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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1541 » by Stannis » Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:33 pm

BKlutch wrote:Obama killed a prominent infamous Muslim but was nevertheless a strong supporter of treating Muslims, and Muslim Americans, properly and with respect.

:eek2: :eek1: :eek1:

Maybe on the outside, but when it came down to it, he was as bad as W. Bush if not worse since he bombed Libya and Yemen as well. Lot of civilians were killed. Nothing respectable about that.

https://theintercept.com/drone-papers/the-assassination-complex/

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/12/president-obamas-weak-defense-of-his-record-on-drone-strikes/511454/
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1542 » by GONYK » Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:35 pm

NowWHYcee7 wrote:
GONYK wrote:
NowWHYcee7 wrote:
It’s really not. Trump has gained momentum on Biden in the last month. Nobody who is voting Biden is voting FOR Biden, they are voting against Trump. Hilary banked on that in 2016 and look where it got her. Once the campaign heats up and the ads start rolling out along with the debates you guys are in for a rude awakening.


What are your sources on this?


https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/16/politics/cnn-poll-biden-trump-august/index.html


So one CNN poll?
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1543 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:39 pm

NowWHYcee7 wrote:
Pointgod wrote:
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Yet the guy backs the guy who furthers the republican agenda.

But it's a "dog and pony show" supported by bootlickers.

Hey, if that's the case, lets just do away with the elections.

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Yeah it’s like transportation to go somewhere where you have to take a train, a taxi and walk some of the way. I may not like walking for some of the journey but I’ll get there. However not voting, voting Republican or voting third party is like taking a high speed bullet train in the opposite direction. It’s baffling.


No it’s not. Not voting is not voting. If neither candidate represents me and values neither of them deserve my vote. Say what you want about Trump but he went out there and earned those votes he got by speaking directly to people’s concerns. You think you’re going to win an election because your VP is 25% black? And your head of the ticket is half brain dead? You better think again.


And then he did absolutely nothing to address them. Trump is simply a fraudster of the highest order. Not only is he a sociopath, he’s also not very knowledgeable about anything other than how to swindle people. Trump always was way in over his head. Obama did get that part right in his speech.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1544 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:40 pm

GONYK wrote:
NowWHYcee7 wrote:
GONYK wrote:
What are your sources on this?


https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/16/politics/cnn-poll-biden-trump-august/index.html


So one CNN poll?



CNN says it’s a tie in the swing states? :o

You better not eff this up. Yes, I mean you, personally. :lol:
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1545 » by Oscirus » Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:44 pm

Stannis wrote:
BKlutch wrote:Obama killed a prominent infamous Muslim but was nevertheless a strong supporter of treating Muslims, and Muslim Americans, properly and with respect.

:eek2: :eek1: :eek1:

Maybe on the outside, but when it came down to it, he was as bad as W. Bush if not worse since he bombed Libya and Yemen as well. Lot of civilians were killed. Nothing respectable about that.

https://theintercept.com/drone-papers/the-assassination-complex/

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/12/president-obamas-weak-defense-of-his-record-on-drone-strikes/511454/

War on terror's a bitch and it's **** up there are civilian casualties , bit that's an unfortunate consequence. However, even in the article you cited, Obama learned from his earlier **** and implemented reforms. and that article is a scathing rebuke of obama's policies, just saying.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1546 » by Stannis » Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:44 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:



CNN says it’s a tie in the swing states? :o

You better not eff this up. Yes, I mean you, personally. :lol:

They probably don't want to humiliate themselves like last time. I remember they thought the election was already won in 2016.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1547 » by NowWHYcee7 » Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:46 pm

GONYK wrote:
NowWHYcee7 wrote:
GONYK wrote:
What are your sources on this?


https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/16/politics/cnn-poll-biden-trump-august/index.html


So one CNN poll?


Lol don’t move the goal posts now. If you support Biden you should be worried that this is a CNN polls of all things. It’s not like I’m quoting a poll of foxnews viewers. All I’m telling you is that if you are drinking the kool aid and think you have this in the bag this time, you’ve learned nothing from 4 years ago. Biden was the wrong pick, his VP is unlikable and phony, and the Democratic Party is openly shunning it’s progressive wing which by all measures is the future of any hope the left has in this country.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1548 » by Oscirus » Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:46 pm

Wont say much about that cnn article cuz the numbers speak for themselves however as to an earlier point made in this thread,

But the survey suggests that Trump's voters are a bit more likely to say that they could change their minds by November (12% say so) than are Biden's backers (7%).
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1549 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:49 pm

Stannis wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
GONYK wrote:
So one CNN poll?



CNN says it’s a tie in the swing states? :o

You better not eff this up. Yes, I mean you, personally. :lol:

They probably don't want to humiliate themselves like last time. I remember they thought the election was already won in 2016.


Hopefully they’re not using the same model.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1550 » by GONYK » Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:54 pm

NowWHYcee7 wrote:


Lol don’t move the goal posts now. If you support Biden you should be worried that this is a CNN polls of all things. It’s not like I’m quoting a poll of foxnews viewers. All I’m telling you is that if you are drinking the kool aid and think you have this in the bag this time, you’ve learned nothing from 4 years ago. Biden was the wrong pick, his VP is unlikable and phony, and the Democratic Party is openly shunning it’s progressive wing which by all measures is the future of any hope the left has in this country.


I'm not moving the goal posts. One poll is meaningless, regardless of whether I like what the poll says or not. Especially since more recent polls have told a much different story.

On the aggregate, what you said is incorrect.

Now, I'm not saying Biden has anything in the bag. I'm just saying he's ahead right now by a margin that is outside of a polling error, and has been for months. Obviously, we're a long way off and Dems can't let their foot off the gas pedal if they want to win.

I would also say that for how hated Hillary was, Trump only won by 80k votes in 4 states. There should be more caution on your side of the aisle as well.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1551 » by GONYK » Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:55 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:



CNN says it’s a tie in the swing states? :o

You better not eff this up. Yes, I mean you, personally. :lol:


As long as I can count on the Wingo vote, I think we're fine at the moment.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1552 » by rammagen » Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:59 pm

BallSacBounce wrote:
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BallSacBounce wrote:I was having a bit of fun. But regardless no I don't think so. An overhaul has been long overdue they bleed money like crazy and the mails aren't what they used to be with technology.

What I think is he is an expert at chain yanking and now Twitter is all a rage now. The partisans will square off and nothing between them will change. The normals will say **** this **** I want to vote in person I don't trust the mail.

Democrats are using the planned overhaul of the USPS for a couple of reasons. To begin seeding the national psyche that a Trump win is somehow illegitante I mean c'mon they've been doing it for how many years now with the fake ass Russia BS they aren't stopping now.

Also because they think mail in voting will help them. I don't blame them. Voting for Joe Biden isn't getting anyone up early but lick an envelope, sure thing. Republicans don't want it for a couple of reasons, USPS union endorses Biden. Sorry, that removes trust they shouldnt have done that.

https://www.postaltimes.com/postalnews/apwu-executive-board-endorses-joe-biden-for-president/

And they think it opens up the system for fraud and disarray and it does. My God what a freaking mess an all in mail in voting would be. Election might not be decided for weeks.


Except the Russia stuff is not fake. In the face of evidence from National security how do you persist in the belief the Russians are not trying to and rather successfully because people wont believe that they are or do believe everything they read on face book. This is not CCN this is the president posting stuff on twitter from Russian sources that national severity has already called out as false.
I am for truth in government but if people want to believe a man that lied to them over 20k times there are over 170k deaths in his leadership due to covid when he could helped control it and did not. Then no one can help them but dont bring the rest of down to this poor leadership because you are scared of diversity

Except the Russia stuff IS fake and the guilty pleas are starting to flow. See Kevin Clinesmith. He altered an email to say Carter Page was not a CIA asset when in fact the CIA email said that he was. He did that because it would have been absurd to assert Page was a possible Russian asset when in fact he was a CIA one. That's what he showed the FISA court and that's what enabled them to spy on the Trump administration. And it was **** faked.

Look Russia always tries to interfere in our elections, that's nothing new and has nothing to do with **** Trump. They want to sow discord and they've done a fine job with that with the Democrats screaming Russian Collusion and Treason and assorted other idiotic crap every second of every day for the past 3 1/2 years.


You want to know why they're doing that? To cover up their FISA court abuse. There is lots and lots of money and political advantage involved if you can surreptitiously monitor communications with CEOs and politicians with no warrant and no blowback.

When Adm. Rogers discovered the abuse the next day Glenn Simpson visited the White House and the start of finding excuses for deploying human assets within the Trump administration began for information they could no longer get illegally.

Judge Collyer lays out the abuse in a report just before she retired. 85% of FISA searches were illegal. That's what SHE said. And also that there was no reason to believe that the period 2012-2016 that was studied was any different than the period before it.

So the abuse was going on for a long time. And they couldn't very well let Trump attack them on it they risked jail time. The start of all of this was the FISA abuse and it began well before Trump. The Russia Hoax was all smoke and mirrors to hide what they did.

Believe it or not I don't care. You will be hearing a lot more of it before the election it looks like Durham is about done with his investigation.

The russia stuff is not fake unless you think the congressional report from a bipartisan group is fake too.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/18/politics/senate-intelligence-report-russia-election-interference-efforts/index.html
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1553 » by Pointgod » Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:07 pm

BallSacBounce wrote:
Oscirus wrote:
BallSacBounce wrote:Orange Man Bad/ Deplorables didn't work in 2016 why will it work now? I still don't think the Dems get what brought Trump to power.

Anyway, I believe Biden is a sacrificial lamb. They know no one is beating Trump this year so why not give old Joe a nice parting gift and not use up a rising star on a failed run.

Except this convention hasnt been about that. But nice random complaint to show you havent been paying attention.

Yeah, it kinda has. Obama ripped Trump. It still won't work.


What are Trump’s policies if he wins over the next four years?
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1554 » by GONYK » Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:10 pm

Also, it's worth pointing out that Kamala Harris is the only person on either side of the Presidential ticket with a net positive rating at this time.

That's interesting for someone I keep hearing nobody likes.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1555 » by Pointgod » Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:39 pm

NowWHYcee7 wrote:
Pointgod wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
Yet the guy backs the guy who furthers the republican agenda.

But it's a "dog and pony show" supported by bootlickers.

Hey, if that's the case, lets just do away with the elections.

Nihilists For Trump


Yeah it’s like transportation to go somewhere where you have to take a train, a taxi and walk some of the way. I may not like walking for some of the journey but I’ll get there. However not voting, voting Republican or voting third party is like taking a high speed bullet train in the opposite direction. It’s baffling.


No it’s not. Not voting is not voting. If neither candidate represents me and values neither of them deserve my vote. Say what you want about Trump but he went out there and earned those votes he got by speaking directly to people’s concerns. You think you’re going to win an election because your VP is 25% black? And your head of the ticket is half brain dead? You better think again.


Not voting means that you give up your voice in any matters. If you’re a Progressive and you actively let aid Republicans by not voting or voting third party then you’ve given up any opportunity to move your policies forward. Do you care about climate crisis? gun reform? income inequality? Then vote for a Democrat because while you’ll never get 100% of what you want immediately, you’ll get some percentage. If you let Republicans win then not only do you get 0% of what you want you end up going into a deficit that’s much harder to crawl out of.

What makes you think Trump earned his votes? He won by roughly 100000 votes, there were 170,000,000 total votes casted. You don’t need to be a math genius to realized that he won with less than 1% of the total votes. 4 million people voted for Obama in 2012 that stayed home in 2016. Trump didn’t work for anything (I’ll leave out the fact that he cheated and did something illegal to help him win) he won simply because a lot of voters gave up their voice. I’m curious what specific policies of Trump do you think addressed people’s concerns?
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1556 » by NowWHYcee7 » Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:47 pm

Pointgod wrote:
NowWHYcee7 wrote:
Pointgod wrote:
Yeah it’s like transportation to go somewhere where you have to take a train, a taxi and walk some of the way. I may not like walking for some of the journey but I’ll get there. However not voting, voting Republican or voting third party is like taking a high speed bullet train in the opposite direction. It’s baffling.


No it’s not. Not voting is not voting. If neither candidate represents me and values neither of them deserve my vote. Say what you want about Trump but he went out there and earned those votes he got by speaking directly to people’s concerns. You think you’re going to win an election because your VP is 25% black? And your head of the ticket is half brain dead? You better think again.


Not voting means that you give up your voice in any matters. If you’re a Progressive and you actively let aid Republicans by not voting or voting third party then you’ve given up any opportunity to move your policies forward. Do you care about climate crisis? gun reform? income inequality? Then vote for a Democrat because while you’ll never get 100% of what you want immediately, you’ll get some percentage. If you let Republicans win then not only do you get 0% of what you want you end up going into a deficit that’s much harder to crawl out of.

What makes you think Trump earned his votes? He won by roughly 100000 votes, there were 170,000,000 total votes casted. You don’t need to be a math genius to realized that he won with less than 1% of the total votes. 4 million people voted for Obama in 2012 that stayed home in 2016. Trump didn’t work for anything (I’ll leave out the fact that he cheated and did something illegal to help him win) he won simply because a lot of voters gave up their voice. I’m curious what specific policies of Trump do you think addressed people’s concerns?


I don’t see any difference between republicans and corporate democrats, so why would I vote for Biden? Trump is a salesman who talked his way into the White House, it is what it is, he played by the rules that were already in place, saying he cheated makes you look weak and whiny. It isn’t his fault you guys put up Hilary Clinton and just expected her to win because of her last name. You doing the same thing with Biden just because he was ObAmas VP, but low key even OBama doesn’t like Joe Biden. Hilarious.

One thing I will say is at least Trumps foreign policy has been OK in comparison with ObAma and the hawkish democratic establishment that destabilized the Middle East and then bragged about it. His economy was doing pretty damn good before the pandemic too...it’s pretty sad that the biggest boon for democrats this election season isn’t even the merit of their own nominee...but a deadly virus. Lmao.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1557 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:47 pm

rammagen wrote:The russia stuff is not fake unless you think the congressional report from a bipartisan group is fake too.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/18/politics/senate-intelligence-report-russia-election-interference-efforts/index.html
Trump and his staff knowingly entered this dialog.


This is why Trump and Barr targeted Barr, but not Loeffler, for insider trading. They're both culpable, but Barr was the chair of that committee.

The bi-partisan findings do corroborate Mueller re: extensive extra-curricular activities between Trump associates and the Russians. Anyone who would deny this now doesn't care about the truth. No legit president has his people work to build backchannels with Russia unless they are trying to conduct illegal activities that betrays their country.

Trump is a traitor

We have never had a traitor occupying the White House. That they are a multitude of other things like a white nationalist, probable rapist and pedophile, money launderer, charity and election fraudster makes it incomparable to any other situation in the history of this country.

And anyone who mitigates the danger and evil of Trump by playing the all politics is corrupt meme game is an asshat. We should be unified behind the Democrats now because the planet's life depends on it, but the left is full of brats that want to spend all of their energy on their grievances against the DNC and the candidates when they had their whole lifetimes already to go and start a third party and run their own slate of candidates. But they never did and probably never will.

The contrast between the two options is literally life or death. We lose, we die, your friends die, your family dies. They will die at the hands of a brutal regime, at the hands of cops looking for pay back, at the mercy of an enviroment heating up to point of no return. You will be disappeared without habeous corpus by men in unmarked vans. You will be poisoned by the factory in your backyard.

THIS IS FASCISM STARING YOU IN THE FACE AND SOME OF YOU BABIES WANT TO EXTRACT YOUR POUND OF FLESH FROM THE BIDENS OF THE WORLD INSTEAD. GROW THE F UP! The only thing that matters now is winning. Sorry if that is too controversial for some of you.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1558 » by NowWHYcee7 » Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:55 pm

GONYK wrote:Also, it's worth pointing out that Kamala Harris is the only person on either side of the Presidential ticket with a net positive rating at this time.

That's interesting for someone I keep hearing nobody likes.


Stop it guy. She couldn’t even win her own state. You can’t be serious. Only reason she’s on the ticket is because she checks the identity politics boxes, and satiates the base who was going to vote Democrat anyway. Democrats see black people as stupid and gullible, but more and more black people are waking up to the fact that their lives haven’t improved under democratic leadership. Real life is not the Twittersphere, lots and lots of people don’t like Kamala Harris and know she is a phony. Once we get closer to November all her dirty laundry will be exposed to a wider audience in comaprison to the primaries. Her record is abysmal and doesn’t correspond to what she claims to represent. She is a fraud through and through. Wait till the memes really start popping off and it’s a wrap for her.

After Biden loses I hope you guys are prepared for the inevitable exodus from the Democratic Party, because believe me it’s coming.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1559 » by NowWHYcee7 » Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:00 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
rammagen wrote:The russia stuff is not fake unless you think the congressional report from a bipartisan group is fake too.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/18/politics/senate-intelligence-report-russia-election-interference-efforts/index.html
Trump and his staff knowingly entered this dialog.


This is why Trump and Barr targeted Barr, but not Loeffler, for insider trading. They're both culpable, but Barr was the chair of that committee.

The bi-partisan findings do corroborate Mueller re: extensive extra-curricular activities between Trump associates and the Russians. Anyone who would deny this now doesn't care about the truth. No legit president has his people work to build backchannels with Russia unless they are trying to conduct illegal activities that betrays their country.

Trump is a traitor

We have never had a traitor occupying the White House. That they are a multitude of other things like a white nationalist, probable rapist and pedophile, money launderer, charity and election fraudster makes it incomparable to any other situation in the history of this country.

And anyone who mitigates the danger and evil of Trump by playing the all politics is corrupt meme game is an asshat. We should be unified behind the Democrats now because the planet's life depends on it, but the left is full of brats that want to spend all of their energy on their grievances against the DNC and the candidates when they had their whole lifetimes already to go and start a third party and run their own slate of candidates. But they never did and probably never will.

The contrast between the two options is literally life or death. We lose, we die, your friends die, your family dies. They will die at the hands of a brutal regime, at the hands of cops looking for pay back, at the mercy of an enviroment heating up to point of no return. You will be disappeared without habeous corpus by men in unmarked vans. You will be poisoned by the factory in your backyard.

THIS IS FASCISM STARING YOU IN THE FACE AND SOME OF YOU BABIES WANT TO EXTRACT YOUR POUND OF FLESH FROM THE BIDENS OF THE WORLD INSTEAD. GROW THE F UP! The only thing that matters now is winning. Sorry if that is too controversial for some of you.


Oh shut up with this Russia crap already.

When Trump goes at China you call him a racist. China is 1 million times more evil than Russia and a much bigger threat to our interests, but you guys won’t speak on it because they aren’t white or something. Get real.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1560 » by Pointgod » Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:02 pm

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Lol don’t move the goal posts now. If you support Biden you should be worried that this is a CNN polls of all things. It’s not like I’m quoting a poll of foxnews viewers. All I’m telling you is that if you are drinking the kool aid and think you have this in the bag this time, you’ve learned nothing from 4 years ago. Biden was the wrong pick, his VP is unlikable and phony, and the Democratic Party is openly shunning it’s progressive wing which by all measures is the future of any hope the left has in this country.


You can’t use a single poll that you favour to make your argument. That’s like saying two players on opposing teams have the same amount of points, therefore the total team points must be tied. You should be looking at the average of polls, especially at the state level.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/

If you look at the averages Biden is outside the margin of error in FL, MI, WIS, PEN, MIN. He’s also up but within the margin of error in AZ, NC, OH. Trump is up within the margin of error in the following states TX, GA, IOWA. Remember margin of error works both ways. If Biden wins the first 5 states I’ve highlighted then it’s effectively over because Trump not only has to win those other 6 states, he also needs to flip blue states that he’s currently down big in right now. The path to victory is not easy for Trump

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