Trades and Transactions Ideas Thread

[thebuzzardman]

I'd argue they found that star that makes the team "make sense" already with OG

He's a role player. A great one, but a role player still.

Who's the 2nd creating scorer? Don't say Randle.

Why wouldn't I say the 2x All-NBA player who was putting up 24/9/5 a night before his injury?

Because he's not true 3 level scorer/wing.

I don't think a 4 who plays "kind of like a wing, sometimes", is what wins in today's NBA.

Boston's left. Two all star wings.
Mavs will be left, two all star wings.

Knicks need another star wing.

Otherwise, this all just the shiniest of treadmills.

[Fury]

He's a role player. A great one, but a role player still.

Who's the 2nd creating scorer? Don't say Randle.

Why wouldn't I say the 2x All-NBA player who was putting up 24/9/5 a night before his injury?

Because he's not true 3 level scorer/wing.

I don't think a 4 who plays "kind of like a wing, sometimes", is what wins in today's NBA.

Boston's left. Two all star wings.
Mavs will be left, two all star wings.

Knicks need another star wing.

Otherwise, this all just the shiniest of treadmills.

We can't be prisoner of the moment though. Last year it was Jokic and the Heat with their 1 wing star. Year before it was Curry and roleplayers and I guess the two wing stars in Boston.

Who was the year before? I think we have something here with the offensive rebounding. We should aim to be the greatest rebounding team in NBA History.

[thebuzzardman]

Knicks right now:

[thebuzzardman]

Why wouldn't I say the 2x All-NBA player who was putting up 24/9/5 a night before his injury?

Because he's not true 3 level scorer/wing.

I don't think a 4 who plays "kind of like a wing, sometimes", is what wins in today's NBA.

Boston's left. Two all star wings.
Mavs will be left, two all star wings.

Knicks need another star wing.

Otherwise, this all just the shiniest of treadmills.

We can't be prisoner of the moment though. Last year it was Jokic and the Heat with their 1 wing star. Year before it was Curry and roleplayers and I guess the two wing stars in Boston.

Who was the year before? I think we have something here with the offensive rebounding. We should aim to be the greatest rebounding team in NBA History.

Gold
Plated
Treadmill

[knicks94]

Why wouldn't I say the 2x All-NBA player who was putting up 24/9/5 a night before his injury?

Because he's not true 3 level scorer/wing.

I don't think a 4 who plays "kind of like a wing, sometimes", is what wins in today's NBA.

Boston's left. Two all star wings.
Mavs will be left, two all star wings.

Knicks need another star wing.

Otherwise, this all just the shiniest of treadmills.

We can't be prisoner of the moment though. Last year it was Jokic and the Heat with their 1 wing star. Year before it was Curry and roleplayers and I guess the two wing stars in Boston.

Who was the year before? I think we have something here with the offensive rebounding. We should aim to be the greatest rebounding team in NBA History.

I agree, what if the Knicks end up trying to duplicate what the last team accomplished and fall on their face?

[sol537]

I tend to agree.

I think the only "star" upgrade to make would be replacing Randle with either a wing or guard who can replicate Randle's production but with maybe a bit more efficiency and trust that it translates to a playoff scenario.

Other than that, I think continuing to horde and acquire high end role players or young guys who you think fit that mold that may be undervalued in other situations.

A sneaky star play i'm keeping a small eye on would be trading for Jimmy. The vibes in that Pat Riley press conference were just so off... I don't think it's out of the question that they make him available and I don't think the list of suitors would be as big as some may assume given his age, injury history, and reportedly wanting a contract extension. He's no doubt a Thibs fit and does a lot of what Julius does but has proven he can do it in high leverage situations. There are downsides and risk involved for sure but he brings a lot of stuff to the table that I think you can say would push us over the top IMO.

They're absolutely trading Jimmy.

I agree. He'd be a good fit. But the window is short.

Giannis and Booker are likely the top targets imo but I don't think either becomes available.

The question with Jimmy is how much of the future are you kissing goodbye for maybe 2 years of production

Gun to head... if Jimmy and PG13 are both available for the same package... which one do you pick?

Package: Mitch, Bogs, McBride, couple of 1sts

[GONYK]

Why wouldn't I say the 2x All-NBA player who was putting up 24/9/5 a night before his injury?

Because he's not true 3 level scorer/wing.

I don't think a 4 who plays "kind of like a wing, sometimes", is what wins in today's NBA.

Boston's left. Two all star wings.
Mavs will be left, two all star wings.

Knicks need another star wing.

Otherwise, this all just the shiniest of treadmills.

We can't be prisoner of the moment though. Last year it was Jokic and the Heat with their 1 wing star. Year before it was Curry and roleplayers and I guess the two wing stars in Boston.

Who was the year before? I think we have something here with the offensive rebounding. We should aim to be the greatest rebounding team in NBA History.

Bingo. When we ran roughshod over the league, it didn't seem to matter that Randle was a pure 4 since we were generating offense a number of different ways and our defense was taking care of the rest.

[GONYK]

They're absolutely trading Jimmy.

I agree. He'd be a good fit. But the window is short.

Giannis and Booker are likely the top targets imo but I don't think either becomes available.

The question with Jimmy is how much of the future are you kissing goodbye for maybe 2 years of production

Gun to head... if Jimmy and PG13 are both available for the same package... which one do you pick?

Package: Mitch, Bogs, McBride, couple of 1sts

PG

[Knicksfan1992]

They're absolutely trading Jimmy.

I agree. He'd be a good fit. But the window is short.

Giannis and Booker are likely the top targets imo but I don't think either becomes available.

The question with Jimmy is how much of the future are you kissing goodbye for maybe 2 years of production

Gun to head... if Jimmy and PG13 are both available for the same package... which one do you pick?

Package: Mitch, Bogs, McBride, couple of 1sts

It's funny they couldn't be more different in terms of stylistically how they play and what their approach to the game is but both probably come with the same amount of risk. They're basically the same age. They both want contract extensions that will take them into their late 30's. Both have had issues with injuries at bad times.

I think it comes down to personal preference and who you think fits better with Brunson.

I lean Jimmy... I think he's more of a culture fit. I don't think being in NY will intimidate him any way and I actually think it would kind of revitalize him in a way. PG has a checkered playoff history. Jimmy, when healthy, has always elevated his game come playoff time. I do worry that his game is destined to just fall off a cliff because a lot of what he relies on just doesn't tend to age well while I think PG being as tall as he is and as good of a shooter as he is has an easier transition ahead of him to role player. But i'm not acquiring either of these guys for 3-4 years down the road, I'm acquiring them because I think I can win a title in the next 2 years. In that case, I think Jimmy helps the Knicks, specifically, do that better than PG would IMO.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Because he's not true 3 level scorer/wing.

I don't think a 4 who plays "kind of like a wing, sometimes", is what wins in today's NBA.

Boston's left. Two all star wings.
Mavs will be left, two all star wings.

Knicks need another star wing.

the shiniest of treadmills.

We can't be prisoner of the moment though. Last year it was Jokic and the Heat with their 1 wing star. Year before it was Curry and roleplayers and I guess the two wing stars in Boston.

Who was the year before? I think we have something here with the offensive rebounding. We should aim to be the greatest rebounding team in NBA History.

Bingo. When we ran roughshod over the league, it didn't seem to matter that Randle was a pure 4 since we were generating offense a number of different ways and our defense was taking care of the rest.

Fully healthy this team would have went 8-0 to get to the ECF and then give BOS a tough series at the very least. Solidify the depth and hope Thibs focuses on keeping them healthy as opposed to making them run through brick walls for 82 games.

Obviously if a star that makes sense becomes available you want to be in on that conversation but, as of today, there is nothing to see. Running it back and upgrading the depth makes the most sense right now. Another couple of weeks and the FA/trade landscape may change and we can jump in on the rumor mill talk. Apparently people forgot what we played like in January. We were monsters.

[thebuzzardman]

We can't be prisoner of the moment though. Last year it was Jokic and the Heat with their 1 wing star. Year before it was Curry and roleplayers and I guess the two wing stars in Boston.

Who was the year before? I think we have something here with the offensive rebounding. We should aim to be the greatest rebounding team in NBA History.

Bingo. When we ran roughshod over the league, it didn't seem to matter that Randle was a pure 4 since we were generating offense a number of different ways and our defense was taking care of the rest.

Fully healthy this team would have went 8-0 to get to the ECF and then give BOS a tough series at the very least. Solidify the depth and hope Thibs focuses on keeping them healthy as opposed to making them run through brick walls for 82 games.

Obviously if a star that makes sense becomes available you want to be in on that conversation but, as of today, there is nothing to see. Running it back and upgrading the depth makes the most sense right now. Another couple of weeks and the FA/trade landscape may change and we can jump in on the rumor mill talk. Apparently people forgot what we played like in January. We were monsters.

[Capn'O]

Bingo. When we ran roughshod over the league, it didn't seem to matter that Randle was a pure 4 since we were generating offense a number of different ways and our defense was taking care of the rest.

Fully healthy this team would have went 8-0 to get to the ECF and then give BOS a tough series at the very least. Solidify the depth and hope Thibs focuses on keeping them healthy as opposed to making them run through brick walls for 82 games.

Obviously if a star that makes sense becomes available you want to be in on that conversation but, as of today, there is nothing to see. Running it back and upgrading the depth makes the most sense right now. Another couple of weeks and the FA/trade landscape may change and we can jump in on the rumor mill talk. Apparently people forgot what we played like in January. We were monsters.

You're better than this.

[WargamesX]

It is interesting to see how the Knicks brass has postured publicly through the beat that they are star hunting this summer when there doesn't seem to be a natural target emerging.

A few things at play I think are:
-The “era of parity” that Adam Silver has started to bring into fruition has muddied the waters of who is actually a title contender and who isn’t. We have a 4, 3, and 6 seed in the conference finals… Even 5 years ago this would have been inconceivable. There are way more teams that can talk themselves into being able to make a conference finals than ever before IMO. In turn that makes player movement less predictable without inside info.
-The lack of a defined “top 10” players in the league may have some teams over-valuing and under-valuing certain stars.
-The Knicks have built a team around 2 odd-ball top players. One of them is an undersized point guard who isn’t overly athletic in a traditional sense and the other is a bowling ball pure 4. You just don’t see many good teams built this way. So I think part of the reason we don’t see what “star” makes sense for us is that our team doesn’t really make sense in a “conventional” way. This is what I think is the biggest challenge for the FO. Finding a star or good player who not only upgrades us talent-wise but also fits a very different structure in a successful team.

Looks like Leon formulated a strategy for an NBA that no longer exists. Solid long term planning.

I want to push back on that and say the cap management we’ve seen goes hand in hand with the changes to the NBA. Especially as the league stopped the potential advantage of a “KD to the warriors” FA scenario by smoothing the cap raises.

Teams that are out of touch are teams like the Suns who are still clinging to a big three. The league is now two max stars and additional high level guys on reasonable contracts or rookie contracts.

The Knicks are subverting that by saying “we don’t have a traditional top 5 guy, maybe not even a traditional top 10” so let’s get a bunch of guys who could be in the top 20 and pay them like they are in the top 30, and overwhelm those other teams with overall roster depth.

The Knicks are doing Moneyball and it could actually work.

[Wildcat]

The question with Jimmy is how much of the future are you kissing goodbye for maybe 2 years of production

Gun to head... if Jimmy and PG13 are both available for the same package... which one do you pick?

Package: Mitch, Bogs, McBride, couple of 1sts

It's funny they couldn't be more different in terms of stylistically how they play and what their approach to the game is but both probably come with the same amount of risk. They're basically the same age. They both want contract extensions that will take them into their late 30's. Both have had issues with injuries at bad times.

I think it comes down to personal preference and who you think fits better with Brunson.

I lean Jimmy... I think he's more of a culture fit. I don't think being in NY will intimidate him any way and I actually think it would kind of revitalize him in a way. PG has a checkered playoff history. Jimmy, when healthy, has always elevated his game come playoff time. I do worry that his game is destined to just fall off a cliff because a lot of what he relies on just doesn't tend to age well while I think PG being as tall as he is and as good of a shooter as he is has an easier transition ahead of him to role player. But i'm not acquiring either of these guys for 3-4 years down the road, I'm acquiring them because I think I can win a title in the next 2 years. In that case, I think Jimmy helps the Knicks, specifically, do that better than PG would IMO.

It's funny you say that, because I was thinking about it in a different set of optics. Paul George had his best season in years because of the pending contract. Jimmy got caught up in "turning it up" in March and April. He's probably going to have a Paul George like season next year because I don't see them giving him an extension this offseason.

[sol537]

It is interesting to see how the Knicks brass has postured publicly through the beat that they are star hunting this summer when there doesn't seem to be a natural target emerging.

A few things at play I think are:
-The “era of parity” that Adam Silver has started to bring into fruition has muddied the waters of who is actually a title contender and who isn’t. We have a 4, 3, and 6 seed in the conference finals… Even 5 years ago this would have been inconceivable. There are way more teams that can talk themselves into being able to make a conference finals than ever before IMO. In turn that makes player movement less predictable without inside info.
-The lack of a defined “top 10” players in the league may have some teams over-valuing and under-valuing certain stars.
-The Knicks have built a team around 2 odd-ball top players. One of them is an undersized point guard who isn’t overly athletic in a traditional sense and the other is a bowling ball pure 4. You just don’t see many good teams built this way. So I think part of the reason we don’t see what “star” makes sense for us is that our team doesn’t really make sense in a “conventional” way. This is what I think is the biggest challenge for the FO. Finding a star or good player who not only upgrades us talent-wise but also fits a very different structure in a successful team.

Looks like Leon formulated a strategy for an NBA that no longer exists. Solid long term planning.

I want to push back on that and say the cap management we’ve seen goes hand in hand with the changes to the NBA. Especially as the league stopped the potential advantage of a “KD to the warriors” FA scenario by smoothing the cap raises.

Teams that are out of touch are teams like the Suns who are still clinging to a big three. The league is now two max stars and additional high level guys on reasonable contracts or rookie contracts.

The Knicks are subverting that by saying “we don’t have a traditional top 5 guy, maybe not even a traditional top 10” so let’s get a bunch of guys who could be in the top 20 and pay them like they are in the top 30, and overwhelm those other teams with overall roster depth.

The Knicks are doing Moneyball and it could actually work.

If iHart signs the 17m deal... if OG opts-in and extends (unlikely, I know)... if Brunson extends for 4-years at the lower amount... and if Randle extends for a lesser amount... NYK are definitely going the moneyball route and it might just work...

[sol537]

The question with Jimmy is how much of the future are you kissing goodbye for maybe 2 years of production

Gun to head... if Jimmy and PG13 are both available for the same package... which one do you pick?

Package: Mitch, Bogs, McBride, couple of 1sts

It's funny they couldn't be more different in terms of stylistically how they play and what their approach to the game is but both probably come with the same amount of risk. They're basically the same age. They both want contract extensions that will take them into their late 30's. Both have had issues with injuries at bad times.

I think it comes down to personal preference and who you think fits better with Brunson.

I lean Jimmy... I think he's more of a culture fit. I don't think being in NY will intimidate him any way and I actually think it would kind of revitalize him in a way. PG has a checkered playoff history. Jimmy, when healthy, has always elevated his game come playoff time. I do worry that his game is destined to just fall off a cliff because a lot of what he relies on just doesn't tend to age well while I think PG being as tall as he is and as good of a shooter as he is has an easier transition ahead of him to role player. But i'm not acquiring either of these guys for 3-4 years down the road, I'm acquiring them because I think I can win a title in the next 2 years. In that case, I think Jimmy helps the Knicks, specifically, do that better than PG would IMO.

It's a tough one but I tend to agree. If Jimmy wants a title, NYK may give him a great shot at it with this current core. I just can't see MIA and NYK doing a deal... do you?

[WargamesX]

Looks like Leon formulated a strategy for an NBA that no longer exists. Solid long term planning.

I want to push back on that and say the cap management we’ve seen goes hand in hand with the changes to the NBA. Especially as the league stopped the potential advantage of a “KD to the warriors” FA scenario by smoothing the cap raises.

Teams that are out of touch are teams like the Suns who are still clinging to a big three. The league is now two max stars and additional high level guys on reasonable contracts or rookie contracts.

The Knicks are subverting that by saying “we don’t have a traditional top 5 guy, maybe not even a traditional top 10” so let’s get a bunch of guys who could be in the top 20 and pay them like they are in the top 30, and overwhelm those other teams with overall roster depth.

The Knicks are doing Moneyball and it could actually work.

If iHart signs the 17m deal... if OG opts-in and extends (unlikely, I know)... if Brunson extends for 4-years at the lower amount... and if Randle extends for a lesser amount... NYK are definitely going the moneyball route and it might just work...

I think the signs have been there for year's that’s what we are doing. This summer should be them adding in the final pieces.

[thebuzzardman]

I want to push back on that and say the cap management we’ve seen goes hand in hand with the changes to the NBA. Especially as the league stopped the potential advantage of a “KD to the warriors” FA scenario by smoothing the cap raises.

Teams that are out of touch are teams like the Suns who are still clinging to a big three. The league is now two max stars and additional high level guys on reasonable contracts or rookie contracts.

The Knicks are subverting that by saying “we don’t have a traditional top 5 guy, maybe not even a traditional top 10” so let’s get a bunch of guys who could be in the top 20 and pay them like they are in the top 30, and overwhelm those other teams with overall roster depth.

The Knicks are doing Moneyball and it could actually work.

If iHart signs the 17m deal... if OG opts-in and extends (unlikely, I know)... if Brunson extends for 4-years at the lower amount... and if Randle extends for a lesser amount... NYK are definitely going the moneyball route and it might just work...

I think the signs have been there for year's that’s what we are doing. This summer should be them adding in the final pieces.

I think it's Bridges, in spite of the fact no one thinks the Nets will deal him to the Knicks.

Using the $ of Bogs & Mitch and around 4 picks.

Mitch probably get routed to another team. Nets trade Bogs at the deadline for more picks.

[WargamesX]

If iHart signs the 17m deal... if OG opts-in and extends (unlikely, I know)... if Brunson extends for 4-years at the lower amount... and if Randle extends for a lesser amount... NYK are definitely going the moneyball route and it might just work...

I think the signs have been there for year's that’s what we are doing. This summer should be them adding in the final pieces.

I think it's Bridges, in spite of the fact no one thinks the Nets will deal him to the Knicks.

Using the $ of Bogs & Mitch and around 4 picks.

Mitch probably get routed to another team. Nets trade Bogs at the deadline for more picks.

Maybe, though I think it’s gonna be McBride.

Either way, it all speculation but it fits a moneyball approach of getting pieces that fits the team and can play under Thibs.

[thebuzzardman]

I think the signs have been there for year's that’s what we are doing. This summer should be them adding in the final pieces.

I think it's Bridges, in spite of the fact no one thinks the Nets will deal him to the Knicks.

Using the $ of Bogs & Mitch and around 4 picks.

Mitch probably get routed to another team. Nets trade Bogs at the deadline for more picks.

Maybe, though I think it’s gonna be McBride.

Either way, it all speculation but it fits a moneyball approach of getting pieces that fits the team and can play under Thibs.

Aller is part of the FO for a reason.

I think there is no way the Knicks ever hit the 2nd apron; new CBA teams lose way too much maneuverability.
I wonder if they'll hit the first apron. Probably only for a slam dunk big upgrade.
They will absolutely trade one, if not two of the 3 picks upcoming, because Knicks want to always be able to trade picks in potential future trades.