Around the NBA - 2024-25 Season Continued - First post updated!

[KnicksGadfly]

My own personal suggestion to fix the current product would be award only 2 fts on fouled three-pointers and 3 fts on fouled 2-pointers inside the perimeter. This will encourage teams to attack the paint more and become less reliant on 3s.

Haven't heard that one and I like it! I'd also make the corner three 23'9" which of course would require you to make the court a little bigger.

Bruh...that would mean Joel Embiid would get to shoot 30 free throws a game instead of 20.

[MrDollarBills]

Moving the line back might help but I disagree about the corner 3. I think the degree of difficulty on the shot makes it worth keeping in the game.

What do you mean about the degree of difficulty on the shot? Are you talking about the corner three? I thought that was the shortest and easiest shot behind the three point line.

MDB, Jay makes a great point

So, a corner 3 is a lot harder to hit in my opinion because there's no backboard to use for reference, and the tight space between the court and out of bounds line. But that's just me and not someone who relies on muscle memory from putting up 1000 jumpers a day from the corners

However, to Jay's point, it's closer, but I would say it's the most "easier" shot not because of the distance, but because more times than not it's the shot that's the most wide open during offensive sets.

I wouldn't remove it from the game though.

[MrDollarBills]

What do you mean about the degree of difficulty on the shot? Are you talking about the corner three? I thought that was the shortest and easiest shot behind the three point line.

MDB, Jay makes a great point

There's the depth perception issue without the backboard to use as a guide. It's the shortest three but is it really the easiest? No lucky bounces. No lucky bank shots if you shoot it long. Idk.

The idea of moving the line back and cutting it off at the sidelines may have a huge impact though. Who's gonna shoot from the corner for two? Probably force teams to move without the ball a lot more and cuts the basket go up. Idk. Trying to picture how teams would adjust.

Yeah depth perception is what i was getting at. I don't think the distance makes it easier at all. If you're not a good shooter it's easier to miss those shots badly than it is from the top of the arc or shoulders.

[MrDollarBills]

There's the depth perception issue without the backboard to use as a guide. It's the shortest three but is it really the easiest? No lucky bounces. No lucky bank shots if you shoot it long. Idk.

The idea of moving the line back and cutting it off at the sidelines may have a huge impact though. Who's gonna shoot from the corner for two? Probably force teams to move without the ball a lot more and cuts the basket go up. Idk. Trying to picture how teams would adjust.

The league average shooting percentages are higher from the corner than they are above the break. Oddly enough the Knicks are one of the few teams that shoot better above the break than from the corner even with Mikal's dreadful shooting above the break.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/knicks-shot-chart-2025

Fair enough. Is that the same volume though? Either way, if they move the line that shot probably goes WAY down as an option.

Without looking, i am pretty certain that the shooting percentages are higher from the cormer since those threes are mostly wide open catch and shoot opportunities.

[MrDollarBills]

You're right. I just think of him as an extension of Reggie Miller due to all his off-ball movement but he wasn't the three point shooter Reggie was. Of all the "he would be better today" BS arguments, Rip actually would be because coaches would put all those long twos a few steps back.

Yeah I can't see Rip being the same player if he came up in today's hoop culture. They would have had him shooting threes. there's a beauty to his game that will never be recaptured.

To circle back to the present day topic, I don't think it's bad per say to focus on the deep ball, but how many easy buckets are guys leaving on the floor because they pass up an open J by the foul line?

100%! As an old head the most I miss about the old NBA style besides the epic matchup's in the low post are the midrange masters like Rip who would run around 3 screens and shoot that middy. We used to do some of that with Starks and Hubert Davis.

I can so understand why the ratings are down. I mean if your team isn't good, why would you want to watch 80 games where each team just shoots 40 threes or the top scorer goes Iso? We are blessed to have our team who actually can shoot the 3 and they actually share the ball.

But man I'd give anything to feel that excitement and hype when Ewing was going up against Shaq or Hakeem or Admiral!

That's also a good point.

Are there any player match ups that you look forward to in today's game? I can't name any.

What's more exciting, Ewing vs Hakeem or Jokic vs Embiid?

Every time Kobe and T Mac had a chance to play against each other, that was a must watch game. It's hard to think of anything comparable now.

[ezmoney707]

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Lmao absolutely not the case. Watch a Celtics game beginning to end and you’ll see them jacking up well contested 3s or 3s with a defender a step away. I’m all for taking open 3s or drive n kick ones but plenty of teams are taking bad threes and living with the results.

I also think this is only a regular season problem. The game tends to tighten up and with more offensive creativity in the playoffs.

[JayTWill]

The league average shooting percentages are higher from the corner than they are above the break. Oddly enough the Knicks are one of the few teams that shoot better above the break than from the corner even with Mikal's dreadful shooting above the break.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/knicks-shot-chart-2025

Fair enough. Is that the same volume though? Either way, if they move the line that shot probably goes WAY down as an option.

Without looking, i am pretty certain that the shooting percentages are higher from the cormer since those threes are mostly wide open catch and shoot opportunities.

You watched your guy Mikal struggle with that broken *** form on above the break 3's for most of the year while knocking down corner threes with ease and you still think it is a more difficult shot???

I understand the depth perception and other things that affect the degree of difficulty that go into making threes but the corner three is just a much more repeatable shot from the distance to the positioning to the angle sort of like a free throw. The further away you get from the basket the more difficult it becomes to repeat and maintain your mechanics.

Bruce Bowen is the classic example of a guy benefiting from the corner three. A career 57.5% wide open free throw shooter made a living offensively shooting almost 40% from three mostly from the corner on easily repeatable long "free throws".

[MrDollarBills]

Fair enough. Is that the same volume though? Either way, if they move the line that shot probably goes WAY down as an option.

Without looking, i am pretty certain that the shooting percentages are higher from the cormer since those threes are mostly wide open catch and shoot opportunities.

You watched your guy Mikal struggle with that broken *** form on above the break 3's for most of the year while knocking down corner threes with ease and you still think it is a more difficult shot???

I understand the depth perception and other things that affect the degree of difficulty that go into making threes but the corner three is just a much more repeatable shot from the distance to the positioning to the angle sort of like a free throw. The further away you get from the basket the more difficult it becomes to repeat and maintain your mechanics.

Bruce Bowen is the classic example of a guy benefiting from the corner three. A career 57.5% wide open free throw shooter made a living offensively shooting almost 40% from three mostly from the corner on easily repeatable long "free throws".

Hmm yeah, you're right about that. Muscle memory from that shot probably makes it cake for the pros.

I concede, you've made a solid argument. I see you know your judo well.

[JayTWill]

Without looking, i am pretty certain that the shooting percentages are higher from the cormer since those threes are mostly wide open catch and shoot opportunities.

You watched your guy Mikal struggle with that broken *** form on above the break 3's for most of the year while knocking down corner threes with ease and you still think it is a more difficult shot???

I understand the depth perception and other things that affect the degree of difficulty that go into making threes but the corner three is just a much more repeatable shot from the distance to the positioning to the angle sort of like a free throw. The further away you get from the basket the more difficult it becomes to repeat and maintain your mechanics.

Bruce Bowen is the classic example of a guy benefiting from the corner three. A career 57.5% wide open free throw shooter made a living offensively shooting almost 40% from three mostly from the corner on easily repeatable long "free throws".

Hmm yeah, you're right about that. Muscle memory from that shot probably makes it cake for the pros.

I concede, you've made a solid argument. I see you know your judo well.

I just wanted to take a shot at your guy Mikal. I'm glad to see him playing well. I was a little worried he was going to become Bogey 2.0 for you.

[Capn'O]

The best players can all still go one on one. It's one of the reasons I bet on Kuminga in BAF even though he has yet to show a lot of consistency. He has that one one game that would still work when the game tightens.

Yeah I can't see Rip being the same player if he came up in today's hoop culture. They would have had him shooting threes. there's a beauty to his game that will never be recaptured.

To circle back to the present day topic, I don't think it's bad per say to focus on the deep ball, but how many easy buckets are guys leaving on the floor because they pass up an open J by the foul line?

100%! As an old head the most I miss about the old NBA style besides the epic matchup's in the low post are the midrange masters like Rip who would run around 3 screens and shoot that middy. We used to do some of that with Starks and Hubert Davis.

I can so understand why the ratings are down. I mean if your team isn't good, why would you want to watch 80 games where each team just shoots 40 threes or the top scorer goes Iso? We are blessed to have our team who actually can shoot the 3 and they actually share the ball.

But man I'd give anything to feel that excitement and hype when Ewing was going up against Shaq or Hakeem or Admiral!

That's also a good point.

Are there any player match ups that you look forward to in today's game? I can't name any.

What's more exciting, Ewing vs Hakeem or Jokic vs Embiid?

Every time Kobe and T Mac had a chance to play against each other, that was a must watch game. It's hard to think of anything comparable now.

Was it FE that brought up the "violence" aspect of sports? I thought that was an apt description. I enjoy watching guys try to go through other guys to get buckets vs take the most open shot even if the latter way is better for winning outcomes.

Brunson's attacks, for example, are a blast. Just a little guy taking on the trees and using his body to get space to do it. It's fun.

[HarthorneWingo]

MDB, Jay makes a great point

There's the depth perception issue without the backboard to use as a guide. It's the shortest three but is it really the easiest? No lucky bounces. No lucky bank shots if you shoot it long. Idk.

The idea of moving the line back and cutting it off at the sidelines may have a huge impact though. Who's gonna shoot from the corner for two? Probably force teams to move without the ball a lot more and cuts the basket go up. Idk. Trying to picture how teams would adjust.

Yeah depth perception is what i was getting at. I don't think the distance makes it easier at all. If you're not a good shooter it's easier to miss those shots badly than it is from the top of the arc or shoulders.

Is this you?

[thebuzzardman]

The best players can all still go one on one. It's one of the reasons I bet on Kuminga in BAF even though he has yet to show a lot of consistency. He has that one one game that would still work when the game tightens.

100%! As an old head the most I miss about the old NBA style besides the epic matchup's in the low post are the midrange masters like Rip who would run around 3 screens and shoot that middy. We used to do some of that with Starks and Hubert Davis.

I can so understand why the ratings are down. I mean if your team isn't good, why would you want to watch 80 games where each team just shoots 40 threes or the top scorer goes Iso? We are blessed to have our team who actually can shoot the 3 and they actually share the ball.

But man I'd give anything to feel that excitement and hype when Ewing was going up against Shaq or Hakeem or Admiral!

That's also a good point.

Are there any player match ups that you look forward to in today's game? I can't name any.

What's more exciting, Ewing vs Hakeem or Jokic vs Embiid?

Every time Kobe and T Mac had a chance to play against each other, that was a must watch game. It's hard to think of anything comparable now.

Was it FE that brought up the "violence" aspect of sports? I thought that was an apt description. I enjoy watching guys try to go through other guys to get buckets vs take the most open shot even if the latter way is better for winning outcomes.

Brunson's attacks, for example, are a blast. Just a little guy taking on the trees and using his body to get space to do it. It's fun.

Now that they are allowing more physical defense near the basket, game is getting closer to a good balance

[BKlutch]

I don't think that 3 point shots should be hindered or legislated out of the game. I just wish teams, players, coaches, and trainers would regain some creativity. Basketball can be much more fun than just 3 point spamming.

"We wanna get up as many threes as possible."

And I might wanna go to sleep or change the channel

I’m a proponent of moving it back and tapering it off and the sidelines thereby eliminating the corner 3.

Yaaaaaaaaas!!!

Since KAT is great at hitting 3's above the break, this would not only improve the game aesthetically, but it would create a relative advantage for us and other teams with shooters who can hit that shot -- ex. Stephen Curry.

[MrDollarBills]

There's the depth perception issue without the backboard to use as a guide. It's the shortest three but is it really the easiest? No lucky bounces. No lucky bank shots if you shoot it long. Idk.

The idea of moving the line back and cutting it off at the sidelines may have a huge impact though. Who's gonna shoot from the corner for two? Probably force teams to move without the ball a lot more and cuts the basket go up. Idk. Trying to picture how teams would adjust.

Yeah depth perception is what i was getting at. I don't think the distance makes it easier at all. If you're not a good shooter it's easier to miss those shots badly than it is from the top of the arc or shoulders.

Is this you?

My eyes are terrible now

[HarthorneWingo]

Yeah depth perception is what i was getting at. I don't think the distance makes it easier at all. If you're not a good shooter it's easier to miss those shots badly than it is from the top of the arc or shoulders.

Is this you?

My eyes are terrible now

That’s gonna be a problem if you’re gonna play on our team.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Yeah depth perception is what i was getting at. I don't think the distance makes it easier at all. If you're not a good shooter it's easier to miss those shots badly than it is from the top of the arc or shoulders.

Is this you?

My eyes are terrible now

It really does make you blind?

[Jstock12]

Seems like an easy fix to me.

Make anything inside the arc worth 3 points, outside the arc = 2 points.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Seems like an easy fix to me.

Make anything inside the arc worth 3 points, outside the arc = 2 points.

Just do away with the three point line altogether!

[MrDollarBills]

Is this you?

My eyes are terrible now

That’s gonna be a problem if you’re gonna play on our team.

I'm retired from the sport

[MrDollarBills]

Is this you?

My eyes are terrible now

It really does make you blind?

What? Jacking off?

That's an urban legend or so I'm told