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Re: Trades and Transactions thread cont - post Mikal trade 

Post#1541 » by F N 11 » Thu Jul 4, 2024 9:06 pm

mpharris36 wrote:Opening up that 5 mm TPMLE screams Lowry since there isn't a big on the market any good right now.

I would like precious but more as a 3rd string. If he's the backup he's one Mitch injury away from starting.

People sleep on Lowry. He can be annoying for 15 mins in the playoffs. This team has his edge. Locker room guy and went to Nova. I’m on record not minding Lowry.
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Re: Trades and Transactions thread cont - post Mikal trade 

Post#1542 » by evevale » Thu Jul 4, 2024 9:08 pm

jalen & josh thoughts on pacome dadiet

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Re: Trades and Transactions thread cont - post Mikal trade 

Post#1543 » by stuporman » Thu Jul 4, 2024 9:10 pm

Rose 'leaked' wanting Brunson and Mitchell by going to a playoff game courtside they both were playing in...how could anyone have figured that one out.

The Nova boys been talking about MB for like a year and had him on a podcast talking about it...wow, the leaks!!!

Everybody and their mother lined up for OG and Masai trumpeted it...oh the leaks!!!

Plus, if Rose and Co calls another team about a player or they call about a Knicks player who's to say it's the Knicks FO that leaks it? The twitter mob does...couldn't be the other FO leaking it, right?

People fall for the stupidest chit and are confused when someone else didn't fall for it :rofl:

I'm sure stuff gets leaked sometimes but I don't fall for the social media rumor trash, it's Knicks for clicks.

You want to? Have at it... :rofl:
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Re: Trades and Transactions thread cont - post Mikal trade 

Post#1544 » by stuporman » Thu Jul 4, 2024 9:19 pm

evevale wrote:jalen & josh thoughts on pacome dadiet



I'm on da diet... :rofl:
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Re: Trades and Transactions thread cont - post Mikal trade 

Post#1545 » by JayTWill » Thu Jul 4, 2024 9:21 pm

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R-DAWG furiously searching for the bad news :D


I actually think this post was good news. It shows that the Knicks have flexibility to do all 3 of (a) use the tax MLE (b) resign precious with bird rights and (c) keep a roster spot/room under the 2nd apron open for a buyout candidate at the deadline.

Stating the obvious that the knicks are hard caped isn’t bad news, it’s a fact

And this system was designed to level the playing field with organizations that didn’t care about the repeater tax. Again - another fact.

I don't think they are hard capped yet, though. In fairness, the new CBA is complicated as ****


I think the Mikal trade was going to hard cap them no matter what unless they sent out 1 single salary larger than Mikal's salary.

Sending out less salary than you receive would trigger a cap at the first apron. (Bogey's salary was less than Mikal's)

Aggregating multiple salaries to complete the trade triggers a cap at the second apron. (Bogey + Shake +Diakite)

So unless the Knicks sent out one single salary larger than Mikal's (Brunson or Randle) there was going to be a hard cap at one of the aprons no matter what but I may be wrong. They chose the extra flexibility created at the cap for the second apron.

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Re: Trades and Transactions thread cont - post Mikal trade 

Post#1546 » by thebuzzardman » Thu Jul 4, 2024 9:30 pm

Buttah304 wrote:Leon explaining to Ainge he don’t play games

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Re: Trades and Transactions thread cont - post Mikal trade 

Post#1547 » by Jalen Bluntson » Thu Jul 4, 2024 9:34 pm

DOT wrote:lol someone's got brain leakage here alright :lol:


Well...you exaggerating doesn't mean we leak things. OG trade came out of nowhere. Bridges trade came out of nowhere. Hart trade came out of nowhere. DDV wasn't a known target either. If you think hearing we are interested in players constitutes a leak, then that's your opinion. We are linked to every player available all of the time. The trades are pretty much done before we even know they are going to happen. Maybe a few days in advance if at all.
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Re: Trades and Transactions thread cont - post Mikal trade 

Post#1548 » by WargamesX » Thu Jul 4, 2024 9:35 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
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mpharris36 wrote:Opening up that 5 mm TPMLE screams Lowry since there isn't a big on the market any good right now.

I would like precious but more as a 3rd string. If he's the backup he's one Mitch injury away from starting.

I can definitely see it going to Lowry.

However there are a decent amount of back up PG’s still not signed and none of them are so good I don’t see them accepting 2/$10.



There ain't a lot of teams with cap space remaining. And I don't see anyone outside of Tyus Jones warranting the full MLE type money.

I think Lowry is more a vet min to TPMLE guy

There are a few legit options out there still not signed to a team who might get squeezed into taking a minimum. 2/$10 is good money on the back up PG market.
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Post#1549 » by Jalen Bluntson » Thu Jul 4, 2024 9:37 pm

JayTWill wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
R-DAWG wrote:
I actually think this post was good news. It shows that the Knicks have flexibility to do all 3 of (a) use the tax MLE (b) resign precious with bird rights and (c) keep a roster spot/room under the 2nd apron open for a buyout candidate at the deadline.

Stating the obvious that the knicks are hard caped isn’t bad news, it’s a fact

And this system was designed to level the playing field with organizations that didn’t care about the repeater tax. Again - another fact.

I don't think they are hard capped yet, though. In fairness, the new CBA is complicated as ****


I think the Mikal trade was going to hard cap them no matter what unless they sent out 1 single salary larger than Mikal's salary.

Sending out less salary than you receive would trigger a cap at the first apron. (Bogey's salary was less than Mikal's)

Aggregating multiple salaries to complete the trade triggers a cap at the second apron. (Bogey + Shake +Diakite)

So unless the Knicks sent out one single salary larger than Mikal's (Brunson or Randle) there was going to be a hard cap at one of the aprons no matter what but I may be wrong. They chose the extra flexibility created at the cap for the second apron.

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They were never gonna let the Bridges trade hard cap them. It was decided when they made the trade that it wasn't going to be an issue. They just had to work out the numbers/players.
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Post#1550 » by WargamesX » Thu Jul 4, 2024 9:39 pm

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Interesting. They really want the space now
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Post#1551 » by Jalen Bluntson » Thu Jul 4, 2024 9:44 pm

WargamesX wrote:
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Interesting. They really want the space now


They need it now for filling out the roster. When the cap jumps 14 mil and more every year his increase won't even matter.
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Post#1552 » by WargamesX » Thu Jul 4, 2024 9:45 pm

Quick question, does Precious have any value as a S&T for a TPE and maybe a 2nd? Like to a capped out contender?
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Post#1553 » by 3toheadmelo » Thu Jul 4, 2024 9:47 pm

if anyone wants an idea of what ainge is looking for in return for kessler.. peep what fred katz said
The Jazz expressed they were open to moving Kessler leading into the draft, according to rival front-office sources in contact with them. Utah was after a top-10 draft pick in exchange, and it wasn’t clear if even that would be enough to get a deal done.

The Knicks could offer McBride and the Pistons’ 2025 first-rounder for Kessler. They could throw in a first-round swap too. But would that be enough to get the Jazz to bite? After all, it’s not like Utah has to trade Kessler, who has as many as seven more years of team control ahead of him. McBride’s three-year, $13 million contract is a steal, but it’s more attractive to a contender like the Knicks than a group starting over like the Jazz. By the time Utah is competitive again, McBride would be ready to hit unrestricted free agency.

And from the Knicks’ perspective, would they even want to offer so much?
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Post#1554 » by aggo » Thu Jul 4, 2024 9:49 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:if anyone wants an idea of what ainge is looking for in return for kessler.. peep what fred katz said
The Jazz expressed they were open to moving Kessler leading into the draft, according to rival front-office sources in contact with them. Utah was after a top-10 draft pick in exchange, and it wasn’t clear if even that would be enough to get a deal done.

The Knicks could offer McBride and the Pistons’ 2025 first-rounder for Kessler. They could throw in a first-round swap too. But would that be enough to get the Jazz to bite? After all, it’s not like Utah has to trade Kessler, who has as many as seven more years of team control ahead of him. McBride’s three-year, $13 million contract is a steal, but it’s more attractive to a contender like the Knicks than a group starting over like the Jazz. By the time Utah is competitive again, McBride would be ready to hit unrestricted free agency.

And from the Knicks’ perspective, would they even want to offer so much?

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Re: Trades and Transactions thread cont - post Mikal trade 

Post#1555 » by moocow007 » Thu Jul 4, 2024 9:52 pm

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Re: Trades and Transactions thread cont - post Mikal trade 

Post#1556 » by nyk2017 » Thu Jul 4, 2024 9:53 pm

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FrozenEnvelope wrote:
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Knicks leaking that they have general interest in centers instead of specific interest in Kessler. They include that they could just go ahead and resign Precious and deal with it that way.

Knicks signaling to teams that have C's, but particularly Ainge, that they are interested, but they have options.


Game on.

Of course, Ainge will ask for 2 1st round picks and 2 2nd round picks AND McBride, so goodbye Kessler.


Leon isn't going to get played by Ainge. Either deal honestly and fairly or go play in traffic with Warren Jeffs.


I mean if you look at Leon’s track record he tends to overpay and ainge holds out for peak value.

Also - outside of a Precious sign and trade I don’t see a path forward to acquiring Kessler and avoiding the first apron hard cap without including Duce



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Post#1557 » by Context » Thu Jul 4, 2024 9:55 pm

stuporman wrote:Bargain resign with Randle
Bargain signing with Brunson
Bargain signing with iHart
Bargain signing with Divo

Didn't overpay for Mitchell
Didn't overpay for OG

Leon doesn't tend to overpay, but sure, he overpaid for MB because that's the only way he was going to pry away the infinity stone from the Nets.

Mikal’s had to be at the top of the list as far as demand this offseason. Based on that alone
Imo, he didn’t over pay. If you feel there were too many
1sts - if the knicks make the play offs for the next 10 years will it be considered an overpay Stu? Much less win a title….
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Re: Trades and Transactions thread cont - post Mikal trade 

Post#1558 » by JayTWill » Thu Jul 4, 2024 9:56 pm

Jalen Bluntson wrote:
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thebuzzardman wrote:I don't think they are hard capped yet, though. In fairness, the new CBA is complicated as ****


I think the Mikal trade was going to hard cap them no matter what unless they sent out 1 single salary larger than Mikal's salary.

Sending out less salary than you receive would trigger a cap at the first apron. (Bogey's salary was less than Mikal's)

Aggregating multiple salaries to complete the trade triggers a cap at the second apron. (Bogey + Shake +Diakite)

So unless the Knicks sent out one single salary larger than Mikal's (Brunson or Randle) there was going to be a hard cap at one of the aprons no matter what but I may be wrong. They chose the extra flexibility created at the cap for the second apron.

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They were never gonna let the Bridges trade hard cap them. It was decided when they made the trade that it wasn't going to be an issue. They just had to work out the numbers/players.


Yeah, I know they were working to avoid the hard cap at the first apron but there still is a hard cap at the second apron which is what I was trying to explain.
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Post#1559 » by aggo » Thu Jul 4, 2024 10:01 pm

the second apron is a complete nonstarter

that pic referenced is not the full story.

if you are above the second apron in 3 of 5 years, your next frp gets converted to end of round
your frps from year 0 to year 7 of being over the apron are frozen and not allowed to be traded


Boston, minn and phoenix are going to be studied because they are gonna be over the 2nd apron


the easiest thing to do is to refuse going over it. you cant do **** with the team once you are over the second apron. that's why I firmly believe we should trade randle now, even in a "it doesn't make sense" move like 4 frps from golden state, or orchestrate a 3 team deal
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Post#1560 » by Jalen Bluntson » Thu Jul 4, 2024 10:02 pm

JayTWill wrote:
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JayTWill wrote:
I think the Mikal trade was going to hard cap them no matter what unless they sent out 1 single salary larger than Mikal's salary.

Sending out less salary than you receive would trigger a cap at the first apron. (Bogey's salary was less than Mikal's)

Aggregating multiple salaries to complete the trade triggers a cap at the second apron. (Bogey + Shake +Diakite)

So unless the Knicks sent out one single salary larger than Mikal's (Brunson or Randle) there was going to be a hard cap at one of the aprons no matter what but I may be wrong. They chose the extra flexibility created at the cap for the second apron.

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They were never gonna let the Bridges trade hard cap them. It was decided when they made the trade that it wasn't going to be an issue. They just had to work out the numbers/players.


Yeah, I know they were working to avoid the hard cap at the first apron but there still is a hard cap at the second apron which is what I was trying to explain.


Gotcha. That pick freeze thing is fuggin stupid though.
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