ChaosHamster wrote:Melo has value![]()
I wonder why they aren't getting THAT VALUE BACK FOR HIM.
DID you see what Indiana got for PG? Allstar Caliber guys rarely bring back fair value
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ChaosHamster wrote:Melo has value![]()
I wonder why they aren't getting THAT VALUE BACK FOR HIM.
GONYK wrote:NYKnicksTAPE wrote:Are We Ther Yet wrote:
You pay to move a salary dump. Not a smart risk to take at all. It's literally the worst thing we could do. It is a bad contract no matter how many years are left. We don't need him at all. He would be exponentially worse for a rebuild than an expiring Melo next year. Horrible idea.
How many teams are attaching assets to move an expiring contract? How would he be exponentially worse for a rebuild than Melo next year? Explain.
We don't need Melo here either, and we clearly don't want him. Anderson also wouldn't come with all the distractions and extra dysfunction that having Melo on the roster for the next 2 years would. He wouldn't take touches away from KP and Timmy like Melo would. The organization could finally just move on and focus on developing the young core and building a culture. I would definitely take Ryan Anderson and a 1st over Melo opting in and being here for 2 more years. I would take 2 years of Anderson and then trying to deal him as an expiring plus a 1st over 2 years of Melo and the distractions, dysfunction, and circus environment that him still being here could cause.
This is all rationalization for moving an asset at a loss.
If Houston wants him, Houston needs to pay. It should be that simple.
Melo's value far exceeds Anderson and a 1st.
What is the rush to move him? It's not like he's hated the locker room.
We need to move Melo because we're afraid Isola will write mean things?
Melo will play the way we want him to, or he won't play big minutes. Guys want to make a bad deal instead of exerting proper organizational management.
NYKnicksTAPE wrote:Are We Ther Yet wrote:NYKnicksTAPE wrote:my stance is that I would rather have Anderson and a 1st than Melo opting in and just buying him out like that other poster said in his scenario
Melo has little value, the Clippers weren't offering much of anything for him, and neither were the Cavs. The Rockets aren't either. What are u really expecting to get for him realistically?
I for one would like this Melo situation to get resolved soon so that we can just move on and start a new chapter. I love Melo, but I'm tired of this Melo drama every season, I really am. I want the focus to be on the young guys, not whether Melo's staying or going and all that other nonsense.
Melo opting in here and then just buying him out like the other poster said is also a bad move IMO. At least with Ryno and a 1st you're getting something of value with the 1st even if it's not much, and u don't have to deal with any distractions that Melo still being here would cause.
You would take a late first to add 42 million to your payroll? I hate the drama too...but...buying out Melo would SAVE money and that's way more important than a weak pick.
Melo has value...He just had 2 team list and now 1 team...that don't have anything to offer! Melo would expand his list before staying here. He's just trying to get to Houston. When that seems unlikely....he will expand his list. He's not going to want to deal with the media. The media distraction will be HIS problem because he's choosing money over winning. He doesn't need to ever play again and he would never need another penny for as long as he and his grandchildrens grand children live.
If he wants to win and enjoy playing...he'll opt out next year or expand his list.
Either way...in no circumstance is Ryno and a 1st a good trade. It's Bargnani bad.
2 years of Anderson and then trying to move him plus a late 1st over 2 years of Melo and him being a distraction...I'll take Anderson
I don't want the young guys to have to deal with this situation for 2 more years. That's the just the way I see it. I'm tired of this sh*t. Am I saying that it's a good deal, no, but I don't see any good deal out there to be had. Melo expanding his list or opting out next summer (I don't think he would) are different stories, but I'm just commenting on your initial scenario of Melo opting in and then we buy him out. I would take Ryno and a 1st over that scenario. I really want this to be done with before training camp starts or at least by the start of the regular season. Enough of this every season.
GONYK wrote:NYKnicksTAPE wrote:Are We Ther Yet wrote:
You pay to move a salary dump. Not a smart risk to take at all. It's literally the worst thing we could do. It is a bad contract no matter how many years are left. We don't need him at all. He would be exponentially worse for a rebuild than an expiring Melo next year. Horrible idea.
How many teams are attaching assets to move an expiring contract? How would he be exponentially worse for a rebuild than Melo next year? Explain.
We don't need Melo here either, and we clearly don't want him. Anderson also wouldn't come with all the distractions and extra dysfunction that having Melo on the roster for the next 2 years would. He wouldn't take touches away from KP and Timmy like Melo would. The organization could finally just move on and focus on developing the young core and building a culture. I would definitely take Ryan Anderson and a 1st over Melo opting in and being here for 2 more years. I would take 2 years of Anderson and then trying to deal him as an expiring plus a 1st over 2 years of Melo and the distractions, dysfunction, and circus environment that him still being here could cause.
This is all rationalization for moving an asset at a loss.
If Houston wants him, Houston needs to pay. It should be that simple.
Melo's value far exceeds Anderson and a 1st.
What is the rush to move him? It's not like he's hated the locker room.
We need to move Melo because we're afraid Isola will write mean things?
Melo will play the way we want him to, or he won't play big minutes. Guys want to make a bad deal instead of exerting proper organizational management.
KnickLeDime wrote:NYKnicksTAPE wrote:Are We Ther Yet wrote:
You would take a late first to add 42 million to your payroll? I hate the drama too...but...buying out Melo would SAVE money and that's way more important than a weak pick.
Melo has value...He just had 2 team list and now 1 team...that don't have anything to offer! Melo would expand his list before staying here. He's just trying to get to Houston. When that seems unlikely....he will expand his list. He's not going to want to deal with the media. The media distraction will be HIS problem because he's choosing money over winning. He doesn't need to ever play again and he would never need another penny for as long as he and his grandchildrens grand children live.
If he wants to win and enjoy playing...he'll opt out next year or expand his list.
Either way...in no circumstance is Ryno and a 1st a good trade. It's Bargnani bad.
2 years of Anderson and then trying to move him plus a late 1st over 2 years of Melo and him being a distraction...I'll take Anderson
I don't want the young guys to have to deal with this situation for 2 more years. That's the just the way I see it. I'm tired of this sh*t. Am I saying that it's a good deal, no, but I don't see any good deal out there to be had. Melo expanding his list or opting out next summer (I don't think he would) are different stories, but I'm just commenting on your initial scenario of Melo opting in and then we buy him out. I would take Ryno and a 1st over that scenario. I really want this to be done with before training camp starts or at least by the start of the regular season. Enough of this every season.
Then you keep him and either he opts out after this year, he has an opt-out or he becomes an expiring. Making a deal just to make a deal is dumb.

NYKnicksTAPE wrote:KnickLeDime wrote:NYKnicksTAPE wrote:2 years of Anderson and then trying to move him plus a late 1st over 2 years of Melo and him being a distraction...I'll take Anderson
I don't want the young guys to have to deal with this situation for 2 more years. That's the just the way I see it. I'm tired of this sh*t. Am I saying that it's a good deal, no, but I don't see any good deal out there to be had. Melo expanding his list or opting out next summer (I don't think he would) are different stories, but I'm just commenting on your initial scenario of Melo opting in and then we buy him out. I would take Ryno and a 1st over that scenario. I really want this to be done with before training camp starts or at least by the start of the regular season. Enough of this every season.
Then you keep him and either he opts out after this year, he has an opt-out or he becomes an expiring. Making a deal just to make a deal is dumb.
my dude, I've clearly stated that I would take Ryno and a 1st over the scenario of Melo opting in next summer...not over him opting out next summer
I don't want to deal with this Melo situation for 2 years, that's where I'm at at this point...it's cool if people disagree
KnickLeDime wrote:My opinion is that Melo will eventually open up his list and will get traded to Portland. They have some nice young All-Star talent and he will make them better.

WajaBawl wrote:Yeah had to post it. I can't say anything about this McIntyre guy though, y'all know him?


ChaosHamster wrote:GONYK wrote:NYKnicksTAPE wrote:my stance is that I would rather have Anderson and a 1st than Melo opting in and just buying him out like that other poster said in his scenario
Melo has little value, the Clippers weren't offering much of anything for him, and neither were the Cavs. The Rockets aren't either. What are u really expecting to get for him realistically?
I for one would like this Melo situation to get resolved soon so that we can just move on and start a new chapter. I love Melo, but I'm tired of this Melo drama every season, I really am. I want the focus to be on the young guys, not whether Melo's staying or going and all that other nonsense.
Melo opting in here and then just buying him out like the other poster said is also a bad move IMO. At least with Ryno and a 1st you're getting something of value with the 1st even if it's not much, and u don't have to deal with any distractions that Melo still being here would cause.
Would you trade Melo for Noah/Deng/Mozgov and a very late 1st? It's is essentially the same deal.
Wtf? Anderson just scored 14 points shooting 40% from three as a big man.. Like cmon.
Yeah, he is overpaid and he contract is too long. But he at least can contribute to a winning basketball.
Like some where saying. He could easily be moved in his 3rd year, if he stays close to a player he is now.

ChaosHamster wrote:K-DOT wrote:ChaosHamster wrote:
Exactly.
What value does he have, if he is only willing to go to a one team, that doesn't even want him that much (judging by offers flouting around), or just doesn't want to pay anything significant because they know they are the only bidders.
Melo on the open market would be a completely different story.
And Anderson on the open market needs to be packaged with 2 firsts
Melo has little value cause he only can be traded to the Rockets. Anderson has negative value
Two 1st is a crazy talk. Crabbe just god unloaded for a 6mil dump in. Yeah, Crabbe is younger, but he is worse than Anderson.
Mozgov got packaged with a top2 pick, but the Lakers also got 20ppg center back. And Mozgov averaged 6 and 4 in his last two years..
And why do we even talk about hypothetical open market for Melo? There isn't one.
And Rockets aren't gonna just unload Anderson. Why should they? He is still helping them win, but they are gonna give him away and pay two 1st for it?
god shammgod wrote:we better not be taking back leonard, that's not much better
Dantares wrote:god shammgod wrote:we better not be taking back leonard, that's not much better
I agree but I won't be pissed if we have to take back leonard if it comes along with a first round pick. so if we need to move his contract later we can use that pick to move it.