official Melo trade speculation - thread 2

[Capn'O]

the addition by subtraction posts

I've always been more of a subtraction by subtraction guy myself. Tanknation 2017-18 2daMax!

[El Poochio]

How deluded you must be for not agreeing on trades saying you cant be away from New York but push for a buyout to go to Cleveland

At least man up for once and say I will only go to Cleveland to chase rings, or hookers, oh but maybe you dont want them to give up any asset, the same thing you never did for New York while in Denver

Decarmeluded

Phil has never even said he has presented Melo with a trade. Melo has never said he has rejected a trade. Phil has said he hasn't found an acceptable trade for both parties. Melo's job isn't to go out and make trades. Melo's stance in public has always been to bring him and trade and he would look at it then.

This is all speculation based on sauces being legit or been leaked in purpose

[Greenie]

I'm ok with a buyout ONLY if he's leaving a lot of money on the table. I don't want to pay Melo really close to his full contract and let him walk to a contendor for nothing.

the full amount counts against the cap no matter what. so what's the difference ? all of a sudden people are worried about james dolan's money ?

I don't like that the rumor has been floated that the Knicks would be willing to buy him out. I think Phil should have closed the door on that a few days ago when he was going on about KP. They finally did today, which is good I guess, but letting that fester... nobody's gonna offer anything now. Only a complete **** garbage goddamn idiot of a GM would offer anything of value for a guy about to be bought out anyway.

Spoiler:

hi Glen Grunwald

[Handledatruth]

Now we jealous because he has money? This board has hit an all time low lol.



Melo fans talk about everything but actual flaws in his game and the fact that he doesn't want to play for a winner.

Person 1:"Melo is almost last in the league in defensive rating"
Person 2: "You just mad cuz he styling on you"

God forbid someone wants to play for their hometown team and finish out a contract he signed. Such a loser to want to hang around in the city where his children have grown up and his brand has expanded. What a selfish scumbag.

As a Father I respect the part about his Kids. Keep in mind I have had to leave my own country and risk not coming back to see my own Children. I have that perspective, but how is it okay for us to say it is okay for NBA players to remind us it is a business when it comes to leaving teams that drafted them. Then turn around and use the humanity card when it fits their convenience ? Either it is a business or it is not NBA players can't have it both ways.

How is him playing for New York not a business decision? Notice I mentioned his children and his brand. Is it only business if he plays for a championship? I'm not understanding the thought process here.

[Capn'O]

the full amount counts against the cap no matter what. so what's the difference ? all of a sudden people are worried about james dolan's money ?

I don't like that the rumor has been floated that the Knicks would be willing to buy him out. I think Phil should have closed the door on that a few days ago when he was going on about KP. They finally did today, which is good I guess, but letting that fester... nobody's gonna offer anything now. Only a complete **** garbage goddamn idiot of a GM would offer anything of value for a guy about to be bought out anyway.

Spoiler:

hi Glen Grunwald

I mostly made that post to get that shot in

[newyorker4ever]

His boss game him the option in his is going to exercise. The boss then can't blame the employee for exercising the option he gave him in the first place. The fans should be mad at the boss who did a terrible job and gave the employee the option in his contract.

But Melo should of done what he told his boss he was going to do which is to change his game to play in his boss' system which he didn't do. If he would of told his boss that he wasn't going to do it then maybe his boss wouldn't have given him not only the NTC but the contract all together.

[Knox]

God forbid someone wants to play for their hometown team and finish out a contract he signed. Such a loser to want to hang around in the city where his children have grown up and his brand has expanded. What a selfish scumbag.

As a Father I respect the part about his Kids. Keep in mind I have had to leave my own country and risk not coming back to see my own Children. I have that perspective, but how is it okay for us to say it is okay for NBA players to remind us it is a business when it comes to leaving teams that drafted them. Then turn around and use the humanity card when it fits their convenience ? Either it is a business or it is not NBA players can't have it both ways.

How is him playing for New York not a business decision? Notice I mentioned his children and his brand. Is it only business if he plays for a championship? I'm not understanding the thought process here.

What a selfish scumbag.

[Buttah304]

Is that true?? So we owe him lets say $54 mil, so if he took a buy out of lets say $45 mil we would still have the $54 coming off our cap??

correct

People forget STAT.

Its such a **** joke. Phoenix was NEVER going to give him more then 3 years. And this was coming after he put up 23.1 and 8.9 on 56% FG on 15.4 FGA. I just don't get it. Was STAT that much of a good soldier that people seem to forget it was impossible to get Melo the help he needed because Amare's Knees ate up our cap space. People have never vibed with Melo. Not from the jump. This **** is music to their ears. Everyone still pissed about the assets we gave up to get Melo. I am still pissed about Amare's salary all those years.

[newyorker4ever]

I'm not even mad at Melo from an objective standpoint tho...Phil tried to drag his name thru the dirt and took every opportunity to **** on him when he could to drive home the point he wants him out. If that was me I'd make Phil's ass pony up and give me my cake so I can eat it too.. This whole thing is a ****

Is telling the truth about someone dragging their name through the mud?? Phil never said anything that wasn't true about Melo.


I hate that i've become someone that's against what Melo is doing cause i've always been such a fan of his but he needs to let this Phil shyt go, grow up and get out of New York to a winning team to finish his career on a winner.

As a fan he didn't say anything that is false about Melo. But he isn't a fan he should have kept his mouth shut and shot rainbows up the nations A** about Melo. That is his job as a president to maximize his assets. He is not doing his job well when he devalues them.

So then no, telling the truth about someone isn't dragging their name through the mud.

[F N 11]

Spoiler:

These are tweets and actual quotes from Phil about Melo in mid-April. How does anyone see this as "trashing" Melo or humiliating Melo?? I'm convinced people read and see what they want to see. Yes, he shouldn't be talking about this in public as much as he has, but to say he's trashing Melo and being unfair to Melo, give me a break. If anything, Phil was too beholden to Melo by trying to win these past two years instead of going youth earlier.


Ian Begley @IanBegley
Phil Jackson says his 'partnership' with Carmelo hasn't worked out but credited Carmelo for 'carrying the load' with the Knicks.

Steve Popper ✔ @StevePopper
Phil said meeting with Melo was not contentious, but he told him with direction of team he'd be better off chasing championship elsewhere.

Mike Vorkunov @Mike_Vorkunov
Phil Jackson on Carmelo Anthony: "I think the direction with our team is that he would be better off somewhere else."

"We have not been able to win with him on the court at this time," Jackson told reporters. "And I think the direction with our team is that he is a player that will be better off somewhere else and using his talent somewhere where he can win or chase that championship.

"So in our talks this time we talked about how we're going to go about doing what we have to do. We will take into account his consideration. I told him we're not gonna, this is not a situation where we're going to dump you or do anything like that, but we're looking to improve ourselves however we can. We have not been able to win, and that's our priority: to win. So that's what we have to do. And our communication, our meeting was not contentious at all. It was cordial. So we'll go forward with that."

"We didn't talk about that," Jackson said. "We just talked about how we can make things the best [they can possibly be] for both of us. A place where he can go to be competitive, to be back in the hunt, and something that would benefit us moving forward as a young, developing team."

We live in an age where people read one quote and dont read the whole article. We also live in an age where the media can manipulate a quote and then have an entire fan base with their panties in a bunch.

If Melo just came out and said I know we suck but I want to play in New York. I would respect he doesnt care about winning and move on. At least he is honest. With a team full of young players he will continue to take 20 shots though. However people dont see the route we are trying to go.

Melo clearly has a lot left in the tank. I have no idea why its bad to tell him he can do so much more somewhere else. If anything its a compliment clearly.

[HarthorneWingo]

How deluded you must be for not agreeing on trades saying you cant be away from New York but push for a buyout to go to Cleveland

At least man up for once and say I will only go to Cleveland to chase rings, or hookers, oh but maybe you dont want them to give up any asset, the same thing you never did for New York while in Denver

Decarmeluded

Phil has never even said he has presented Melo with a trade. Melo has never said he has rejected a trade. Phil has said he hasn't found an acceptable trade for both parties. Melo's job isn't to go out and make trades. Melo's stance in public has always been to bring him and trade and he would look at it then.

This is all speculation based on sauces being legit or been leaked in purpose

Nothing will happen with Melo until all the free agents have made their decisions and signed on with their respective teams. That's when Melo will scout around and make a decision re which teams he'd like to play for (i.e. willing to waive his NTC for).

[Dr. Detfink]

That's fine. I support the reasons why he's staying in New York. Unfortunately that has NOTHING to do with his disinterest in playing the way his BOSS would like. Trust me, my boss is a knucklehead who makes MANY rules that don't work. Guess who has to somehow get creative and make it work? Tha's right. The Employees. I would BET I'm not alone in his conundrum.

You don't get the luxury of getting PAID and telling YOUR superior how to do HIS job for YOUR convenience. Neither should anyone else.

You won't retire till age 70 IF you're lucky. He'll be wiping his butt with $100 bill for the rest of his and his childrens' lives.

And that's why this current generation of NBA stars are fake adults.

[NOOB77]

How deluded you must be for not agreeing on trades saying you cant be away from New York but push for a buyout to go to Cleveland

At least man up for once and say I will only go to Cleveland to chase rings, or hookers, oh but maybe you dont want them to give up any asset, the same thing you never did for New York while in Denver

Decarmeluded

Phil has never even said he has presented Melo with a trade. Melo has never said he has rejected a trade. Phil has said he hasn't found an acceptable trade for both parties. Melo's job isn't to go out and make trades. Melo's stance in public has always been to bring him and trade and he would look at it then.

This is all speculation based on sauces being legit or been leaked in purpose

On both sides

[god shammgod]

His boss game him the option in his is going to exercise. The boss then can't blame the employee for exercising the option he gave him in the first place. The fans should be mad at the boss who did a terrible job and gave the employee the option in his contract.

But Melo should of done what he told his boss he was going to do which is to change his game to play in his boss' system which he didn't do. If he would of told his boss that he wasn't going to do it then maybe his boss wouldn't have given him not only the NTC but the contract all together.

let's say this is true, then what ? what if he did "play" in the system ? you would want to keep him ? how many more wins do you think we would have ? and to what end ? a worst daft pick ? or if h really really tried, cleveland steamrolling us when we snatch the 8th spot ?

[DOT]

correct

People forget STAT.

Its such a **** joke. Phoenix was NEVER going to give him more then 3 years. And this was coming after he put up 23.1 and 8.9 on 56% FG on 15.4 FGA. I just don't get it. Was STAT that much of a good soldier that people seem to forget it was impossible to get Melo the help he needed because Amare's Knees ate up our cap space. People have never vibed with Melo. Not from the jump. This **** is music to their ears. Everyone still pissed about the assets we gave up to get Melo. I am still pissed about Amare's salary all those years.

Amare's contract did us in way more than anything we traded to get Melo

[Greenie]

Now we jealous because he has money? This board has hit an all time low lol.



Melo fans talk about everything but actual flaws in his game and the fact that he doesn't want to play for a winner.

Person 1:"Melo is almost last in the league in defensive rating"
Person 2: "You just mad cuz he styling on you"

Then why keep bringing up a trade and his contract? Why keep calling him selfish...financially. Greedy? All about his brand? All about the money?

It comes off as salt.

We had to gut the team to get him because he wanted to make sure he got his money before a lockout. His value was already "New york only" so we had no competition. However you see common sense as fans being jealous. Just stop. I should stop watching ball since they have all this bread and nice chit. How you sound?

How do you sound being mad at the player?

You have a child and they ask for junk food while out running errands. You tell them to wait until you get home for a healthy meal. They tell you again they want some junk food. You give in and give it to them. Are you mad at the kid? Say no and move the fuq on.

The Knicks could have said no. They didn't. Stop holding Melo responsible for that ****.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

NY Post: Carmelo Anthony starts pushing for his ideal Knicks exit.

If Phil Jackson can’t bully Carmelo Anthony into accepting a trade, maybe Carmelo Anthony can bully Phil Jackson into a buyout.

While Anthony’s preference remains to stay in New York, an ESPN report cautioned, his camp has tried to start buyout discussions with the Knicks. By allowing Anthony to become a free agent after a buyout, the path would be cleared for him to join buddy LeBron James with the Cavaliers and his quest to knock off the Warriors.

According to the report, the Knicks have not yet entertained this idea, still wanting to rid themselves cleanly of Anthony’s contract and bring back a return via trade. But with Anthony’s no-trade clause, that has proven tricky.

If the Knicks decide they can’t convince Anthony to accept a trade — or if they can’t find a deal that both satisfies the franchise and works with a trade partner, who would absorb the two years and $54.1 million left on his deal, plus a 15 percent trade kicker — they could use the stretch provision on the 33-year-old fading star.

The Post detailed earlier this month that using the provision would free Anthony and reduce his cap hit, giving the Knicks an extra $15.4 million of space to spend this summer in free agency, which begins July 1.

[F N 11]

Why do people play sports? I trash guys like Lebron and Kd. However, I see now all they wanted to do was win that chip. Even if they did it the easy way thats what they ultimately wanted to achieve.

[NOOB77]

His boss game him the option in his is going to exercise. The boss then can't blame the employee for exercising the option he gave him in the first place. The fans should be mad at the boss who did a terrible job and gave the employee the option in his contract.

But Melo should of done what he told his boss he was going to do which is to change his game to play in his boss' system which he didn't do. If he would of told his boss that he wasn't going to do it then maybe his boss wouldn't have given him not only the NTC but the contract all together.

Maybe the boss shouldn't keep changing his system. Melo changed his game well and led the team with points rebounds and assists. And the triangle was working well with Fisher. Then we moved away from it as the entire system. Then Fired Fisher went back with Rambis and the triangle. Then hired Horny and went away from triangle. Then decided to go back to it.....

Maybe Phil should be more sure about his system and others will have the same faith in it. Instead of going back and forth

[Knox]

People forget STAT.

Its such a **** joke. Phoenix was NEVER going to give him more then 3 years. And this was coming after he put up 23.1 and 8.9 on 56% FG on 15.4 FGA. I just don't get it. Was STAT that much of a good soldier that people seem to forget it was impossible to get Melo the help he needed because Amare's Knees ate up our cap space. People have never vibed with Melo. Not from the jump. This **** is music to their ears. Everyone still pissed about the assets we gave up to get Melo. I am still pissed about Amare's salary all those years.

Amare's contract did us in way more than anything we traded to get Melo

Granted but Amare at least fit the system we were trying to build.. We wasted 2 or 3 seasons in building an Antoni style offense the minute we picked him up. Antoni said lets trade Melo for a Guard to keep this thing going and Dolan ( AGAIN) sided with Melo. We have catered to this guy with no success.