OT: Trump shot at Rally.

[wompwomp]

Please don't straw man what I'm saying. I'm saying that Trump didn't become a 'racist' until he ran for president. His history showed him as someone far more comfortable, social and willing to do business with black people than any other Dem and that includes Barack Obama lol.

noone cared about him cause he was some inconsequential rich white guy that was funny and known to **** around. The scrutiny comes to everyone when you run for public office.

LOL, Trump was an icon and beloved, I would say especially in the black community. Again, this nonsense about him being a racist only happened after he ran. Trump himself was a democrat his whole life and not even what I'd call particularly conservative.

The democrats would be all Nazis if they did and said the same things they did today as they did back then. Can you imagine a Dem being against gay marriage? Well that was Obama in 07. The problem is most people have short memories or are just too wet behind the ears to know any better. Most people here don't even know why they believe what they do. They simply have regurgitated the same phrases verbatim that they've heard on CNN. I've seen it and heard it a thousand times. No depth, no substance, no logic, just feelings.

Thats trump superpower. Hes good at recognizing the bad tendencies of media and manipulating it. Like I said, the scrutiny comes to everyone when you run for public office, especially when its FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. Donald Sterling was owner of the clippers from 1981-2014 and noone cared till he got recorded. I actually think trump is worse than a racist. He just doesnt care either. He's self serving to the core.

I have no idea why you bring up party. And it funny you bring feelings when all i heard from trump supporters is feelings about he looks strong and makes them feel safe. Result wise, his presidency was absolutely horrible.

[Kampuchea]

[Neutral 123]

I’m quoting this just cause I want people to see it. Theres nothing to say to this other than, have a great day.

I'll inform my neighbor that she needs to move.

The step he is missing in his breakdown of gentrification is that its not that white people move in, it's that faceless corporations come in, nullify the rent control, renovate, and triple the rent so that only the yuppies can afford to move in, those people tend to skew white, so the people who were scraping to get by are now unhoused without a safe alternative to go to.

It's not like White Goodman buys a condo, does the whole fixer-upper thing and black people wilt like vampires seeing the light...

How is that me missing anything? You think someone is going to invest millions to improve a place if they can't raise the rent? This is EXACTLY what I said. And it's not 'yuppies' who can afford it, but people who have developed the skills to earn high pay. Production is wealth, and Dems, with the help of the NAACP know that they'll have the blacks at their feet begging for handouts as long as public schools and the apathy towards education remains where it is.

[robillionaire]

No, that made nothing clear. He said that to free some kidnapped sailors. And he certainly wouldn't be the final word on such a thing.

Let's step back and use a bit of logic. A Secular nation wouldn't need to be 'dismantled' and have Christianity removed from government. America would have been founded on secular/socialist principles. You wouldn't have a system with all these checks and balances as these things get in the way of 'making justice'.

Oh and not to mention that there were official state religions. But of course, a bunch of Christians created an atheist nation with values and a legal system antithetical to the values of atheists. Sigh...

Secular democracy with religious freedom isn’t an atheist nation. You’re being dishonest, but I get it, you have to be because your position is abhorrent. I was born here, I’m a citizen, I belong here and to enjoy have rights and freedoms in this country the same as any Christian. You and your political party clearly don’t think that which is why I don’t see you any differently than a taliban fighter

There is no religious freedom if people are being forced to do things that go against their religion. We've been down this road with cakes and such, and the atheists were up in arms. Again, America was founded by Christians, for Christians. As people disobey God, the founders gave us enough rope to hang ourselves. We are free to change America into something totally different.

Let's just acknowledge that is what we would be doing. When someone like Ibram Kendi says that we should have a race ayatollah stand above the constitution to change any law that he deems won't create racial equity, let's just acknowledge that this is something new, something atheist in nature, and antithetical to what America is.

I mean the double talk is strange. On the one hand, America was founded in abhorrent Christian values like racism and slavery, but depending on the mood of the leftist, America becomes a clearly secular nation founded with these wonderful secular/atheist values. Surely we wouldn't have all this work to do to create 'equity' if America was founded on the leftist's conception of equity.

You are flat out lying about the founding of the country. It was not founded exclusively for Christians or exclusively by Christians either. But to skip past the details and get to the center of what you’re really saying when you peddle this lie, is that you think it should be. Only for you and your people. Because you’re a christofascist. I’m actually going to ignore list you because I am not interested in further interactions with you.

[wompwomp]

A few things on that. One, they conveniently omit that Trump was 5 years graduated and his father would have controlled the business, and two, and more illuminating for me is that it makes no sense to assume that racism or hate was behind any difference of treatment.

Whether Fred had any animus towards black people, your can be sure he has a preference for money. So any preference he showed for one group over another would have been based in reputation, past experience or perhaps the biases of other tenants and the need to keep them happy and renting.

But it's sad that this is the best the media has when Donald's whole life has been the exact opposite. I just find the double standard funny.

Biden told a black man to his face that if y'all don't vote for him then you aren't black. Hillary talked down to black people pretending she carries hot sauce on her purse lol. But people are up in arms about Trump? It's really funny and weird at the same time.

Trump was 27 and President of the organization. He wasn't some intern.

Morse says she reported her experience to the Human Rights Commission, and then returned to the apartment building. After she was offered a lease, the black man who had tried to rent the apartment entered the office with a city human rights commissioner, and the three of them confronted the building superintendent.

"He said, 'Well, I'm only doing what my boss told me to do — I am not allowed to rent to black tenants,' " Morse says.

The commissioner asked the building superintendent to take him to his boss. That turned out to be Trump Management.

This is the first BALLBOY I haven't told to STFU and GTFO!! WOMP WOOOOMP!

ha I dont really post like that but after seeing the same talking point on here, I just cant let it slide.

[MrDollarBills]

OT, but per WaPo Biden is set to announce support for legislative changes to the SCOTUS including term limits and an enforceable code of ethics.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/16/biden-supreme-court-reforms/?utm_source=reddit.com

Keep on securing my vote Joe.

[Neutral 123]

noone cared about him cause he was some inconsequential rich white guy that was funny and known to **** around. The scrutiny comes to everyone when you run for public office.

LOL, Trump was an icon and beloved, I would say especially in the black community. Again, this nonsense about him being a racist only happened after he ran. Trump himself was a democrat his whole life and not even what I'd call particularly conservative.

The democrats would be all Nazis if they did and said the same things they did today as they did back then. Can you imagine a Dem being against gay marriage? Well that was Obama in 07. The problem is most people have short memories or are just too wet behind the ears to know any better. Most people here don't even know why they believe what they do. They simply have regurgitated the same phrases verbatim that they've heard on CNN. I've seen it and heard it a thousand times. No depth, no substance, no logic, just feelings.

Thats trump superpower. Hes good at recognizing the bad tendencies of media and manipulating it. Like I said, the scrutiny comes to everyone when you run for public office, especially when its FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. Donald Sterling was owner of the clippers from 1981-2014 and noone cared till he got recorded. I actually think trump is worse than a racist. He just doesnt care either. He's self serving to the core.

I have no idea why you bring up party. And it funny you bring feelings when all i heard from trump supporters is feelings about he looks strong and makes them feel safe. Result wise, his presidency was absolutely horrible.

No no. Sterling was a known weirdo who the players did not like. When he was recorded, that gave enough ammo for the league to force him to sell. That is completely different from Trump who many black people were friends with, did business with and was beloved by the general public.

[Neutral 123]

OT, but per WaPo Biden is set to announce support for legislative changes to the SCOTUS including term limits and an enforceable code of ethics.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/16/biden-supreme-court-reforms/?utm_source=reddit.com

Keep on securing my vote Joe.

A code of ethics, yes, depending on what that really means. Term limits? Not as crazy about. This is far better than expanding the court like the out of control radicals wanted.

[robillionaire]

OT, but per WaPo Biden is set to announce support for legislative changes to the SCOTUS including term limits and an enforceable code of ethics.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/16/biden-supreme-court-reforms/?utm_source=reddit.com

Keep on securing my vote Joe.

Well, we better do it or we won’t have a country anymore. I was on the he should step down and be replaced wagon, but honestly it’s not my fight anymore. Whatever happens will happen, he or whoever else is getting my vote. Or people who are ideologically like the above will come after my family for being the wrong religion. It shouldn’t come as any surprise why I’m not supporting a party that doesn’t think I’m an American or deserve rights

[Jalen Bluntson]

No, that made nothing clear. He said that to free some kidnapped sailors. And he certainly wouldn't be the final word on such a thing.

Let's step back and use a bit of logic. A Secular nation wouldn't need to be 'dismantled' and have Christianity removed from government. America would have been founded on secular/socialist principles. You wouldn't have a system with all these checks and balances as these things get in the way of 'making justice'.

Oh and not to mention that there were official state religions. But of course, a bunch of Christians created an atheist nation with values and a legal system antithetical to the values of atheists. Sigh...

Secular democracy with religious freedom isn’t an atheist nation. You’re being dishonest, but I get it, you have to be because your position is abhorrent. I was born here, I’m a citizen, I belong here and to enjoy have rights and freedoms in this country the same as any Christian. You and your political party clearly don’t think that which is why I don’t see you any differently than a taliban fighter

There is no religious freedom if people are being forced to do things that go against their religion. We've been down this road with cakes and such, and the atheists were up in arms. Again, America was founded by Christians, for Christians. As people disobey God, the founders gave us enough rope to hang ourselves. We are free to change America into something totally different.

Let's just acknowledge that is what we would be doing. When someone like Ibram Kendi says that we should have a race ayatollah stand above the constitution to change any law that he deems won't create racial equity, let's just acknowledge that this is something new, something atheist in nature, and antithetical to what America is.

I mean the double talk is strange. On the one hand, America was founded in abhorrent Christian values like racism and slavery, but depending on the mood of the leftist, America becomes a clearly secular nation founded with these wonderful secular/atheist values. Surely we wouldn't have all this work to do to create 'equity' if America was founded on the leftist's conception of equity.

America was founded by war criminals and slave traders. They committed genocide in the name of Christianity FFS! CONVERT THE SAVAGES OR KILL THEM!! You really are doing worse in your argument with every post. Was it Christian morality that came up with the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882? How about Jim Crow laws? You want hose too? take your Christian morality to church with you on Sunday and leave everyone else alone. Try that for a change.

[Neutral 123]

White supremacy is when you want to gut things like the Fair Housing Act so people can freely discriminate.

Let me ask you something. Why do the KKK, proud boys, neo Nazis and all kinds of racists support Trump if he’s not a white supremacist?

So it's white supremacy for people to associate with who they want? Is it white supremacy if I prefer to have black neighbors? Is it white supremacy if I prefer to have black friends and a black wife? Is that white supremacy? Should I be forced to integrate with the whites if I don't want to?

Respond to what I asked.

Because they don't want America flooded with illegals. A position you don't have to be a white supremacist to agree with.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Trump was 27 and President of the organization. He wasn't some intern.

Morse says she reported her experience to the Human Rights Commission, and then returned to the apartment building. After she was offered a lease, the black man who had tried to rent the apartment entered the office with a city human rights commissioner, and the three of them confronted the building superintendent.

"He said, 'Well, I'm only doing what my boss told me to do — I am not allowed to rent to black tenants,' " Morse says.

The commissioner asked the building superintendent to take him to his boss. That turned out to be Trump Management.

This is the first BALLBOY I haven't told to STFU and GTFO!! WOMP WOOOOMP!

ha I dont really post like that but after seeing the same talking point on here, I just cant let it slide.

Welcome to the party pal!

[MrDollarBills]

OT, but per WaPo Biden is set to announce support for legislative changes to the SCOTUS including term limits and an enforceable code of ethics.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/16/biden-supreme-court-reforms/?utm_source=reddit.com

Keep on securing my vote Joe.

A code of ethics, yes, depending on what that really means. Term limits? Not as crazy about. This is far better than expanding the court like the out of control radicals wanted.

Are you okay with Clarence Thomas accepting millions of dollars in lavish gifts/trips from people whose cases were being heard before the court? Because that's what the code of ethics is referring to.

I am in support of anything that ends the current gerontocracy in our three branches of government.

[wompwomp]

LOL, Trump was an icon and beloved, I would say especially in the black community. Again, this nonsense about him being a racist only happened after he ran. Trump himself was a democrat his whole life and not even what I'd call particularly conservative.

The democrats would be all Nazis if they did and said the same things they did today as they did back then. Can you imagine a Dem being against gay marriage? Well that was Obama in 07. The problem is most people have short memories or are just too wet behind the ears to know any better. Most people here don't even know why they believe what they do. They simply have regurgitated the same phrases verbatim that they've heard on CNN. I've seen it and heard it a thousand times. No depth, no substance, no logic, just feelings.

Thats trump superpower. Hes good at recognizing the bad tendencies of media and manipulating it. Like I said, the scrutiny comes to everyone when you run for public office, especially when its FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. Donald Sterling was owner of the clippers from 1981-2014 and noone cared till he got recorded. I actually think trump is worse than a racist. He just doesnt care either. He's self serving to the core.

I have no idea why you bring up party. And it funny you bring feelings when all i heard from trump supporters is feelings about he looks strong and makes them feel safe. Result wise, his presidency was absolutely horrible.

No no. Sterling was a known weirdo who the players did not like. When he was recorded, that gave enough ammo for the league to force him to sell. That is completely different from Trump who many black people were friends with, did business with and was beloved by the general public.

You latched onto to one thing I said and missed the actual point I was making. Donald Sterling was able to be a owner for 33 years. Why? Noone care enough cause he was rich white guy that made everyone money. The scrutiny comes when you get put out there, whether its being recorded or running for the HIGHEST OFFICE IN THE LAND.

And again, result wise his presidency was absolutely horrible.

[Neutral 123]

Secular democracy with religious freedom isn’t an atheist nation. You’re being dishonest, but I get it, you have to be because your position is abhorrent. I was born here, I’m a citizen, I belong here and to enjoy have rights and freedoms in this country the same as any Christian. You and your political party clearly don’t think that which is why I don’t see you any differently than a taliban fighter

There is no religious freedom if people are being forced to do things that go against their religion. We've been down this road with cakes and such, and the atheists were up in arms. Again, America was founded by Christians, for Christians. As people disobey God, the founders gave us enough rope to hang ourselves. We are free to change America into something totally different.

Let's just acknowledge that is what we would be doing. When someone like Ibram Kendi says that we should have a race ayatollah stand above the constitution to change any law that he deems won't create racial equity, let's just acknowledge that this is something new, something atheist in nature, and antithetical to what America is.

I mean the double talk is strange. On the one hand, America was founded in abhorrent Christian values like racism and slavery, but depending on the mood of the leftist, America becomes a clearly secular nation founded with these wonderful secular/atheist values. Surely we wouldn't have all this work to do to create 'equity' if America was founded on the leftist's conception of equity.

America was founded by war criminals and slave traders. They committed genocide in the name of Christianity FFS! CONVERT THE SAVAGES OR KILL THEM!! You really are doing worse in your argument with every post. Was it Christian morality that came up with the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882? How about Jim Crow laws? You want hose too? take your Christian morality to church with you on Sunday and leave everyone else alone. Try that for a change.

America was founded by good Christian people who, no different from today, were bound by the circumstances they found themselves in. Slavery was a worldwide practice that was ENDED by the British. The British who founded America fought a war to free people who were distinctly different from them. Who does that? Why? You really think today's race hustlers would fight a war to save even 'their own people', let alone 'the enemy'?

This is special behavior. America is a special nation. And still is. We know this because millions flee from their own countries and risk their lives, just to be a part of the greatest nation ever created. Those are the facts. And I can assure you that NO ONE who speaks negatively about America will ever leave. They'll be right here enjoying everything the founders and those that came before created. Ungrateful, but they'll keep eating. I promise you that.

[newyork]

What is a white supremacy value? What does that mean?

That white ppl are superior to non white ppl. So bombing & burning down one of the most successful communities in American history that happen to be predominantly black was within their right. Denying African Americans loans to build up their communities which would generate property taxes that would fund schooling. That they would gladly offer to a white person is within their right.

Let me ask you. If say you were a racist school teacher who due to your racism were harder on students of color than their white peers. Or if you were a racist business owner avoiding hiring any person of color or promoting them. What policies have the GOP pushed to protect against these acts. Of if you were a racist judge whose history of judgement have been to judge POC harsher for the same crimes as white ppl. Sure we get the angle from the GOP of why diversity is bad if it comes at the expense of someone more qualified. But what about the reverse?

When is the last time the GOP targeted and/or condemned issues where people in power were practicing racial bias towards a person of color? How much effort has the GOP exercised in ensuring a fair playing field for any POC? What is the last policy they researched realized that POC were being disproportionally failed and created the laws to remedy the situation?

You do realize the black business district in Tulsa was REBUILT in a few years right? The beauty of a free society is that if someone doesn't want me around, I'm not putting money in his pockets. If many people take this attitude, in a free society, I now have an EASY opportunity to serve those who other refuse to serve.

And with any job, there is a price to be paid in terms of productivity and profitability when you choose to hire people based on skin color, instead of who is actually the best at the job. As for your school teacher example, I'm all for school choice. This would allow the creation of schools that can focus on specialized curriculum and without race quotas, a black neighborhood wouldn't have to worry about hiring racists to teach black kids. It's always amazing to me what can happen when moral people are free to make their own choices in life.

Black Wall Street was created and prosperous due to segregation. Once Segregation ended so did the ability for the dollar to stay within the community.

Black population of the US is only 14%. The talking points of hiring the "most qualified" while sounds nice. Is strictly due to the convenience of having a majority. Can very well lead to stomping out black employment. Black people having the same resume will lose just based on not being able to supply the same number of candidates. But of course when someone can then just claim "well black people are being lazy"...

This also doesn't explain how black ppl with the same level of experience & education routinely get paid less than whites with the same exact credentials. Black women holding the biggest discrepancy. Less qualified doesn't explain that. Racism, Prejudice, Bigotry sure does though.

I see no MAGA GOP policies offered. Noted

[Neutral 123]

OT, but per WaPo Biden is set to announce support for legislative changes to the SCOTUS including term limits and an enforceable code of ethics.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/16/biden-supreme-court-reforms/?utm_source=reddit.com

Keep on securing my vote Joe.

A code of ethics, yes, depending on what that really means. Term limits? Not as crazy about. This is far better than expanding the court like the out of control radicals wanted.

Are you okay with Clarence Thomas accepting millions of dollars in lavish gifts/trips from people whose cases were being heard before the court? Because that's what the code of ethics is referring to.

I am in support of anything that ends the current gerontocracy in our three branches of government.

Clarence Thomas adheres to the constitution with his rulings. He's an incredible supreme court judge. I've already made it clear that as long as a code of ethics means not accepting lavish gifts, then I'm for it. but you never know what will actually be proposed. This is why I can't go by just a headline.

[Worm Guts]

So it's white supremacy for people to associate with who they want? Is it white supremacy if I prefer to have black neighbors? Is it white supremacy if I prefer to have black friends and a black wife? Is that white supremacy? Should I be forced to integrate with the whites if I don't want to?

Respond to what I asked.

Because they don't want America flooded with illegals. A position you don't have to be a white supremacist to agree with.

Is it white supremacy to suggest that illegal immigrants “are poisoning the blood of our country”?

[MrDollarBills]

OT, but per WaPo Biden is set to announce support for legislative changes to the SCOTUS including term limits and an enforceable code of ethics.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/16/biden-supreme-court-reforms/?utm_source=reddit.com

Keep on securing my vote Joe.

Well, we better do it or we won’t have a country anymore. I was on the he should step down and be replaced wagon, but honestly it’s not my fight anymore. Whatever happens will happen, he or whoever else is getting my vote. Or people who are ideologically like the above will come after my family for being the wrong religion. It shouldn’t come as any surprise why I’m not supporting a party that doesn’t think I’m an American or deserve rights

I also think Joe should retire, because the strain and stress of the Presidency on an 80 something year old man is too much....but no one screaming for him to step down has named a viable replacement, so i think it's well past time to rally the wagons behind the old man. I view this as a vote for the Biden Administration as a whole anyway.

By doing this, Supreme Court reform is now on the 2024 ballot. The Roberts Court is unhinged and deeply corrupt. It's a no brainer for me.

And I 100% agree with you. My family is at risk as well. When people wonder why folks would stop talking to other people over politics, this is the stuff we're thinking about. Life and death.

[Neutral 123]

That white ppl are superior to non white ppl. So bombing & burning down one of the most successful communities in American history that happen to be predominantly black was within their right. Denying African Americans loans to build up their communities which would generate property taxes that would fund schooling. That they would gladly offer to a white person is within their right.

Let me ask you. If say you were a racist school teacher who due to your racism were harder on students of color than their white peers. Or if you were a racist business owner avoiding hiring any person of color or promoting them. What policies have the GOP pushed to protect against these acts. Of if you were a racist judge whose history of judgement have been to judge POC harsher for the same crimes as white ppl. Sure we get the angle from the GOP of why diversity is bad if it comes at the expense of someone more qualified. But what about the reverse?

When is the last time the GOP targeted and/or condemned issues where people in power were practicing racial bias towards a person of color? How much effort has the GOP exercised in ensuring a fair playing field for any POC? What is the last policy they researched realized that POC were being disproportionally failed and created the laws to remedy the situation?

You do realize the black business district in Tulsa was REBUILT in a few years right? The beauty of a free society is that if someone doesn't want me around, I'm not putting money in his pockets. If many people take this attitude, in a free society, I now have an EASY opportunity to serve those who other refuse to serve.

And with any job, there is a price to be paid in terms of productivity and profitability when you choose to hire people based on skin color, instead of who is actually the best at the job. As for your school teacher example, I'm all for school choice. This would allow the creation of schools that can focus on specialized curriculum and without race quotas, a black neighborhood wouldn't have to worry about hiring racists to teach black kids. It's always amazing to me what can happen when moral people are free to make their own choices in life.

Black Wall Street was created and prosperous due to segregation. Once Segregation ended so did the ability for the dollar to stay within the community.

Black population of the US is only 14%. The talking points of hiring the "most qualified" while sounds nice. Is strictly due to the convenience of having a majority. Can very well lead to stomping out black employment. Black people having the same resume will lose just based on not being able to supply the same number of candidates. But of course when someone can then just claim "well black people are being lazy"...

This also doesn't explain how black ppl with the same level of experience & education routinely get paid less than whites with the same exact credentials. Black women holding the biggest discrepancy. Less qualified doesn't explain that. Racism, Prejudice, Bigotry sure does though.

I see no MAGA GOP policies offered. Noted

The qualifications and experience are not the same. Women get paid less because women generally work less. And there are lots of other much smaller groups who earn more than whites on average. None of what you said is actually supported by the facts. Lots of immigrant groups are THRIVING in America and outperforming the whites.