Offseason Thread Continued - Atlanta Got Crabbes and We're Panicking

[robillionaire]

I offer Durant

2 years fully guarantee, prior to year 3 Knicks have option to fully guarantee the last 2 years. Durant gets a player option in year 4.

If you insult KD with a contract like this, he won't come. Plenty of other teams will guarantee his contract like nothing happened. And so will James Dolan

So then he doesn’t have to come and can hobble somewhere else then, no big deal

[thebuzzardman]

IF the Knicks knew Kawhi was coming, building around him and AD, even if enough assets went out for AD, is a great play, because both are 26, entering prime prime, and good for 4 years, if not extensions for a couple more years after that (maybe)

But AD was always a maybe - it's a trade.
Kawhi is a total wildcard.

Durant was different. Minus those accusations being leveled about "entitled" Knick fans in another topic, there was STRONG smoke he was coming here.

Now the Knicks are just another team with their fingers crossed, only with a perception of being awful for 20 years they still can't shake.

Lost my enthusiasm for the off season last night. Sure, I'll pay attention. Speculate a little. But it's different now. Anyone who doesn't see that is being a little bit foolish.

Which is why I think (again, qualifier being if it really is an achilles rupture) that we're out of the AD race. Pels want it done before the draft, now that KD's situation has changed, it's not worth the risk for us to trade for him and potentially end up stuck with no other guys to put next to him

Now, if he isn't traded before free agency and Kawhi signs with us, that's a different story. Or maybe Pills want to do the classic Knicks maneuver of trading for the star first, trying to use him to sign other stars, failing, and ending up signing 2nd tier guys to a gutted roster

Kleinman said "The ENTIRE NBA landscape has changed". He doesn't say that just about the Knicks having an uptick in quality if KD joined them.
He KNEW KD to the Knicks mean another guy coming. That at LEAST the landscape changed via the Knicks. He may know more, or he could be speculating, but he probably sees the dominoes fall in Kyrie now a lock to the Nets (if he wasn't already, granted), AD to Knicks no longer a thing, in fact, LA a thing, etc.

I think that was the sound of a man seeing the aspects of 3+ teams changing at once.

Of course, only the Knicks for the worse.

[Jeffrey]

IF the Knicks knew Kawhi was coming, building around him and AD, even if enough assets went out for AD, is a great play, because both are 26, entering prime prime, and good for 4 years, if not extensions for a couple more years after that (maybe)

But AD was always a maybe - it's a trade.
Kawhi is a total wildcard.

Durant was different. Minus those accusations being leveled about "entitled" Knick fans in another topic, there was STRONG smoke he was coming here.

Now the Knicks are just another team with their fingers crossed, only with a perception of being awful for 20 years they still can't shake.

Lost my enthusiasm for the off season last night. Sure, I'll pay attention. Speculate a little. But it's different now. Anyone who doesn't see that is being a little bit foolish.

Achilles from what I understand is certainly not career threatening. Dr.Chao the guy who broke this thing on the net said it shouldn't affect his FA. Kawhi with a more mysterious injury was traded for when not fully healed and it worked out pretty well.

Well then you need to read up more

Players don't just come back from achilles, Nique is the lone example of a player being what he was before the injury after it. Even if he comes back and is good, he's not gonna be the same KD. Kawhi's injury being mysterious helped because nobody knew what it was, so you can take the risk it's something to come back from which it was, but an achilles tear is quantifiable, we know how bad it is

The Dr. Chao guy said if it was only a partial tear it shouldn't affect his free agency, because a partial tear you can come back from but it's still really risky because the potential to re-tear it (fully this time) is much higher. Full tear, there's no getting back from that

KD - full tear Achillies
KL - mystery injury
KI - assortment of injuries
AD - assortment of injuries

I'm so deflated. I knew that we had a chance with a big 3 but injury was a major flag. Now, I don't see how the Knicks should be players on the FA market. I think the Knicks should just trade with teams if they want to unload a big contract. See ATL/BKN trade, that's my expectation. 2 first rounders to unload your cra.p contract.

Biyombo
#12 2019 pick
2021 top 5 protected

for


#55 2nd round pick

[Fat Kat]

Read on Twitter

[thebuzzardman]

Some fans here still in the denial stage. Others have moved onto acceptance. Couple of folks still angry.

I'm trying to break through to the "This sh*t is actually comical" stage.

[thebuzzardman]

Read on Twitter

Rich Kleinman going from hero to goat in 1.5 seconds.

[KnixinSix]

IF the Knicks knew Kawhi was coming, building around him and AD, even if enough assets went out for AD, is a great play, because both are 26, entering prime prime, and good for 4 years, if not extensions for a couple more years after that (maybe)

But AD was always a maybe - it's a trade.
Kawhi is a total wildcard.

Durant was different. Minus those accusations being leveled about "entitled" Knick fans in another topic, there was STRONG smoke he was coming here.

Now the Knicks are just another team with their fingers crossed, only with a perception of being awful for 20 years they still can't shake.

Lost my enthusiasm for the off season last night. Sure, I'll pay attention. Speculate a little. But it's different now. Anyone who doesn't see that is being a little bit foolish.

Which is why I think (again, qualifier being if it really is an achilles rupture) that we're out of the AD race. Pels want it done before the draft, now that KD's situation has changed, it's not worth the risk for us to trade for him and potentially end up stuck with no other guys to put next to him

Now, if he isn't traded before free agency and Kawhi signs with us, that's a different story. Or maybe Pills want to do the classic Knicks maneuver of trading for the star first, trying to use him to sign other stars, failing, and ending up signing 2nd tier guys to a gutted roster

Kleinman said "The ENTIRE NBA landscape has changed". He doesn't say that just about the Knicks having an uptick in quality if KD joined them.
He KNEW KD to the Knicks mean another guy coming. That at LEAST the landscape changed via the Knicks. He may know more, or he could be speculating, but he probably sees the dominoes fall in Kyrie now a lock to the Nets (if he wasn't already, granted), AD to Knicks no longer a thing, in fact, LA a thing, etc.

I think that was the sound of a man seeing the aspects of 3+ teams changing at once.

Of course, only the Knicks for the worse.

One of the few ways this is salvageable for next year is if we somehow land Kawhi and a 2nd max (either AD via trade or someone else).

Or we still sign KD keep all the picks and punt again next year with an eye on the next few years after that.

Or if KD still wants to really come here you sign him as a one year deal. Check his rehab and then sign him to a max going over the cap next year. If he signs a 'cheaper' 1 year deal it would allow us to trade for AD and sign a 2nd max.

[Fury]

Question for the RealMDs here, but once Durant went down the first time, was this an only a matter of time thing? Or with months of rest, would have healed completely?

[blumatic]

I hate to see this for KD. But I feel most injuries are inevitable it's just ba matter of when. Could you imagine this happening on Christmas day in a Knicks uniform.

We're not good enough for any of our players to get hurt and hope for a playoff run.

These superstars all have wear and tear and bare too busy chasing a legacy.

Keep young core sign competitive vets to short term deals.

I've always felt building within was the best move. Bad teams shouldn't commit large cap space to free agents. Too risky.

[DOT]

Question for the RealMDs here, but once Durant went down the first time, was this an only a matter of time thing? Or with months of rest, would have healed completely?

Not a doctor, but I'm fairly sure it wasn't an only a matter of time thing

His original injury was in his calf, had nothing to do with the achilles. So he probably was (unconsciously) moving differently to accommodate his calf not being 100%, which led to him popping the achilles

I mean, it could have happened at any time after this even if he doesn't play, but in my untrained opinion, playing through his injury was definitely a factor here, and it wouldn't've necessarily caused an injury had he healed up

[thebuzzardman]

Knicks could always have gone two max cats and kept most (not all) kids, if no trade for AD

Knicks could have gone (longer stretch) two max cats (signed first) and trade for AD later - three max cats and a young guy or two left over

Knicks fans on RealGM just YESTERDAY got news that AD was coming, via trade BEFORE FA/the draft, which while nice, was a "Two max cats, lots of youth gone", but were pleased that this scenario seemed to maintain Mitch, DSJr and Trier.

That specific dream is dead.
Obviously, the initial "KD & Kryie" which morphed into "KD & ?" which briefly turned into "KD & Kawhi" are dead as well.

Signing two max cats and keeping all (most) of the youth is still technically possible.
It just won't be KD. And probably not AD. If it ever was.

It's disappointing. It went from an offseason with some real (albeit speculative) hope, to being just another team with cap space.

However, the Knicks at least HAVE the cap space, all their picks moving forward and two Mav's picks.

That's not to say the Knicks young guys are suddenly good or anything more than a 25-30 win team, which sucks in the new lottery scheme on the one hand, but also has a shot on the other hand.

It's a gut punch, but Knicks have been worse off, by a lot, many times before.

[god shammgod]

Question for the RealMDs here, but once Durant went down the first time, was this an only a matter of time thing? Or with months of rest, would have healed completely?

they gave him multiple mri's. either they're lying or he would have healed. it's probably a compensation injury.

[KnixinSix]

Which is why I think (again, qualifier being if it really is an achilles rupture) that we're out of the AD race. Pels want it done before the draft, now that KD's situation has changed, it's not worth the risk for us to trade for him and potentially end up stuck with no other guys to put next to him

Now, if he isn't traded before free agency and Kawhi signs with us, that's a different story. Or maybe Pills want to do the classic Knicks maneuver of trading for the star first, trying to use him to sign other stars, failing, and ending up signing 2nd tier guys to a gutted roster

Kleinman said "The ENTIRE NBA landscape has changed". He doesn't say that just about the Knicks having an uptick in quality if KD joined them.
He KNEW KD to the Knicks mean another guy coming. That at LEAST the landscape changed via the Knicks. He may know more, or he could be speculating, but he probably sees the dominoes fall in Kyrie now a lock to the Nets (if he wasn't already, granted), AD to Knicks no longer a thing, in fact, LA a thing, etc.

I think that was the sound of a man seeing the aspects of 3+ teams changing at once.

Of course, only the Knicks for the worse.

One of the few ways this is salvageable for next year is if we somehow land Kawhi and a 2nd max (either AD via trade or someone else).

Or we still sign KD keep all the picks and punt again next year with an eye on the next few years after that.

Or if KD still wants to really come here you sign him as a one year deal. Check his rehab and then sign him to a max going over the cap next year. If he signs a 'cheaper' 1 year deal it would allow us to trade for AD and sign a 2nd max.

We should start to hear some murmurs soon about the Knicks thinking on this. Going all out for Kawhi and AD is may not a bad backup plan (and hope Kawhi would sign with us).

[Stannis]

A big thank you to GS for ruining what would have been the most epic NBA offseason in history.

Ideally, it would be nice if all free agents took their 1 year player options so the Knicks can tank for another year.

[will34]

Folks, it's going continue to be a lifetime of trash. Knox=trash. Frank=trash. DSJ= trash. Mitch is a nice player but he's not a lead scorer. Gotta hope and pray RJ turns into a superstar.

[MaseInYourFace]

This Durant injury should have a domino effect. Knicks should be thinking youth rebuild.

[Stannis]

Folks, it's going continue to be a lifetime of trash. Knox=trash. Frank=trash. DSJ= trash. Mitch is a nice player but he's not a lead scorer. Gotta hope and pray RJ turns into a superstar.

You can tank next year too. So hopefully the ping pong balls are on our side, and we get #1

[KnixinSix]

Question for the RealMDs here, but once Durant went down the first time, was this an only a matter of time thing? Or with months of rest, would have healed completely?

they gave him multiple mri's. either they're lying or he would have healed. it's probably a compensation injury.

From what I understand, we would have had plenty of time in controlled rehab for the whole area to be restrengthened likely back to normal.

[thebuzzardman]

Kleinman said "The ENTIRE NBA landscape has changed". He doesn't say that just about the Knicks having an uptick in quality if KD joined them.
He KNEW KD to the Knicks mean another guy coming. That at LEAST the landscape changed via the Knicks. He may know more, or he could be speculating, but he probably sees the dominoes fall in Kyrie now a lock to the Nets (if he wasn't already, granted), AD to Knicks no longer a thing, in fact, LA a thing, etc.

I think that was the sound of a man seeing the aspects of 3+ teams changing at once.

Of course, only the Knicks for the worse.

One of the few ways this is salvageable for next year is if we somehow land Kawhi and a 2nd max (either AD via trade or someone else).

Or we still sign KD keep all the picks and punt again next year with an eye on the next few years after that.

Or if KD still wants to really come here you sign him as a one year deal. Check his rehab and then sign him to a max going over the cap next year. If he signs a 'cheaper' 1 year deal it would allow us to trade for AD and sign a 2nd max.

We should start to hear some murmurs soon about the Knicks thinking on this. Going all out for Kawhi and AD is may not a bad backup plan (and hope Kawhi would sign with us).

Absolutely agree abot Kawhi, it's just he's so damn different, anything could happen. He's like next level Lebron. Keeping everyone guessing but this time it's also HIMSELF who doesn't know too.

[ny-n-md]

This offseason we will continue the trend of signing former lottery picks.




























Dragan Bender will be maxed out.