Offseason Thread - So Begins The Lesser Offseason - Well... After Kawhi Decides

[dakomish23]

They traded for D’Angelo Russell too. If they don’t like the fit when Klay gets back, they should be able to move him for other pieces pretty easily (assuming his play doesn’t fall off a cliff this year).

Probably to MIN for Covington and Teague is my guess.

I could see it. Maybe a protected 1st from Minnesota if GS balks

That defense with Green Klay Covington Looney would be nuts.

MIN reboots with KAT DLo Culver.

Both teams win

[HEZI]

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[Triple C]

[GEOLINK]

Nice to have alpha males on the team.

[KnixinSix]

What do you guys think about going after Westbrook? Is this a move you make this season? I'm torn. If he attracts other guys here and moves the needle I'm all for it. The contracts we signed guys to allow us great flexibility both for trades and clearing cap space.

[Traveyknicks23]

You got the picks and assets to do it so

I’m cool with either Beal or Westbrook but I refuse to get my hopes up again

[K_ick_God]

Everybody talking about how the Clippers picked up that pick for taking Harkless. But they turned right around and traded a truckload of picks shortly thereafter -- and I think made the right move.

[Chanel Bomber]

What do you guys think about going after Westbrook? Is this a move you make this season? I'm torn. If he attracts other guys here and moves the needle I'm all for it. The contracts we signed guys to allow us great flexibility both for trades and clearing cap space.

Russ is my favorite player in the league after Steph.

No way do I want him on the Knicks. He's delusional and a trainwreck.

[Isiahthomass]

What do you guys think about going after Westbrook? Is this a move you make this season? I'm torn. If he attracts other guys here and moves the needle I'm all for it. The contracts we signed guys to allow us great flexibility both for trades and clearing cap space.

I love the way Russ plays. He's a throwback. I cringe at the thought of him and Portis being in the same locker room, though.

That being said, I think he'd immediately shift things for the team, he wants to win.

[Cookies4Life]

Dude you have to go all in on westbrook if you can.

As long as we keep knox,mitch and rj its worth it imo.

You do know RW is over 30 years old and has 4 more years on his contract that pay close to 40 million per year, right?

They- meaning OKC- would have to attach assets to get rid of him at this juncture. No one is going to take his contract without picks from OKC being attached, not the other way around.

Now if Russell was 24 years old and making 20 million a year, than I can see your trade proposal making some sense.

[nyk2017]

Dude you have to go all in on westbrook if you can.

As long as we keep knox,mitch and rj its worth it imo.

You do know RW is over 30 years old and has 4 more years on his contract that pay close to 40 million per year, right?

They- meaning OKC- would have to attach assets to get rid of him at this juncture. No one is going to take his contract without picks from OKC being attached, not the other way around.

Now if Russell was 24 years old and making 20 million a year, than I can see your trade proposal making some sense.

If Russell was 24 years old, they would be building around him not trading him.

[robillionaire]

Dude you have to go all in on westbrook if you can.

As long as we keep knox,mitch and rj its worth it imo.

You do know RW is over 30 years old and has 4 more years on his contract that pay close to 40 million per year, right?

They- meaning OKC- would have to attach assets to get rid of him at this juncture. No one is going to take his contract without picks from OKC being attached, not the other way around.

Now if Russell was 24 years old and making 20 million a year, than I can see your trade proposal making some sense.

I’d take Westbrook and some picks attached tbh.

[Cookies4Life]

Dude you have to go all in on westbrook if you can.

As long as we keep knox,mitch and rj its worth it imo.

You do know RW is over 30 years old and has 4 more years on his contract that pay close to 40 million per year, right?

They- meaning OKC- would have to attach assets to get rid of him at this juncture. No one is going to take his contract without picks from OKC being attached, not the other way around.

Now if Russell was 24 years old and making 20 million a year, than I can see your trade proposal making some sense.

If Russell was 24 years old, they would be building around him not trading him.

I'm well aware of that. The poster was mentioning giving up 2 or 3 of our young players plus 3 first round picks for Westbrook.

I was responding to his trade proposal, I'm well aware that a 24 year old RW wouldn't get shopped around unless it was for a major haul, like the one the poster I was responding to was hypothesizing. Thanks.

[KnixinSix]

What do you guys think about going after Westbrook? Is this a move you make this season? I'm torn. If he attracts other guys here and moves the needle I'm all for it. The contracts we signed guys to allow us great flexibility both for trades and clearing cap space.

Russ is my favorite player in the league after Steph.

No way do I want him on the Knicks. He's delusional and a trainwreck.

Remember the quote by Kleinman the day after Durant's injury.

He said something very important that gave us behind the scenes insight. He said 'the ENTIRE NBA landscape has changed.' Why? He knew this injury was going to change where mutliple players went.

Also Silver said the day of the Super Team is going away. Why? I strongly believe the NBA is doing all in its power to maximize ratings. That means better elite talent distribution but amongst the major city teams. If you look almost all the major city teams have at least 1 elite guy and many have 2 now. And yes we were very likely getting KD until the hamstring happened. I dont think Silver wanted Kawhi in LAL because that now makes them essentially the next Warriors for the next 2-3 years . I do believe the NBA is 'nudging' these guys behind the scenes.

The teams we now have are almost picture perfect for greatest competition and hope in every major city.

And I'm betting with the types of extremely favorable contracts we just handed out we will trade for a marquis guy or sign another marquis guy in the offseason (or maybe both). The league wants the Knicks to be good.

[Richard4444]

This doesn't help the Knicks with the Mavs picks because now the Thunder are going to fall out of the playoffs so welp

and the clippers wouldn't have been a playoff team without Kawhi so not sure it matters. And we have no idea what the west will look like in a year...we don't own the mavs pick next year...its the 2021 pick.

GSW
Clippers
Lakers
Utah
Denver
Portland
Rockets

all those are pretty much locks now.

1 spot for the rest of the crew.

I dont think they are locked as playoff teams.

GSW: Klay must be back only after ASG and in unknown condition. Without Klay, Durant and Iguodala, they loose a lot in wing defense. Curry have missed almost 30% of his regular season games past 2 seasons with ankle injuries. Draymond is not a reliable star. Besides, currently they dont have much depth.

Lakers: their game is too dependent of 2 superstar. They dont have any depth. The first has 35 years old. The second always miss games due to small injuries.

Portland: Little, Whiteside and Bazemore could be better complementary players to Lillard, McCollum and Nurkic. However, the team have lost 7 rotational players. Aminu (Magic), Harkless (Clippers), Layman (Wolves), M.Leonard (Heat), E.Turner (Atlanta), Seth Curry (Dallas) e Kanter (Boston). Its almost a entire new roster. The fit could take time. Nurckic will only return in 2020 and in unknown conditions.

Rockets: Its too Harden dependent. There are rumors about a feud between Harden and Paul. I think the others players didnt like the trades talks. Their success is not a safe bet.

Sacramento: They improved their depth with Ariza, Deadmon, Holmes and Joseph. The young core should evolve. And Barnes should be more integrated in the teams system.

Dallas: Doncic and KP are a wildcard double. Its risky to bet in a sophomore and a injury prone guy. But they have a lot of potencial.

[The_Special_One]

Knicks can't trade for Westbrook right now. Earlier we can deal is december, I guess.

However, I have a weird feeling Harden may become available if things go south in Houston later in season. That's the one we should target before Russ.

[ADeP7]

You don’t trade for Westbrook unless it’s dirt cheap to acquire him. You have no flexibility to sign people outright after acquiring him.

If it were something simple like. Dennis Smith frank and mavs pick and a lotto protected Knicks pick in ‘23. Then ok. Maybe I’d bite

He just doesn’t fit the timeline. Costs a lot of money. Then costs a lot to acquire.

You want trade targets that fit the timeline. Wait for Beal , Devin booker , oladipo to ask out.

My guess is booker asks out this year and Id expect knicks to target him

[3eePointGoal]

I'm a big russ fan... he plays w grit... the contract is the problem.

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[KnixinSix]

What do you guys think about going after Westbrook? Is this a move you make this season? I'm torn. If he attracts other guys here and moves the needle I'm all for it. The contracts we signed guys to allow us great flexibility both for trades and clearing cap space.

I love the way Russ plays. He's a throwback. I cringe at the thought of him and Portis being in the same locker room, though.

That being said, I think he'd immediately shift things for the team, he wants to win.

Russ is younger than KD and not coming off a major injury . He should still have about 4 prime years left.

He also really helped George have a ridiculous year and averaged a triple double for the season. That's insane.

[Tornelyus]

i'd rather have russ than portis, payton and randle. ****.

no way you can get rid of almost all them next year...Russ u are stuck with him declining

With all due respect, declining Russ is carrying his team to playoffs in 3 straight years with triple double averaged seasons. Say it stat padding, he is still better than any of our rebounders or playmakers in the last decade (maybe, probably longer). Who was the last Knicks with 20+point and 10+asisst? Or who was the last one with 10+ assist? I'm not so sure but maybe we need to go back to Tim Hardaway or even further back to Sugar Ray Richardson. Last 20+point and 10+rebound guy? David Lee (on a 20something win season) 9-10 years ago and Ewing before him. Even in his decline, I cannot name better 3 PG in eastern conference.


Regarding his huge contract, if Randle does not pan out, same sweetener to ship his 20+mil contract would be sufficient to get rid of Russ' contract also. (I am afraid that Fiz will experiment some idiot stuff with Randle on the 3, given our PG shooting and playmaking, it can turn pretty ugly very quickly with AnyPG-RJ-Randle-Portis-Mitch lineup). There will always be a market for ex-MVP.
We acquired Portis, Payton and Randle with cap space (and who did we outbid is still a question mark), without any other proven piece on roster it is not be smart to trade draft picks. If he comes cheap before the trade deadline, I'd pull the trigger, maybe adding DSJr to the mentioned bunch.