Donovan Mitchell Thread #6 - Something might actually happen in this one!!!!!!

[iLLmatic860]

Honestly I’m losing interest in Spida man. The longer this drags out

[drp07644]

I do wonder whether the Knicks are thinking about SGA seriously. I think OKC would sell for the kind of price that is being talked about for Mitchell.

Yeah let's pivot to SGA. More of a playmaker.

Can help RJ and Brunson get shots.

As soon as we pivot to SGA and reports come out saying what they want, Knicks fans will say we can’t give up on McBride and then demand we pivot back to Mitchell.

[DE FENSE]

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[Jalen Bluntson]

[BKlutch]

Willingness to pass will define what level of success this team achieves this year with or without DM. The one thing about GS that has earned my respect is that even with the greatness of Steph and a great team behind him those guys really find each other. I think our talent level will be sufficient to win any game we play this season, but the level they play at will be based on finding each other.

I’m pretty down on Thibs in general and I don’t really expect him to coach them into a motion offense. He is so enamored of guys who can create and penetrate for themselves that as a coach I think he rarely sees the forest for the trees.

A lot depends on who is available to pass to. WIth Brunson and MItchell, for example, I'd be a willing passer. I would be with Fournier, but he'd have to be in his favorite spot. Maybe Randle will be more efficient if he can't be doubled so much? But we've needed consistently good shooters or scorers. Can't wait to see what this year's lineup will look like.

It also depends on the collective IQ of the players on the floor. Everyone needs to be able to see one move ahead to move like GSW.

If you ever watch tapes of our championship series from the Stone Age, you’ll see exactly that. It’s how a team without the most talented players win it all. Twice.

[mpharris36]

Honestly I’m losing interest in Spida man. The longer this drags out

these are just negotiations unless you just want Leon and Co. to accept Danny Ainge's terms.

The only way to get a better deal is to walk away from the table...if Ainge is willing to use his only other player (because no other team has a package that can rival ours) and keep him into training camp and the season...he is really running the risk of having Mitchell be not happy and go public with it...which will hurt his return.

[nykballa2k4]

This needed its own thread?

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Edit: Didn't even notice the merge. I could have deleted or tweaked my post, but I gotta stand by my errors lol

[iLLmatic860]

Honestly I’m losing interest in Spida man. The longer this drags out

these are just negotiations unless you just want Leon and Co. to accept Danny Ainge's terms.

The only way to get a better deal is to walk away from the table...if Ainge is willing to use his only other player (because no other team has a package that can rival ours) and keep him into training camp and the season...he is really running the risk of having Mitchell be not happy and go public with it...which will hurt his return.

Oh I def love what our front office is doing and not making a panic move like Steve Mills wouldve done by now

I'm just not a fan of the Brunson and Dmitch pairing. Sounds like a disaster defensively. This is just a better version of Kemba and Fournier lol
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[Mister Ed]

A lot depends on who is available to pass to. WIth Brunson and MItchell, for example, I'd be a willing passer. I would be with Fournier, but he'd have to be in his favorite spot. Maybe Randle will be more efficient if he can't be doubled so much? But we've needed consistently good shooters or scorers. Can't wait to see what this year's lineup will look like.

It also depends on the collective IQ of the players on the floor. Everyone needs to be able to see one move ahead to move like GSW.

If you ever watch tapes of our championship series from the Stone Age, you’ll see exactly that. It’s how a team without the most talented players win it all. Twice.

The championship teams were absolutely a pass to the open man unselfish team, but you are selling the talent way too short. Reed and Frazier are in the 50 greatest players of all time, and Deb, Bradley and Monroe are all in the HOF. They had superior talent that played the right way and they played defense. Stone Age, that hurts, I still lovingly refer to it as the Woodstock era.

[stuporman]

The Knicks unquestionably have told Ainge no matter what offer you have for Mitchell from another team call them and they will beat it...a standing offer. The question remains is there a threshold that the other team's offer can get to a point that the Knicks cannot or will not beat it?

There is also another standing offer which is different and that is the package Ainge asks for which will send Mitchell to NY. What the Knicks are offering isn't this so there is this gulf between what the Knicks will offer to beat the last best offer from another team and the one that Ainge wants. Ainge has changed what he will accept before and likely will again.

I have no clue what that gulf is and what the two sides are at I'm just pointing out the obvious stuff. How far apart do people think they are? A pick apart? Or is it just down to protections and swaps? Maybe a player or contracts might be an obstacle?

This had been an interesting off season because it has been less rumors and more reality than previous seasons of fantasy scenarios. I think if the Knicks gets Mitchell it won't matter that they overpaid in the minds of media and certain fans the city would explode on the way to a potential subway series.

The media hype would make it impossible for reality to match it before the season even starts.

It would be pandemonium.

[G_K_F]

We’re in the dog days of summer. Y’all gotta stop doing this to yourselves.

The Knicks will mortgage most of their assets to get Mitchell before the start of training camp. It’s going to happen. And you’ll like it.

Will it be any good in both the short and long term? Probably not but hey at least they’ll be fun to play with in 2K.

[spikeslovechild]

I am going to say this as an ex Knicks fan and someone who went through the isiah and mills eras before throwing in the towel. It doesn't matter what you think the knicks should do it matters what you think they will do.

Are the knicks of all sudden going to be super cautious and slow play things? Is dolan really going to sit back and let Mitchell slip through his fingers? Is danny ainge all of sudden going to lose a trade and give away Mitchell for much less then a kings ransom? We all know the answer to this.

[HighRyzer83]

I do wonder whether the Knicks are thinking about SGA seriously. I think OKC would sell for the kind of price that is being talked about for Mitchell.

Damn good point. Probably half the price and a much better fit

[RHODEY]

I am going to say this as an ex Knicks fan and someone who went through the isiah and mills eras before throwing in the towel. It doesn't matter what you think the knicks should do it matters what you think they will do.

Are the knicks of all sudden going to be super cautious and slow play things? Is dolan really going to sit back and let Mitchell slip through his fingers? Is danny ainge all of sudden going to lose a trade and give away Mitchell for much less then a kings ransom? We all know the answer to this.

The only thing that matters is what the Knicks actually do.

[aggo]

Wolves pre Gobert trade were releasing tons of stories about how KAT wasn't a C and they wanted to pair him iwht a defensive C.


what did they do? Make an offer to Ainge that no one could turn down.


why is this important? because we haven't made an offer that Ainge can turn down.


People for whatever reason think the Knicks have no leverage. What? The Knicks may want DM, but they dont "need" him. DM to Knicks rumor is a consequence of Gobert to Minn. That was the extent of our pursuit of DM.

Ainge is a min/max and spreadsheet guy so he 100% understands that when he made the Gobert trade he is going full Sam Hinkie/Presti and asset collection/tank mode. There is no way Ainge wants to go into the season with DM because he wants to tank. We know Ainge wants to tank because he loves his spreadsheets, analytics, stats, and being a min/max guy.

People can say there's a gulf between the ask/offer but none of that matters. I'll bet Ainge will trade DM 1 day before the season starts. Why? because thats his Modus Operandi.

if you want my real tinfoil: we actually have not had a single credible leak on the trade details. the only leaks we've gotten is "done deal" which means nothing, then we got "Knicks offer picks or kids, but not both" which makes a lot of common sense. otherwise, we haven't heard anything.

so this is my theory: they had an agreement in general terms. e.g. (1 or 2 or 3 of these 4 guys) + ( x picks unprotected) + x swap. Ainge has been sitting on his hands since. OR Ainge did a bait and switch on the Knicks and came back and asked for more, or a completely different deal. Which also makes sense because we did get the "Knicks tell teams RJ is off limits" leak.

[bearadonisdna]

We’re in the dog days of summer. Y’all gotta stop doing this to yourselves.

The Knicks will mortgage most of their assets to get Mitchell before the start of training camp. It’s going to happen. And you’ll like it.

Will it be any good in both the short and long term? Probably not but hey at least they’ll be fun to play with in 2K.

Will they ?
Anybody really playing with a Donovan Mitchell Knicks ?
Wonder how that would work out.

[stuporman]

Oh. here's an interesting angle, how many of you think the Knicks have already reached 'bidding against themselves'' level.

They have exceeded the next best team's offer at least once and not gotten the deal done so they upped it and still no deal?

That is the full on bidding against yourself situation.

Who thinks they are already there ... and still need to up it or no deal. Think the should? Where does that end? Always another ask.

[Knick4Real]

Honestly I’m losing interest in Spida man. The longer this drags out

You'd be an awful negotiator if you seriously lost interest in an asset (ANY asset) only because you were impatient.

It'd be one thing if you lost interest in Spida because of Spida -- but to lose interest because you're tired of waiting??

[thebuzzardman]

I just don't see you guys paying the price Ainge is asking.

What would even be the plan after trading for him anyway? Just giving opponents a free path to the rim every time? It's not like you'd have Gobert back in the paint to mask those mistakes.

Better to just keep all those picks, and either use them or use them sparingly. Like if the Jazz would take Randall and those 3 non-NY firsts, that might make sense.

But, it's not all bad for the Jazz either. Assuming we can move Mitchell to PG full time and bring in a SG with some size.

We will see. I expect this will just go down as one more of Ainge's 'almost' trades.

That's right. We got Brunson in free agency to play the 5 spot

[stuporman]

I just don't see you guys paying the price Ainge is asking.

What would even be the plan after trading for him anyway? Just giving opponents a free path to the rim every time? It's not like you'd have Gobert back in the paint to mask those mistakes.

Better to just keep all those picks, and either use them or use them sparingly. Like if the Jazz would take Randall and those 3 non-NY firsts, that might make sense.

But, it's not all bad for the Jazz either. Assuming we can move Mitchell to PG full time and bring in a SG with some size.

We will see. I expect this will just go down as one more of Ainge's 'almost' trades.

That's right. We got Brunson in free agency to play the 5 spot

Last season:

Gobert in 2120 mins had 137 blocks

Mitchell Robinson in 1848 mins had.... wait for it, 133 blocks.

Hartenstein who just got signed to be the back up center in 1216 mins had...77

There are at least 3936 center mins each season and the Knicks have two guys who in 3064 mins last season had 211 blocks...and almost 3bpg between them.

So what was their point again?