OT: The WWE Thread - Part 2

[Moose]

All I know, it really really sucks for the WWE right now. All their top stars are hurt. They have done such a poor job of making others a strong face that its really making the roster unbalanced.

As others have said, the only logical choice is to make Reigns a heel if he is going to win the title. There arent too many other guys out there that are strong enough faces other than Dean Ambrose. Brock is only part time. The only way to build a strong face is by making a strong heel. Stop using Cena, get other guys out there to get them over.

I really would be cool if they did something like put Kevin Owens in the tournament and shock the world and win. He has huge potential as a bad a$$ Face in the Brock Lesnar mold.

Yea, KO is another option, but he isn't developed yet character wise. Reigns has it all right now to do it. Friendship with a popular face? Check. A history with the fans? Check. Established himself enough to be a realistic champion? Check.

Perfect time for it now. I know they want to surprise, but sometimes you have to do what makes sense. You can create the surprises elsewhere.

I haven't watched, but if the Taker/Wyatt thijg hasnt been explained at all yet, then I think Taker turns heel with the Wyatt family. Which might be refreshing.

You can have some very good heels dominate for a bit and then allow Rollins to return as a face. Let Ambrose develop some more actual wrestling skills and get a few key wins as a face (maybe have Wyatt win a title and let Ambrose take it from him?)...

Eventually have Cena win a title vs a strong heel in several months. Just keep him out of the main event. Frankly, as long as he is the second biggest show and winning, the young kids will still love him and he will sell. In the meantime, you get his draw, plus the main eventers draw...nice combo.

I'm not well enough aware of all the faces, but there doesn't seem a guy right now that you would want to have the title as a face. Except lesnar. But if he wins it, no one can realistically take it without some sort of stipulation.

[DowNY]

After letting things go a week with Seth out, few things:

These writers are completely horrible & need to all be fired. WWE needs a complete creative overhaul. Unrealistic being a weekly show with no weeks off but maybe start by groups or something. It's such a force that's it's getting hard to defend.

With Seth out, you're suppose to be seeing Wrestlers with a new side. All hungry to be apart of the tournament & be champion. Instead everything just seems like luster. Can't even get me emotionally invested.

Obviously it's been said & I thought of it as soon as I heard Seth was injured, but Roman going heel would be cool ONLY if it's done right.
They already had Triple H trying to persuade him on Raw. That tells me 1 of 2 things, either Roman will join them at SS the same way the Rock joined the Cooperation at SS in 1998 OR Dean will take Triple H's offer which would hurt Roman in the finals even more so. Dean being a heel will always work because that's his true calling but not sure if it would mesh with Authority's style, so it would be interesting. Roman as heel with HHH would be cool because he could finally get a new theme song & possibly an update to his entrance, attire & finishing move (hate the spear as anybody's finisher - let Roman get the Last Ride for his finisher since he was used to doing the triple power bomb in the shield).

Roman can go fake hollywood until the Rock returns to talk sense into him. Roman would throw that 'he's doing exactly what the Rock has done in the past to get to the next level' back into his face. Tease a face-off but break it off & have HHH step in smiling at the Rock because being 1 of the Rock's greatest rivals & now having the Rock's most over flesh & blood under his wing should be killing him.
Bam - HHH vs. Rock at Mania.


Deep down I was hoping Bray would've got the strap. He's the top heel now with Seth gone & he could've had Kane & Taker be his slaves & heels for a while under his control, leading to him winning the belt with his family plus the Brothers of Destruction. Would've been an awesome sight to see in the ring at SS, 5 of them standing behind Bray with his title. Who's stopping that?

Well....just my 2 cents.

[Juco24]

WWE RAW 11/16/15 was probably the most BORING RAW I've ever seen... you know it's pretty sad when the climatic finish involves two women with little mic skills who are shamed into bringing up the deceased. C'mon WWE - You're better than that! Aren't you? Bueler?

[DASMACKDOWN]

Raw is going to be pretty boring. There arent many active stars left. Survivor series will probably go down as one of the worst ever in terms high interest main events. They will probably be a few twists in there but for the most part its predictable.

I do think that the twist is going to be Dean Ambrose winning the WWE title over Reigns. Where Dean is the one the sell out to the Authority. That or the Big Irish cashing in the MITB and getting the title after the dust settles.

[Moose]

Raw is going to be pretty boring. There arent many active stars left. Survivor series will probably go down as one of the worst ever in terms high interest main events. They will probably be a few twists in there but for the most part its predictable.

I do think that the twist is going to be Dean Ambrose winning the WWE title over Reigns. Where Dean is the one the sell out to the Authority. That or the Big Irish cashing in the MITB and getting the title after the dust settles.

Sometimes doing the predictable is the way to go.

Reigns wins title as a heel. Rollins comes back in 9-12 months and reclaims it as a face.

You can push Ambrose/Reigns story for a bit.

[Butch718]

I just don't think heel Ambrose will work. Especially if you have him win over Reigns. The crowd would actually eat that up. I would go the predictable route and have Reigns be the new Corporate champ, and have Dean chase him for a while. Reigns needs to be a heel. Ambrose ATM is one of the top faces in the company. Having him turn heel and forcing Reigns to be the top face just wouldn't work IMO.

[DASMACKDOWN]

Sometimes doing the predictable is the way to go.

Reigns wins title as a heel. Rollins comes back in 9-12 months and reclaims it as a face.

You can push Ambrose/Reigns story for a bit.

I agree with the Ambrose/Reigns angle. But its going to be too long a time difference between Rollins coming back. They still have Brock out there. Rollins will be a sure fire face when he first returns but it doesnt mean he stays a face.

I just don't think heel Ambrose will work. Especially if you have him win over Reigns. The crowd would actually eat that up. I would go the predictable route and have Reigns be the new Corporate champ, and have Dean chase him for a while. Reigns needs to be a heel. Ambrose ATM is one of the top faces in the company. Having him turn heel and forcing Reigns to be the top face just wouldn't work IMO.

You are probably right there. There has to be a corporate champion and one that fits for all parties. To me there are only two options. Make Reigns corporate champion and have Triple H screw Dean over. OR Have Reigns/Ambrose actually win, then Sheamus steal the title in the end and be the new Corporate Champion.

I just feel the whole first Raw when SR got hurt, was all a setup to an inevitable setup ending. Triple H offers the title and Reigns eventually accepts it (corporate champ) OR Triple H offers the title, Reigns denies it, and ultimately pays the price down the road (gets screwed).

[wolfv]

If WWE still knew how to be entertaining they would turn Reigns into a corporate Rock type character and Ambrose into an Austin/Raven character. WWE needs a top heel and a top face badly, and Reigns and Ambrose would become those guys. Turning Dean heel and putting him in a feud with face Reigns will fail

[Meat]

If WWE still knew how to be entertaining they would turn Reigns into a corporate Rock type character and Ambrose into an Austin/Raven character. WWE needs a top heel and a top face badly, and Reigns and Ambrose would become those guys. Turning Dean heel and putting him in a feud with face Reigns will fail

that worked because they had austin as the face of the wwe. Cena's already starting to break down, they need a marketable good looking dude as the face, Ambrose isnt that guy. he's not gonna get over on good morning america or dancing with the stars like roman can

[Moose]

lolololol

[DASMACKDOWN]

I KNEW IT!!!!

I know Sheamus would be involved. I was right. There had to be a corporate champion.

[kingquan316]

Reigns still not getting the expected face response. They should have really turned him heel tonite. I really think for him to become the next big baby face, he needs a run as a heel first.

[DowNY]

Reigns still not getting the expected face response. They should have really turned him heel tonite. I really think for him to become the next big baby face, he needs a run as a heel first.

He'll be heel. They weren't going to turn him because he would've gotten cheered by turning heel. You saw the reaction he got when HHH was talking to him on Raw a week ago. They want more people to get emotionally invested in Roman & feel like he really keeps on getting screwed. That's why they closed up on him crying. It's a shame they have to take the same HHH/Briefcase template over & over again though. It's stupid. I too would have preferred to see heel Roman tonight. Sheamus as champ sucks.

[DowNY]

PPV sucked. Nothing worthy to talk about.

[xNewYorkMadex]

I love The Undertaker, but I do think Bray and the Wyatts shouldve gotten that win.

I hate to agree with the hardcore internet wrestling community (Feel a bunch of these guys really need to relax and stop watching wrestling and get some perspective with their lives with some of the comments I read. They always hate the product and yet continue to watch every week.) But Taker and Kane shouldve lost. I dont know why Bray keeps taking L's at PPV's. Every big time match or feud he has, he just never gets a win. This wouldve been a huge opportunity for Bray. They didnt even have to win clean really, have Stroman interfere or something and have them win dirty.

Maybe the feud isnt over? So perhaps im jumping the gun. But I dont envision this feud will continue.

Wouldve liked to see Roman keep the title. I like Roman, but he still needs some work. Never think he feels comfortable talking on the mic yet. And thats kind of a big deal.

The New Day remains the best part about each show. Kofi has improved a ton on the mic. Real happy for him. They all seem to just act like an exaggerated version of themselves. WWE needs to go back to that. Let wrestlers be more of themselves, let them come off naturally to us.

[DASMACKDOWN]

I love The Undertaker, but I do think Bray and the Wyatts shouldve gotten that win.

I hate to agree with the hardcore internet wrestling community (Feel a bunch of these guys really need to relax and stop watching wrestling and get some perspective with their lives with some of the comments I read. They always hate the product and yet continue to watch every week.) But Taker and Kane shouldve lost. I dont know why Bray keeps taking L's at PPV's. Every big time match or feud he has, he just never gets a win. This wouldve been a huge opportunity for Bray. They didnt even have to win clean really, have Stroman interfere or something and have them win dirty.

Maybe the feud isnt over? So perhaps im jumping the gun. But I dont envision this feud will continue.

Wouldve liked to see Roman keep the title. I like Roman, but he still needs some work. Never think he feels comfortable talking on the mic yet. And thats kind of a big deal.

The New Day remains the best part about each show. Kofi has improved a ton on the mic. Real happy for him. They all seem to just act like an exaggerated version of themselves. WWE needs to go back to that. Let wrestlers be more of themselves, let them come off naturally to us.

There was no way the Undertaker was going to lose. He had already lost 2 to Brock in 3 matches and they werent going to make him lose back to back on Undertaker Day.

But I am with you 100% about Bray. He at this point is the WWE's biggest jobber. Which makes absolutely no sense to me. Its like his gimmick is to pick a fight with someone, only to get crushed. I dont get why a guy who has an amazing gimmick, an amazing entrace and has a beast of a stable, gets jobbed so much. They need to sort that out.

I agree that Sheamus sort of sucks but it just works. People hate Sheamus so it just adds to the Heel heat. Plus he is Triple H's buddy so I knew he was going to get the title.

To me Reigns is sort of in the Ryback type face. He never consistently has full face support so it ends up being lukewarm. Dean Ambrose actually is a bigger face than Reigns is. I dont ever think Reigns will be truly over as a face at least not yet. There is just too much stench from the Royal Rumble where the fans felt like the WWE was stuffing Reigns down our throats and thought he was going to win at Wrestlemania. He still has never recovered from that.

[Moose]

Ambrose really is roddy piper. He'll never be a serious title contender. That title fight was a match you see on Raw, not a PPV.

It was rushed and disappointing. I had a nice chuckle when sheamus won though.

I'll probably catch royal rumble when it happens and rely on this forum for updated info, as usual.

[kingquan316]

Raw was probably one of the worst shows I've seen.

First time I was legit annoyed with New Day. That was the corniest **** I've seen them do with them riding those ponies.

Ratings were an all time low again. This was like wat? the 5th time ratings hit a record low?

WWE doesn't know how to push young stars at all right now. I loved Taker, and I get the 25th anniversary was cool at Survivor series, but Bray needed a win against him, and to job him out to Taker again was stupid. I've seen the writing on the wall, that when Cena and Orton gets older the WWE will pay for not building up new stars, and the legit stars that they did make the past 5 years in Bryan and Punk, was under pushed in favor of Cena and old time stars. Losing Punk and Bryan was the biggest blow to WWE, because they had that IT factor where the crowd would be behind them in almost 95% of the fan base. They still have Bryan, but even with him being injury free, they never believed in him.

I love Brock, probably my favorite on screen character they have right now, but they needed someone full time to have a push and protected like he was. There is no legitimate main event guy on the roster right now, and bringing back Cena ain't it. I'm sure Mania will be good, and ratings will increase with them bringing the legends and Brock back again, but then what happens after? Ratings will keep decreasing when they realize no one gives a **** about any of the new wrestlers cause the wwe don't give them any reason to. In 97, with all time low ratings, wwe realize they needed a change, and went attitude. With ratings being in the 97 level again, will they finally realize that change is needed again? I hope so.

[DowNY]

Raw was probably one of the worst shows I've seen.

First time I was legit annoyed with New Day. That was the corniest **** I've seen them do with them riding those ponies.

Ratings were an all time low again. This was like wat? the 5th time ratings hit a record low?

WWE doesn't know how to push young stars at all right now. I loved Taker, and I get the 25th anniversary was cool at Survivor series, but Bray needed a win against him, and to job him out to Taker again was stupid. I've seen the writing on the wall, that when Cena and Orton gets older the WWE will pay for not building up new stars, and the legit stars that they did make the past 5 years in Bryan and Punk, was under pushed in favor of Cena and old time stars. Losing Punk and Bryan was the biggest blow to WWE, because they had that IT factor where the crowd would be behind them in almost 95% of the fan base. They still have Bryan, but even with him being injury free, they never believed in him.

I love Brock, probably my favorite on screen character they have right now, but they needed someone full time to have a push and protected like he was. There is no legitimate main event guy on the roster right now, and bringing back Cena ain't it. I'm sure Mania will be good, and ratings will increase with them bringing the legends and Brock back again, but then what happens after? Ratings will keep decreasing when they realize no one gives a **** about any of the new wrestlers cause the wwe don't give them any reason to. In 97, with all time low ratings, wwe realize they needed a change, and went attitude. With ratings being in the 97 level again, will they finally realize that change is needed again? I hope so.

I support this post 100%. This is a sad time. They need a creative overhaul. They have no idea what they're doing. 4th in 18 - 42 demographic viewership behind ESPN, SportsCenter & LOVE & HIP HOP? Are you serious?! Love & stinkin hip hop? If this doesn't open their eyes, don't know what will. The problem is, there's no competition. I suggest you go listen to Vince Russo's latest podcast & take a look at Mick Foley's recent Facebook post about WWE. Have to agree with both these guys & we all know Russo is a hack, but he make valid points. It's hard to get invested when you know, once you're invested in certain wrestlers based off potential like Ziggler, Bray & Sasha Banks - they get put on the back burner for no reason. Can't even watch NXT with the same feeling from couple months ago.

[xNewYorkMadex]

Are ratings a big deal anymore?

Im legit asking that question, I would figure tons of shows (except live sports) are taking a ratings hit each year since many people are cutting the cord and not using cable anymore. I really only watch Raw live about once a month, maybe once every 2 months. I just cant sit hrough 3 hours of Raw. I watch the condensed version on Hulu the next day or whenever I get around to it.

Last I read, WWE network and the stock were doing really well. I would imagine Vince and co. care more about that than the ratings.