2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2

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[damedash09]

: Kispet is very much like Kyle korver or any 1 dimensional sniper

Stay glued to him and he is useless

Plus he will be a defensive liability

The baylor guards id be fine with either one

[Zenzibar]

Wasnt Dame 22

cj

Mitchell is almost a year older than Dame and CJ

So? What's with you guys and age, Obi got yall pigeon-holed?...

[knickstape4ever]

I have no idea why he’s mocked as a lottery pick

fingers crossed we don't draft him

I can absolutely see Thibs wanting him b/c he's older and more "NBA ready"

history of 22 y/o lotto picks is bad.....and hopefully Obi is a cautionary tale for them

With the #9th pick the New York Knicks select Corey kispert. Seems inevitable

if Bouknight is there, they can't pass

[3toheadmelo]

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cj

Mitchell is almost a year older than Dame and CJ

So? What's with you guys and age, Obi got yall pigeon-holed?...

I posted every top-20 pick that was 22 and over (since 2008) and most were busts, at best role players. not 1 star

I'm a huge Mitchell fan, but the ceiling may not be as high as some other, younger prospects

[3toheadmelo]

fingers crossed we don't draft him

I can absolutely see Thibs wanting him b/c he's older and more "NBA ready"

history of 22 y/o lotto picks is bad.....and hopefully Obi is a cautionary tale for them

With the #9th pick the New York Knicks select Corey kispert. Seems inevitable

if Bouknight is there, they can't pass

Yeah he is a no brainer for me. Take him and run

[HerSports85]

Cashing out on FanDuel. Knew Butler wouldn’t let me down. On to the NBA we go.

[knickstape4ever]

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Butler would be great w/ the Mavs pick

I think he's a better version of IQ

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cj

Mitchell is almost a year older than Dame and CJ

So? What's with you guys and age, Obi got yall pigeon-holed?...

I don’t mind one of butler or Mitchell + a higher upside pick in a josh giddey.

[Zenzibar]

Mitchell is almost a year older than Dame and CJ

So? What's with you guys and age, Obi got yall pigeon-holed?...

I posted every top-20 pick that was 22 and over (since 2008) and most were busts, at best role players. not 1 star

I'm a huge Mitchell fan, but the ceiling may not be as high as some other, younger prospects

John Starks (23) and Fred VanVleet (22) weren't even drafted.

[El Poochio]

: Kispet is very much like Kyle korver or any 1 dimensional sniper

Stay glued to him and he is useless

Plus he will be a defensive liability

The baylor guards id be fine with either one

Staying glued to him is exactly where his worth comes

Its much easier for the offense to score when they are working against 4 men instead of 5

[Juco24]

I'd easily take Butler/Mitchell over our current backcourt

[Deeeez Knicks]

Kispert will have a role in the league. Teams are always looking for great shooters. I wouldnt take him top 10 but in the teens he is a good pick.

But get me Mitchell. Age is def a factor when it comes to the draft. But there are always exceptions and Mitchell is the type of player I would bet on. Even if he doesnt become a star looks like a good player. Butler looks good too.

[MeloNY]

I would love if we could get Mitchell. He's exactly what we need. An elite defender, is terrific off the dribble, a great passer, and can stroke it from deep. Butler is a nice consolation prize but Mitchell is the real prize. I'm glad his age is a concern, maybe he'll actually drop to us because of it.

[jvsimonetti0514]

i'm completely ok with us taking mitchell and he is old af, too

22 and older Top-20 picks since 2008
PLAYER AGE (YEARS.DAYS) PICK — DRAFT YEAR
Tyler Hansborough
23.240
13th — 2009

Buddy Hield
23.194
6th — 2016

Adrien Payne
23.133
15th — 2014

Cameron Johnson
23.114
11th — 2019

Delon Wright
23.065
20th — 2015

Ekpe Udoh
23.041
6th — 2010

Brandon Rush
22.360
13th — 2008

Wesley Johnson
22.354
4th — 2010

Jerian Grant
22.264
19th — 2015

Obi Toppin
22.258
8th— 2020

Denzel Valentine
22.225
14th — 2016

Andrew Nicholson
22.208
19th — 2012

Doug McDermott
22.180
11th — 2014

Tyler Zeller
22.168
17th — 2012

Hasheem Thabeet
22.135
2nd — 2009

James Johsnon
22.131
16th — 2009

Jimmer Fredette
22.123
10th — 2011

Matisse Thybulle
22.113
20th — 2019

Kris Dunn
22.103
5th — 2016

Taureen Prince
22.099
12th — 2016

Justin Jackson
22.092
15th — 2017

Frank Kaminsky
22.087
9th — 2015

Kelly Olynyk
22.075
13th — 2013

Eric Maynor
22.020
20th — 2009

Terrance Williams
22.003
11th — 2009

I'm a big Mitchell fan and watching him, he reminds me of a poor man's, less athletic/explosive Donovan Mitchell

obviously every situation/player is different, but the draft history of 22 y/o's is bad, and no stars have emerged from that group

Mitchell's shot may not be real either, he's shooting 63% from the line and hasn't shot over 70% from the line in three years. A 22 year old small guard that can't make freethrows? Scary stuff.

5 attempts per game at nearly 45% doesn’t seem fake to me. Especially since he does take a decent amount of off the dribbles threes. Also you gotta remember colleges games are shorter too. That’s really high volume in those amount of minutes.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

22 and older Top-20 picks since 2008
PLAYER AGE (YEARS.DAYS) PICK — DRAFT YEAR
Tyler Hansborough
23.240
13th — 2009

Buddy Hield
23.194
6th — 2016

Adrien Payne
23.133
15th — 2014

Cameron Johnson
23.114
11th — 2019

Delon Wright
23.065
20th — 2015

Ekpe Udoh
23.041
6th — 2010

Brandon Rush
22.360
13th — 2008

Wesley Johnson
22.354
4th — 2010

Jerian Grant
22.264
19th — 2015

Obi Toppin
22.258
8th— 2020

Denzel Valentine
22.225
14th — 2016

Andrew Nicholson
22.208
19th — 2012

Doug McDermott
22.180
11th — 2014

Tyler Zeller
22.168
17th — 2012

Hasheem Thabeet
22.135
2nd — 2009

James Johsnon
22.131
16th — 2009

Jimmer Fredette
22.123
10th — 2011

Matisse Thybulle
22.113
20th — 2019

Kris Dunn
22.103
5th — 2016

Taureen Prince
22.099
12th — 2016

Justin Jackson
22.092
15th — 2017

Frank Kaminsky
22.087
9th — 2015

Kelly Olynyk
22.075
13th — 2013

Eric Maynor
22.020
20th — 2009

Terrance Williams
22.003
11th — 2009

I'm a big Mitchell fan and watching him, he reminds me of a poor man's, less athletic/explosive Donovan Mitchell

obviously every situation/player is different, but the draft history of 22 y/o's is bad, and no stars have emerged from that group

Mitchell's shot may not be real either, he's shooting 63% from the line and hasn't shot over 70% from the line in three years. A 22 year old small guard that can't make freethrows? Scary stuff.

5 attempts per game at nearly 45% doesn’t seem fake to me. Especially since he does take a decent amount of off the dribbles threes. Also you gotta remember colleges games are shorter too. That’s really high volume in those amount of minutes.

Freethrow percentage is a better indicator of potential shooting at the next level, he's at 63% from the line. Fultz and Lonzo shot threes at a high volume and good percentage in college, both were better freethrow shooters than Mitchell and both have needed to completely rebuild their shots in the NBA.

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[3toheadmelo]

Mitchell's shot may not be real either, he's shooting 63% from the line and hasn't shot over 70% from the line in three years. A 22 year old small guard that can't make freethrows? Scary stuff.

5 attempts per game at nearly 45% doesn’t seem fake to me. Especially since he does take a decent amount of off the dribbles threes. Also you gotta remember colleges games are shorter too. That’s really high volume in those amount of minutes.

Freethrow percentage is a better indicator of potential shooting at the next level, he's at 63% from the line. Fultz and Lonzo shot threes at a high volume and good percentage in college, both were better freethrow shooters than Mitchell and both have needed to completely rebuild their shots in the NBA.

Jaylen Brown was a poor free throw shooter but is a pretty good 3 point shooter.
Nick Anderson, Bruce Bowen are other examples. If you are a poor free throw shooter but can hit 3's at good volume, it's pretty likely that the issues at the line are mental, instead of having bad mechanics.

[jvsimonetti0514]

Mitchell's shot may not be real either, he's shooting 63% from the line and hasn't shot over 70% from the line in three years. A 22 year old small guard that can't make freethrows? Scary stuff.

5 attempts per game at nearly 45% doesn’t seem fake to me. Especially since he does take a decent amount of off the dribbles threes. Also you gotta remember colleges games are shorter too. That’s really high volume in those amount of minutes.

Freethrow percentage is a better indicator of potential shooting at the next level, he's at 63% from the line. Fultz and Lonzo shot threes at a high volume and good percentage in college, both were better freethrow shooters than Mitchell and both have needed to completely rebuild their shots in the NBA.

According to basketball reference, Mitchell is 65% from the line this year. Even his career average is 66%, So where did you get that 63 number from? I don't think using Fultz and Lonzo are good examples of what you're trying to prove TBH. Just cuz Fultz messed up his shoulder though and Lonzo's had a super busted form. Everyone knew Lonzo was going to have to change that to have any success. Not to mention Lonzo shot 56% from the line last year, while shooting 37.5% from three. I don't think Mitchell's form is busted and I certainly hope he doesn't end up with some freak shoulder injury that almost pushes him out of the league either.

I can find just as many counter examples of people that didn't shoot well from the free throw line, that ended up decent three point shooters. Our boy RJ, is the first example that comes to mind. He's back up to 36% now from three and he's pretty subpar from the line. Vassell and LaMelo are good examples of this from last years draft. Neither of them were particularly strong free throw shooters and are good shooters in the NBA. PJ Washington wasn't a great free throw shooter either and his jumper has translated just fine as well.