ask for Amare.
If NJ is such a good deal, then trade him there already. Why listen to us anymore if NJ has such an over the top offer and we have no pieces?
Nets are willing to risk a rental situation, so what's stopping this Melo to Nets deal?
Melo has no choice since they're not scared about his impending FA.
If Im Donnie, I'll be like "here's my final offer, yes or no?" and if no, then make other moves to fill needs for this team.

[Jitpal]

I know, I know it's Tommy Dee

but...

Many times when you hear information or read stories with these type of headlines there should be a “duh” button attached to it…that said, a source with knowledge of the Nuggets thinking has informed me that in order for a deal to get done with New York and Carmelo from the Nuggets end, the Knicks are seemingly going to have to come up with a lottery pick.

It seems that from the sound of things, the Knicks can secure a 1st round pick, but it would appear to be coming from a fringe playoff team and it would include parting ways with Anthony Randolph who has been shopped for weeks. That actually wouldn’t be that bad from the Nuggets perspective seeing that if they dealt Melo to New Jersey now, should Melo agree, the Nets could make their own playoff push.

The good news for the Knicks, from what I’ve been told, is that there has most certainly been dialogue recently and Denver seems willing to at least listen.

Of course, Melo can say to the Nuggets that he will only extend with the Knicks or test free agency.

Stay tuned.

http://www.theknicksblog.com/2010/12/21 ... e-lottery/

He did break the Amar'e news so you can't discount his sources completely but he does have more misses than hits. Thus, this gets added to the noise pile. -Jitpal

[TrueWarrior]

stars first
depth 2nd

simple concept

I get the concept, but you have to leave yourself in a position to get the "role players". How do we plan on bettering ourselves and getting the Bynums and Odoms of the world if we trade Gallo/Chandler/Fields/Randolph and picks for Melo? How do we get better? It would take us YEARS to do it.

Its really not as "simple" as some of you say. You dont just find players as easily as you think. We'd be stuck as 2nd round exits and thats hoping Amare holds up.

You have to be VERY SMART about this, which is what Walsh is doing. Hes not just going to give up the whole team and go 3 on 5.

assuming a combo of chandler, fields, gallo, AR is used for the deal

to improve you have:

mle
lle
draft picks
aka "the summer goodies"

to add one piece right now
you have the expiring combo of azu/mosgov, worth at 6 mill or so (then factor in the 125% 100k rule)


there are 4 opportunities to improve the team, one right now, 3 in the summer

Moz isnt expiring, hes on a 3 year deal.

Draft picks would be in the 20s if we're talking about actually being good.

The MLE/LLE likely wont be enough to add a legit BIG MAN which is what we would need more than anything. Good big men all get much more than that, so youd have to hope an over the hill one takes less to "ring chase".

Like I said its not that simple. Wed be years down the line before we saw results. This is why Donnie is being careful. If he can wait till Free Agency hes going to do it. We'll get to keep Gallo, Fields, Randolph, and picks. Those guys will be our "Odom, Bynum, Brown, and Artest" who again do not just grown on trees.

Again Im trying to build a CHAMPION. Its harder than some realize and not as simple as "stars first, depth second." If that was the case then every good wing/big man combo would have won a championship. ITS NOT THAT EASY. Just let Donnie do his job and pump the brakes.

[TrueWarrior]

Truwarrior.... how can you sit there and make that argument in the wake of what boston has done to win a chip and in the face of what miami has done to be aformidable contender? In both cases neither let one freaking role player get in the way of what they thought was the quickest way to a chip.

Um LeBron/Wade/Bosh and Rondo/Allen/Pierce/Garnett > Melo/Amare/Felton.

Are you really going to compare them? Jeez. Do people forget about defense? Im flat out telling you Melo/Amare/Felton with some decent role players is taking us NOWHERE. But continue dreaming.

[Jmonty580]

So this guy Andrian just flat out thinks money is going to dictate where melo goes, and he already knows what the new CBA will hold lol.

[captain subtext]

Moz isnt expiring, hes on a 3 year deal.

Draft picks would be in the 20s if we're talking about actually being good.

The MLE/LLE likely wont be enough to add a legit BIG MAN which is what we would need more than anything. Good big men all get much more than that, so youd have to hope an over the hill one takes less to "ring chase".

Like I said its not that simple. Wed be years down the line before we saw results. This is why Donnie is being careful. If he can wait till Free Agency hes going to do it. We'll get to keep Gallo, Fields, Randolph, and picks. Those guys will be our "Odom, Bynum, Brown, and Artest" who again do not just grown on trees.

Again Im trying to build a CHAMPION. Its harder than some realize and not as simple as "stars first, depth second." If that was the case then every good wing/big man combo would have won a championship. ITS NOT THAT EASY. Just let Donnie do his job and pump the brakes.

Also: We don't know what the next CBA will look like. What means beyond capspace will be there?

On Mozgov: If I recall correctly only the first year of his contract is guaranteed, so we could cut ties with him if he doesn't develope in the next couple of months.

[Lord Commander]

Wait...did Wojina just call Wilson Chandler a "good veteran"...smh, this dude is pathetic.

[Jmonty580]

Picks, uncertain talent, is better than Gallo, Fields, and Chandler. lol, why does this guy have a job?

[ibraheim718]

The final two years on mozgov's contract have an option.