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Can I go on a mini rant here... Can we please stop crowning this Doncic kid the next MVP because NBA Twitter has loved him for years and years? He mostly sucked the 2nd half of the season, I don't see the upside as a defender nor as a scorer on offense. Has limited burst around the rim and there are still questions about how hard he actually works on his body. For someone that's not naturally a good athlete that concerns me. I think he's good and he's obviously a smart and crafty player but undisputed number 1 in that class? Uh uh not from me. Sorry. Prove it over a whole season before we start laughing at the Bagley, Ayton and Trae picks...

agreed. i said it many times here that he'll likely never be a top 5 player in the league for a lot of the reasons you listed. in a way there's a similarity to how donovan mitchell came in the league. big balls to take and make big shots so a lot of highlights early but pretty inefficient. both with big physical limitations - mitchell (size) luka (athleticism). i think both are very good but will never be mvp types. i doubt you ever win a championship with either one as your best player.

I think you absolutely could, it's just a matter of having the right build around him and luck, like with Dirk

Kid has a very high floor, but I do question how high his ceiling actually is due to his limited athleticism. I think Ayton has more potential, but the Suns need to develop him right, which is like saying we need to develop RJ right, we don't exactly have the best track record with that kind of stuff

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dirk had a physical advantage though. being that tall and being able to shoot like that, it was unheard of before him. but with luck sure, the right teammates, the right matchups, injuries, etc. but you can say that about a lot of players. a lot of them can be outliers and get one. there's always that chance.

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Damn he does look more sturdy at least

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Lol good luck with that

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let the anemia kick in....

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Damn he does look more sturdy at least

Unfortunate development for the women of the Dallas Metroplex

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agreed. i said it many times here that he'll likely never be a top 5 player in the league for a lot of the reasons you listed. in a way there's a similarity to how donovan mitchell came in the league. big balls to take and make big shots so a lot of highlights early but pretty inefficient. both with big physical limitations - mitchell (size) luka (athleticism). i think both are very good but will never be mvp types. i doubt you ever win a championship with either one as your best player.

I think you absolutely could, it's just a matter of having the right build around him and luck, like with Dirk

Kid has a very high floor, but I do question how high his ceiling actually is due to his limited athleticism. I think Ayton has more potential, but the Suns need to develop him right, which is like saying we need to develop RJ right, we don't exactly have the best track record with that kind of stuff

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dirk had a physical advantage though. being that tall and being able to shoot like that, it was unheard of before him. but with luck sure, the right teammates, the right matchups, injuries, etc. but you can say that about a lot of players. a lot of them can be outliers and get one. there's always that chance.

Yeah, I meant in the sense that Dirk isn't someone you can just plug into a generically good team and have him as the best player lead them to a ship, you need to build specifically around him

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agreed. i said it many times here that he'll likely never be a top 5 player in the league for a lot of the reasons you listed. in a way there's a similarity to how donovan mitchell came in the league. big balls to take and make big shots so a lot of highlights early but pretty inefficient. both with big physical limitations - mitchell (size) luka (athleticism). i think both are very good but will never be mvp types. i doubt you ever win a championship with either one as your best player.

I think you absolutely could, it's just a matter of having the right build around him and luck, like with Dirk

Kid has a very high floor, but I do question how high his ceiling actually is due to his limited athleticism. I think Ayton has more potential, but the Suns need to develop him right, which is like saying we need to develop RJ right, we don't exactly have the best track record with that kind of stuff

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dirk had a physical advantage though. being that tall and being able to shoot like that, it was unheard of before him. but with luck sure, the right teammates, the right matchups, injuries, etc. but you can say that about a lot of players. a lot of them can be outliers and get one. there's always that chance.

To play a VERY slight devil's advocate to you here I do believe he has a pretty big physical advantage with his size as a natural PG. I don't doubt his ability to create for others at a pretty high level. I just overall don't buy the scoring upside. He doesn't really have a track record as a high level shooter, was fairly average as a spot up shooter last year, his free throw percentage is fairly pedestrian and I find his release and mechanics a bit slow and robotic compared to the truly elite guys in his archetype like Harden and PG.

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I think you absolutely could, it's just a matter of having the right build around him and luck, like with Dirk

Kid has a very high floor, but I do question how high his ceiling actually is due to his limited athleticism. I think Ayton has more potential, but the Suns need to develop him right, which is like saying we need to develop RJ right, we don't exactly have the best track record with that kind of stuff

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dirk had a physical advantage though. being that tall and being able to shoot like that, it was unheard of before him. but with luck sure, the right teammates, the right matchups, injuries, etc. but you can say that about a lot of players. a lot of them can be outliers and get one. there's always that chance.

To play a VERY slight devil's advocate to you here I do believe he has a pretty big physical advantage with his size as a natural PG. I don't doubt his ability to create for others at a pretty high level. I just overall don't buy the scoring upside. He doesn't really have a track record as a high level shooter, was fairly average as a spot up shooter last year, his free throw percentage is fairly pedestrian and I find his release and mechanics a bit slow and robotic compared to the truly elite guys in his archetype like Harden and PG.

he's mostly guarded by wings though

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agreed. i said it many times here that he'll likely never be a top 5 player in the league for a lot of the reasons you listed. in a way there's a similarity to how donovan mitchell came in the league. big balls to take and make big shots so a lot of highlights early but pretty inefficient. both with big physical limitations - mitchell (size) luka (athleticism). i think both are very good but will never be mvp types. i doubt you ever win a championship with either one as your best player.

I think you absolutely could, it's just a matter of having the right build around him and luck, like with Dirk

Kid has a very high floor, but I do question how high his ceiling actually is due to his limited athleticism. I think Ayton has more potential, but the Suns need to develop him right, which is like saying we need to develop RJ right, we don't exactly have the best track record with that kind of stuff

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dirk had a physical advantage though. being that tall and being able to shoot like that, it was unheard of before him. but with luck sure, the right teammates, the right matchups, injuries, etc. but you can say that about a lot of players. a lot of them can be outliers and get one. there's always that chance.

When people call Dirk unathletic it drives me insane.

Sure he couldn't jump over a Persian rug but how many 7-footers have we seen move the way that he did during his prime? KG and who else? I remember young Dirk's first step was devastating and he was incredibly quick and fluid for a 7-footer (it's all relative to his size).

Doncic looks like one of those rare basketball geniuses so I wouldn't put a ceiling on him but I do think he'll be more of an All-NBA performer type rather than an MVP type. I'm more concerned about his J never becoming elite than his lack of athleticism (by NBA standards). I do think Trae Young is gonna win a couple MVPs though. And that Ayton is gonna be a losing player in this league.

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I think you absolutely could, it's just a matter of having the right build around him and luck, like with Dirk

Kid has a very high floor, but I do question how high his ceiling actually is due to his limited athleticism. I think Ayton has more potential, but the Suns need to develop him right, which is like saying we need to develop RJ right, we don't exactly have the best track record with that kind of stuff

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dirk had a physical advantage though. being that tall and being able to shoot like that, it was unheard of before him. but with luck sure, the right teammates, the right matchups, injuries, etc. but you can say that about a lot of players. a lot of them can be outliers and get one. there's always that chance.

Yeah, I meant in the sense that Dirk isn't someone you can just plug into a generically good team and have him as the best player lead them to a ship, you need to build specifically around him

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Nitpicking: can't you say that about every other great player though?

Because he led two rather unimpressive teams (on paper) with no other All-Stars to the Finals, and both teams had different strengths and weaknesses. Don't get me wrong, the 2011 team in particular was stacked and the 2006 team was no joke either but neither team was close to a superteam. Of course, I'm aware a well-built team can be better than an ill-conceived superteam, but he had very different supporting casts in '06 and '11 and neither of them was an all-timer.

PS: I love Dirk.

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If KP can stay healthy he’s gonna be a monster. He can still kick rocks though.

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These look terrible imo. Bring back the orange jerseys

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These look terrible imo. Bring back the orange jerseys

Yuck, I hope this is somehow fake because these look bland as hell. Like Summer League jerseys. We just can't have dope alternate jerseys can we?

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I like em.

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Damn kp looking riped and dsjr may have the fultz syndrome.

Just life as a knicks fan man.