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Re: OT: Russia-Ukraine War 

Post#1521 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Mar 22, 2022 1:07 pm

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BKlutch wrote:From the Toronto Star, Interesting correlation between those who are against Ukraine and those who were against Covid vaccines:

    Imposing tougher economic sanctions on Russia
    Vaccinated and Boosted 86%
    Unvaccinated 13%

    In favor of Seizing the assets of Russian oligarchs associated with President Putin
    Vaccinated and Boosted 85%
    Unvaccinated 13%

    Favor Cutting off oil shipments from Russia
    Vaccinated and Boosted 81%
    Unvaccinated 21%

The list contains other categories that seem to break down along the same lines.

https://www.thestar.com/news/investigations/2022/03/19/how-vaccination-status-might-predict-views-on-the-russian-invasion-of-ukraine.html


They watch and listen for what the libtards want and then they just try and tear that down. It's all about "owning the libtards." Completely irrational.


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Re: OT: Russia-Ukraine War 

Post#1522 » by BKlutch » Tue Mar 22, 2022 1:25 pm

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BKlutch wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:Over 250,000 Russians have fled Russia over this war. Most are educated and journalists, etc. Basically, the smart people who would help right Russia's ship. Now they're gone.

Why don't I think they are all going to Missouri and Florida?


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Re: OT: Russia-Ukraine War 

Post#1523 » by Clyde_Style » Tue Mar 22, 2022 1:36 pm

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Clyde_Style wrote:
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They watch and listen for what the libtards want and then they just try and tear that down. It's all about "owning the libtards." Completely irrational.


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Re: OT: Russia-Ukraine War 

Post#1524 » by BKlutch » Tue Mar 22, 2022 2:12 pm

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I start every day with libtard on rye. Delicious


All rye bread making companies are owned by George Soros.


I know. And I toast mine with Jewish Lasers

At least, please quote accurately. That's Jewish Space Lasers.

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Re: OT: Russia-Ukraine War 

Post#1525 » by Clyde_Style » Tue Mar 22, 2022 2:22 pm

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All rye bread making companies are owned by George Soros.


I know. And I toast mine with Jewish Lasers

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Re: OT: Russia-Ukraine War 

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Re: OT: Russia-Ukraine War 

Post#1527 » by dakomish23 » Tue Mar 22, 2022 8:10 pm

Notice how all of a sudden one political party which was praising Putin non stop is now trying to pretend they're anti Russia?

It's so pathetically desperate. I have no idea how their rubes fall for this stuff.
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Re: OT: Russia-Ukraine War 

Post#1528 » by Clyde_Style » Tue Mar 22, 2022 8:34 pm

dakomish23 wrote:Notice how all of a sudden one political party which was praising Putin non stop is now trying to pretend they're anti Russia?

It's so pathetically desperate. I have no idea how their rubes fall for this stuff.


you mean their rubles?
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Re: OT: Russia-Ukraine War 

Post#1529 » by dakomish23 » Tue Mar 22, 2022 9:39 pm

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dakomish23 wrote:Notice how all of a sudden one political party which was praising Putin non stop is now trying to pretend they're anti Russia?

It's so pathetically desperate. I have no idea how their rubes fall for this stuff.


you mean their rubles?


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Re: OT: Russia-Ukraine War 

Post#1530 » by Clyde_Style » Tue Mar 22, 2022 9:46 pm

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dakomish23 wrote:Notice how all of a sudden one political party which was praising Putin non stop is now trying to pretend they're anti Russia?

It's so pathetically desperate. I have no idea how their rubes fall for this stuff.


you mean their rubles?


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Re: OT: Russia-Ukraine War 

Post#1531 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Mar 23, 2022 6:24 am

The beginning of the end for Putin

NY Times:

As Russia Stalls in Ukraine, Dissent Brews Over Putin’s Leadership
Military losses have mounted, progress has slowed, and a blame game has begun among some Russian supporters of the war.

By Anton Troianovski and Michael Schwirtz
March 22, 2022
In January, the head of a group of serving and retired Russian military officers declared that invading Ukraine would be “pointless and extremely dangerous.” It would kill thousands, he said, make Russians and Ukrainians enemies for life, risk a war with NATO and threaten “the existence of Russia itself as a state.”

To many Russians, that seemed like a far-fetched scenario, since few imagined that an invasion of Ukraine was really possible. But two months later, as Russia’s advance stalls in Ukraine, the prophecy looms large. Reached by phone this week, the retired general who authored the declaration, Leonid Ivashov, said he stood by it, though he could not speak freely given Russia’s wartime censorship: “I do not disavow what I said.”

In Russia, the slow going and the heavy toll of President Vladimir V. Putin’s war on Ukraine are setting off questions about his military’s planning capability, his confidence in his top spies and loyal defense minister, and the quality of the intelligence that reaches him. It also shows the pitfalls of Mr. Putin’s top-down governance, in which officials and military officers have little leeway to make their own decisions and adapt to developments in real time.

The failures of Mr. Putin’s campaign are apparent in the striking number of senior military commanders believed to have been killed in the fighting. Ukraine says it has killed at least six Russian generals, while Russia acknowledges one of their deaths, along with that of the deputy commander of its Black Sea fleet. American officials say they cannot confirm the number of Russian troop deaths, but that Russia’s invasion plan appears to have been stymied by bad intelligence.
The lack of progress is so apparent that a blame game has begun among some Russian supporters of the war — even as Russian propaganda claims that the slog is a consequence of the military’s care to avoid harming civilians. Igor Girkin, a former colonel in Russia’s F.S.B. intelligence agency and the former “defense minister” of Russian-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine, said in a video interview posted online on Monday that Russia had made a “catastrophically incorrect assessment” of Ukraine’s forces.

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The failures in Ukraine have started to create fissures within Russian leadership, according to Andrei Soldatov, an author and expert on Russia’s military and security services. The top Russian intelligence official in charge of overseeing the recruitment of spies and diversionary operations in Ukraine has been put under house arrest along with his deputy, Mr. Soldatov said. Even Russia’s defense minister, Sergei K. Shoigu, who vacations with Mr. Putin and has been spoken of as a potential presidential successor, has suffered a loss of standing, according to Mr. Soldatov’s sources.

“It looks like everybody is on edge,” Mr. Soldatov said.

Mr. Soldatov’s claims could not be independently verified, and some independent experts have challenged them. But Mr. Shoigu has not been shown meeting with Mr. Putin in person since Feb. 27, when he and his top military commander, Gen. Valery Gerasimov, sat at the end of a long table as Mr. Putin, on the opposite end, ordered them to place Russia’s nuclear forces at a higher level of readiness.
“The war has shown that the army fights poorly,” Mr. Luzin, the Russian military analyst, said. “The defense minister is responsible for this.”

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Re: OT: Russia-Ukraine War 

Post#1532 » by lloydj » Wed Mar 23, 2022 11:11 am

dakomish23 wrote:Notice how all of a sudden one political party which was praising Putin non stop is now trying to pretend they're anti Russia?

It's so pathetically desperate. I have no idea how their rubes fall for this stuff.


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Re: OT: Russia-Ukraine War 

Post#1533 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Mar 23, 2022 12:25 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:The beginning of the end for Putin



As Russia Stalls in Ukraine, Dissent Brews Over Putin’s Leadership
Military losses have mounted, progress has slowed, and a blame game has begun among some Russian supporters of the war.

By Anton Troianovski and Michael Schwirtz
March 22, 2022
In January, the head of a group of serving and retired Russian military officers declared that invading Ukraine would be “pointless and extremely dangerous.” It would kill thousands, he said, make Russians and Ukrainians enemies for life, risk a war with NATO and threaten “the existence of Russia itself as a state.”

To many Russians, that seemed like a far-fetched scenario, since few imagined that an invasion of Ukraine was really possible. But two months later, as Russia’s advance stalls in Ukraine, the prophecy looms large. Reached by phone this week, the retired general who authored the declaration, Leonid Ivashov, said he stood by it, though he could not speak freely given Russia’s wartime censorship: “I do not disavow what I said.”

In Russia, the slow going and the heavy toll of President Vladimir V. Putin’s war on Ukraine are setting off questions about his military’s planning capability, his confidence in his top spies and loyal defense minister, and the quality of the intelligence that reaches him. It also shows the pitfalls of Mr. Putin’s top-down governance, in which officials and military officers have little leeway to make their own decisions and adapt to developments in real time.

The failures of Mr. Putin’s campaign are apparent in the striking number of senior military commanders believed to have been killed in the fighting. Ukraine says it has killed at least six Russian generals, while Russia acknowledges one of their deaths, along with that of the deputy commander of its Black Sea fleet. American officials say they cannot confirm the number of Russian troop deaths, but that Russia’s invasion plan appears to have been stymied by bad intelligence.
The lack of progress is so apparent that a blame game has begun among some Russian supporters of the war — even as Russian propaganda claims that the slog is a consequence of the military’s care to avoid harming civilians. Igor Girkin, a former colonel in Russia’s F.S.B. intelligence agency and the former “defense minister” of Russian-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine, said in a video interview posted online on Monday that Russia had made a “catastrophically incorrect assessment” of Ukraine’s forces.

*****

The failures in Ukraine have started to create fissures within Russian leadership, according to Andrei Soldatov, an author and expert on Russia’s military and security services. The top Russian intelligence official in charge of overseeing the recruitment of spies and diversionary operations in Ukraine has been put under house arrest along with his deputy, Mr. Soldatov said. Even Russia’s defense minister, Sergei K. Shoigu, who vacations with Mr. Putin and has been spoken of as a potential presidential successor, has suffered a loss of standing, according to Mr. Soldatov’s sources.

“It looks like everybody is on edge,” Mr. Soldatov said.

Mr. Soldatov’s claims could not be independently verified, and some independent experts have challenged them. But Mr. Shoigu has not been shown meeting with Mr. Putin in person since Feb. 27, when he and his top military commander, Gen. Valery Gerasimov, sat at the end of a long table as Mr. Putin, on the opposite end, ordered them to place Russia’s nuclear forces at a higher level of readiness.
“The war has shown that the army fights poorly,” Mr. Luzin, the Russian military analyst, said. “The defense minister is responsible for this.”

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Nothing shooting several thousand military and intelligence types won't solve. Putin just needs to take a page out of the Stalin playbook.
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Re: OT: Russia-Ukraine War 

Post#1534 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Mar 23, 2022 12:33 pm

https://www.balkanstimes.eu/2022/03/23/why-so-many-russian-generals-have-been-killed-in-ukraine-war-2/

President Vladimir Putin might not be admitting it but he’s haemorrhaging generals – and there’s a very stark reason why.

President Vladimir Putin’s generals are getting picked off, one by one.

Six senior commanders have reportedly been killed in the first three weeks of the Ukraine war. And the reasons reveal catastrophic corruption and incompetence at the highest levels.

Unreliable electronics. A burgeoning black market. Subordinates too terrified to make decisions.


I was discussing this with someone. He stated that the Russians have really unreliable encrypted radios, forcing too many of their troops onto Cell phones, where the Ukranians are intercepting the calls and then targeting columns and generals. He figures a sh*t ton of Colonel level types are dead too but that's not making the news.

I figure there is some 5 Eyes help going on feeding intel to the Ukranians, though I'm sure there's a level they can do on their own.

I figure everyone knows what 5 Eyes is, but if not:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes

I should say 5 Eyes + NATO intel
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Re: OT: Russia-Ukraine War 

Post#1535 » by Clyde_Style » Wed Mar 23, 2022 12:35 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:The beginning of the end for Putin



As Russia Stalls in Ukraine, Dissent Brews Over Putin’s Leadership
Military losses have mounted, progress has slowed, and a blame game has begun among some Russian supporters of the war.

By Anton Troianovski and Michael Schwirtz
March 22, 2022
In January, the head of a group of serving and retired Russian military officers declared that invading Ukraine would be “pointless and extremely dangerous.” It would kill thousands, he said, make Russians and Ukrainians enemies for life, risk a war with NATO and threaten “the existence of Russia itself as a state.”

To many Russians, that seemed like a far-fetched scenario, since few imagined that an invasion of Ukraine was really possible. But two months later, as Russia’s advance stalls in Ukraine, the prophecy looms large. Reached by phone this week, the retired general who authored the declaration, Leonid Ivashov, said he stood by it, though he could not speak freely given Russia’s wartime censorship: “I do not disavow what I said.”

In Russia, the slow going and the heavy toll of President Vladimir V. Putin’s war on Ukraine are setting off questions about his military’s planning capability, his confidence in his top spies and loyal defense minister, and the quality of the intelligence that reaches him. It also shows the pitfalls of Mr. Putin’s top-down governance, in which officials and military officers have little leeway to make their own decisions and adapt to developments in real time.

The failures of Mr. Putin’s campaign are apparent in the striking number of senior military commanders believed to have been killed in the fighting. Ukraine says it has killed at least six Russian generals, while Russia acknowledges one of their deaths, along with that of the deputy commander of its Black Sea fleet. American officials say they cannot confirm the number of Russian troop deaths, but that Russia’s invasion plan appears to have been stymied by bad intelligence.
The lack of progress is so apparent that a blame game has begun among some Russian supporters of the war — even as Russian propaganda claims that the slog is a consequence of the military’s care to avoid harming civilians. Igor Girkin, a former colonel in Russia’s F.S.B. intelligence agency and the former “defense minister” of Russian-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine, said in a video interview posted online on Monday that Russia had made a “catastrophically incorrect assessment” of Ukraine’s forces.

*****

The failures in Ukraine have started to create fissures within Russian leadership, according to Andrei Soldatov, an author and expert on Russia’s military and security services. The top Russian intelligence official in charge of overseeing the recruitment of spies and diversionary operations in Ukraine has been put under house arrest along with his deputy, Mr. Soldatov said. Even Russia’s defense minister, Sergei K. Shoigu, who vacations with Mr. Putin and has been spoken of as a potential presidential successor, has suffered a loss of standing, according to Mr. Soldatov’s sources.

“It looks like everybody is on edge,” Mr. Soldatov said.

Mr. Soldatov’s claims could not be independently verified, and some independent experts have challenged them. But Mr. Shoigu has not been shown meeting with Mr. Putin in person since Feb. 27, when he and his top military commander, Gen. Valery Gerasimov, sat at the end of a long table as Mr. Putin, on the opposite end, ordered them to place Russia’s nuclear forces at a higher level of readiness.
“The war has shown that the army fights poorly,” Mr. Luzin, the Russian military analyst, said. “The defense minister is responsible for this.”

-more-


Nothing shooting several thousand military and intelligence types won't solve. Putin just needs to take a page out of the Stalin playbook.


Stalin’s opponents didn’t have this era’s level of spying capabilities. If Putin goes full Stalin he’ll be even more out foxed than he already is
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Re: OT: Russia-Ukraine War 

Post#1536 » by Clyde_Style » Wed Mar 23, 2022 12:44 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:https://www.balkanstimes.eu/2022/03/23/why-so-many-russian-generals-have-been-killed-in-ukraine-war-2/

President Vladimir Putin might not be admitting it but he’s haemorrhaging generals – and there’s a very stark reason why.

President Vladimir Putin’s generals are getting picked off, one by one.

Six senior commanders have reportedly been killed in the first three weeks of the Ukraine war. And the reasons reveal catastrophic corruption and incompetence at the highest levels.

Unreliable electronics. A burgeoning black market. Subordinates too terrified to make decisions.


I was discussing this with someone. He stated that the Russians have really unreliable encrypted radios, forcing too many of their troops onto Cell phones, where the Ukranians are intercepting the calls and then targeting columns and generals. He figures a sh*t ton of Colonel level types are dead too but that's not making the news.

I figure there is some 5 Eyes help going on feeding intel to the Ukranians, though I'm sure there's a level they can do on their own.

I figure everyone knows what 5 Eyes is, but if not:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes

I should say 5 Eyes + NATO intel


Five Eyes had tons of intel documenting backdoor contacts between the Trump campaign/WH and Russian operatives. That dossier is likely in the hands of the DOJ now. Heck, even Portugal picked up communications of that kind too. Lots of Euro countries have spy capabilities to some degree and they are all going to be helping out Ukraine now. Putin is screwed
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Re: OT: Russia-Ukraine War 

Post#1537 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Mar 23, 2022 12:56 pm

We'd all like to think Putin will lose, get replaced, can't win in the Ukraine. I don't believe any of that.

He's the kind of guy who will be all in.
The Russian army might be largely conscript and have issues, but it's a large army with lots of bombs nonetheless.

I figure Putin now sees "winning" outright in the Ukraine won't be easy or fast. This is my guess on the next steps:

Level every Ukraine city.
Raise the misery index there to unprecedented levels.
Cause a humanitarian crises in western Europe, which generally leads to the rise of right wing nationalism and fascism. Win.
Create a huge, destabilized sh*tshow in Ukraine, so it's not a threat militarily or economically for a good 10+ years.
Putin won't have an issue with X number of GI Ivans getting sent home in a bag for 10 years, possibly longer.
Putin hopes that pro Russian lackey can be found to rule over the ruins of Ukraine.


Some variation of this.
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Re: OT: Russia-Ukraine War 

Post#1538 » by Clyde_Style » Wed Mar 23, 2022 3:17 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:We'd all like to think Putin will lose, get replaced, can't win in the Ukraine. I don't believe any of that.

He's the kind of guy who will be all in.
The Russian army might be largely conscript and have issues, but it's a large army with lots of bombs nonetheless.

I figure Putin now sees "winning" outright in the Ukraine won't be easy or fast. This is my guess on the next steps:

Level every Ukraine city.
Raise the misery index there to unprecedented levels.
Cause a humanitarian crises in western Europe, which generally leads to the rise of right wing nationalism and fascism. Win.
Create a huge, destabilized sh*tshow in Ukraine, so it's not a threat militarily or economically for a good 10+ years.
Putin won't have an issue with X number of GI Ivans getting sent home in a bag for 10 years, possibly longer.
Putin hopes that pro Russian lackey can be found to rule over the ruins of Ukraine.


Some variation of this.


You're underestimating the breakdowns in their logistics. The only tank factory in Russia just shut down because they cannot locate parts any longer.

The reason they're bombing the crap out of everything is because their ground forces are dysfunctional and its getting worse by the day. If they are having trouble routing supplies to their troops at some point their strategic placements for launching close and mid-range missiles will be given up as Ukraine recaptures territory. And it will become more and more difficult to route that kind of large ammo into Ukraine in the way it was up to now.

What that leaves is long-range missiles and that is a big fear now.
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Re: OT: Russia-Ukraine War 

Post#1539 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Mar 23, 2022 3:19 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:We'd all like to think Putin will lose, get replaced, can't win in the Ukraine. I don't believe any of that.

He's the kind of guy who will be all in.
The Russian army might be largely conscript and have issues, but it's a large army with lots of bombs nonetheless.

I figure Putin now sees "winning" outright in the Ukraine won't be easy or fast. This is my guess on the next steps:

Level every Ukraine city.
Raise the misery index there to unprecedented levels.
Cause a humanitarian crises in western Europe, which generally leads to the rise of right wing nationalism and fascism. Win.
Create a huge, destabilized sh*tshow in Ukraine, so it's not a threat militarily or economically for a good 10+ years.
Putin won't have an issue with X number of GI Ivans getting sent home in a bag for 10 years, possibly longer.
Putin hopes that pro Russian lackey can be found to rule over the ruins of Ukraine.


Some variation of this.


I’ll take the opposite position:

I don’t believe you can win a war that your soldiers don’t believe in fighting for. Moreover, their losing they’re generals on the ground, etc. The Ukrainians will fight to the last man. Meanwhile, Russians are getting squeezed at home.
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Re: OT: Russia-Ukraine War 

Post#1540 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Mar 23, 2022 3:20 pm

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/biden-heads-europe-russian-offensive-stalled-besieged-mariupol-burns-2022-03-23/

Kremlin veteran quits over Ukraine war and leaves Russia
By Natalia Zinets, Natalie Thomas and Vitalii Hnidiy

LVIV/MYKOLAIV/KHARKIV, Ukraine, March 23 (Reuters) - A veteran aide of President Vladimir Putin has resigned over the Ukraine war and left Russia with no intention to return, two sources said on Wednesday, the first senior official to break with the Kremlin since Putin launched his invasion a month ago.

The Kremlin confirmed that the aide, Anatoly Chubais, had resigned of his own accord. Chubais hung up the phone when contacted by Reuters. The sources did not say where he was.

Chubais was one of the principal architects of Boris Yeltsin's economic reforms of the 1990s and was Putin's boss in the future president's first Kremlin job. He later ran big state businesses under Putin and held political jobs, lately serving as Kremlin special envoy to international organisations.

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