OT: Cops kill George Floyd

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Not only should she get her pension back (19 years and screwed for doing the right thing?!) but she should GET some MORE money (maybe donate it to victims of police violence?)

Pension back, and be paid for her wrongful dismissal.

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[Pointgod]

Watching the charging documents press conference for the Brooks case right now. A lot of the “If you resist, you should get shot crowd” are going to be big mad.

[kane]

they are throwing the book at garrett, i didn't know he kicked brooks after he shot him this guy is going down

[SelbyCobra]

they are throwing the book at garrett, i didn't know he kicked brooks after he shot him this guy is going down

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[GONYK]

they are throwing the book at garrett, i didn't know he kicked brooks after he shot him this guy is going down

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[GONYK]

I think we all have to remember that police unions are still a thing. Just because they aren't beating their chests about it now like they usually do, doesn't mean they aren't working their levers of power in the background.

Getting a conviction on this will be uphill.

[E-Balla]

But what does burning down a Wendy's accomplish?

Before Atlanta burnt down he wouldn't have even got paid leave. He'd be patrolling right now.

[Jkam31]

The DA is trying his case to the press and will be obliterated at trial. Atlanta will be bad when the cop gets off I don’t know what the DA is thinking besides appealing to the crowd to look good.

[SelbyCobra]

But what does burning down a Wendy's accomplish?

Before Atlanta burnt down he wouldn't have even got paid leave. He'd be patrolling right now.

From an interview with Frances Fox Piven, a sociology/polisci professor at The Graduate Center:

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2020/06/frances-fox-piven-protests-movement-racial-justice

Throughout your career, you’ve argued that poor people’s power lies in their capacity for disruption, rather than their ability to work within “the system.” And this uprising has been breathtakingly disruptive. We’ve seen a police precinct and countless cop cars destroyed, statues defaced and toppled, and businesses looted.

I’ve heard some people who support the protests suggest that these acts of property destruction are understandable reactions to police brutality, but not smart political tactics. What would you say to those skeptics?


For a very long time now, people who are sympathetic with movements from below and who study movements from below have drawn the line at violence. There’s been a kind of fetish, almost a sort of religion of nonviolence in movement studies.

There’s a reason for this. Movements are playing to a public, because they interact with electoral politics, which depend on the behavior of mass publics in the voting booth. The public shrinks from violence, especially violence from below.

On top of that, we have these grand movements, like the civil rights movement, that came to be understood and celebrated for their nonviolence, even though that’s not a good analysis of the civil rights movement. There was violence both within the movement and allied with it. The Deacons for Defense, for example, were very important in protecting civil rights protestors. But we choose to forget about that and just like the people who turned the other cheek and spoke Christian sayings in responding to white racism in the South.

That has crippled our analysis, because there’s always been violence associated with mass movements. And there are two important things to be said about that. One is that a lot of the sort of quasi-religious regrets about violence ignore the fact that most of what people decry as violence is property destruction, not violence against persons. That distinction has to be made.

And the other part of what we ignore in the study of movements is that people often have to threaten or exercise violence in order to defend their ability to disrupt social and economic relations by refusing to do what they’re supposed to do.

Look at the history of strikes. There would not have been any strikes without the threat of collective violence by workers who were trying to defend their ability to withdraw their labor by preventing scabs from replacing them. That’s why every mass strike in American history involved physical confrontation at the plant gates, as workers tried to protect their property right in the job from these transgressors who were going to replace them.

We go so far to ignore that. Today, we treat the picket line as a little dance that striking workers do outside their place of employment. They have to keep moving, and they have to be a certain number of inches apart from one another, and it’s all regulated by the dance instructor that is the courts. But the picket line originates as a show of brute force by the workers whose jobs are at stake against the henchmen and other workers who are trying to replace them.

How does that way of narrating historical movements frame our vision of contemporary movements, like the one we’re in now?

Everybody seems to agree that we have to be nonviolent. I think that’s a judgment that has to be made for each movement action. I do agree that the public that we play to doesn’t like violence. But at the same time, the violent capacity of the crowd is an important way of defending its ability to exercise disruptive power.

This movement has been very disruptive. Well, its disruption hasn’t been that of the classical strike. These are crowd disruptions. These are disruptions of our streets and our cities, disruptions of traffic patterns, disruptions of commerce. These are important forms of disruption. We’ve seen that throughout the Global South and especially in Latin America. You have to defend your ability to do that kind of action, and the defense is knitted very closely to the action itself. It’s the crowd’s capacity for violence that is the defense of its ability to shut the city down.

[E-Balla]

The DA is trying his case to the press and will be obliterated at trial. Atlanta will be bad when the cop gets off I don’t know what the DA is thinking besides appealing to the crowd to look good.

The DA is thinking in Fulton county he can easily get 12 people that will give him a guilty verdict especially since according to him the full video is way worse and he even kicked the dead body.

[E-Balla]

Also they already got the partner to turn snitch. He's testifying against him. Turns out pulling out all the stops makes it easier to convict officers. Who would've thought?

[Blockwatcher]

The DA is trying his case to the press and will be obliterated at trial. Atlanta will be bad when the cop gets off I don’t know what the DA is thinking besides appealing to the crowd to look good.

Im sure the lawyers on the board will know better than me on the other charges but the murder is widely agreed by experts as an overcharge. Now... is it possible they want to look good in the court of public appeal while simultaneously know they are letting the cop off the hook by slapping him with this overcharge?

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[robillionaire]

It’s good they were charged but not taking any Ws yet, even the convictions of a few won’t be enough because they would gladly let a few of them fall on their sword if they think that will stop the calls for systemic change. Nope this is not going away

[HarthorneWingo]

The Taser taken by Rayshard had already been used twice and was therefore known by the officer not to be of any danger.

[E-Balla]

It’s good they were charged but not taking any Ws yet, even the convictions of a few won’t be enough because they would gladly let a few of them fall on their sword if they think that will stop the calls for systemic change. Nope this is not going away

Yep. The real change will be seen when someone is charged for a killing that isn't recorded... Breonna Taylor's killers weren't recorded and are still walking the streets. Louisville also didn't have violent protests...

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6 been gone most of the night, 5 (shoutout GSU) too.

Atlanta doesn't seem to be the purge yet. Wow thought cops were the only things keeping us safe from packs of rapists.