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Re: Countdown to Lottery: Prospect Talk 

Post#15461 » by AmazingJason » Tue May 19, 2015 3:11 pm

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AmazingJason wrote:Euros/Kaminsky: If Phil has the balls, there has to be substance behind it. I trust the Zen Master with my life.

Cauley-Stein: Will probably commit suicide if picked.


so contradictory.

you trust phil with your life... if it's a euro or kaminsky. not WCS.

if phil sees something of value in WCS and takes him at 5, i'm going to trust. my faith in PMFJB eclipses realGM chatter.


LOL, yeah I know it's contradictory. I thought the same thing after I wrote it. Just kidding around, obviously :lol: I know Phil won't draft Cauley-Stein, and I just don't like him.
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Re: The 2015 NBA draft lottery thread - 19/05/15 8:30 p.m. ET 

Post#15462 » by Yankeeknickfan » Tue May 19, 2015 3:12 pm

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Re: The 2015 NBA draft lottery thread - 19/05/15 8:30 p.m. ET 

Post#15463 » by Jeff Van Gully » Tue May 19, 2015 3:12 pm

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Besart19 wrote:
Worst_to_First wrote:
Good. This means that the second worst team is due to win the first pick in the lottery.


That said, this offseason we get both Okafor (or Towns) and Aldridge :)

Okafor/Towns
Aldridge
Carmelo
D.Green
Galloway


That would be a great lineup, with Shved off the bench for guard penetration. Since SAS may target Aldridge over Gasol, would that give us more chance to get Gasolina?


no. as they are probably in part not targeting him because they think it might be a waste of time. it would have no bearing on our chances. what we need is SAS to not steak LMA from us if he's interested in leaving POR.
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Re: Countdown to Lottery: Prospect Talk 

Post#15464 » by omerome » Tue May 19, 2015 3:12 pm

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god4gives wrote:
What workouts and when? I don't see any dates and news about personal workouts they're going to do for the Knicks. The only scheduled personal workout news I've seen which ended up being untrue was Willie Trill


You think we won't work out the top 3 prospects in the draft between now and June 25th?


i'm honestly not sure but if it happens i want to know what went down.

It's not a matter of if, but when (unless a particular player refuses).

Teams will workout players but it's still early in the process right now. This next month will be when teams get a personal and private view of each player.
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Re: The 2015 NBA draft lottery thread - 19/05/15 8:30 p.m. ET 

Post#15465 » by Yankeeknickfan » Tue May 19, 2015 3:13 pm

DE FENSE wrote:just ran two different simulators and got the 4th pick like 90% of the time. I'm going in with these expectations and I'm ok with it. 4th or better...LETS GOOOOO


They also have the Kings, or nuggets in top 5. I still think we're getting the 4th pick Though.
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Re: Countdown to Lottery: Prospect Talk 

Post#15466 » by BowlRips » Tue May 19, 2015 3:13 pm

god4gives wrote:
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god4gives wrote:Okafor, Towns, & Mudiay should've shown up at the combine. I keep reading and seeing positive things they say about the Knicks but scared to talk to the Zen Master who likes to talk face to face and know the mindset of these prospects. They didn't have to participate on agility and speed tests but they could've at least did what Willie Cauley Stein, D'Angelo, Jerian, & Frank Kaminsky did taking measurements and doing interviews.

eh whatever, never mind


They will talk to him at the workouts


What workouts and when? I don't see any dates and news about personal workouts they're going to do for the Knicks. The only scheduled personal workout news I've seen which ended up being untrue was Willie Trill


lol the draft is over a month away. the lottery didnt even happen yet
of course knicks will have opportunity to work everybody out. have you followed the nba draft before?
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Re: The 2015 NBA draft lottery thread - 19/05/15 8:30 p.m. ET 

Post#15467 » by Jeff Van Gully » Tue May 19, 2015 3:13 pm

KingzAndQueenz wrote:Praying for #1 or #2. I want Okafor..badly. Okafor + Zen = Franchise Changer


he intrigues me soooooo much. if he could get that fire... he'll be an absolute terror.
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Re: The 2015 NBA draft lottery thread - 19/05/15 8:30 p.m. ET 

Post#15468 » by Jeff Van Gully » Tue May 19, 2015 3:15 pm

j4remi wrote:
Hijinks wrote:my emotion scale for tonight:

#1 pick: super excited
#2 pick: glad
#3 pick: a bit disappointed
#4 pick: super disappointed
#5 pick: very very pissed off

since i don't know much about the players, i can only go from what i've read and heard. so towns, okafor russel would be good to great, mudiay would be solid and everything after that would be a gamble, i'd guess.


1. ecstatic
2. even more ecstatic because I prefer Okafor
3. still really happy
4. a bit concerned but still not so bad
5. content but not happy.


this. we were never guaranteed anything greater than 4 even with the worst record. so locking in top-5 is still a blessing to me. i'm just grateful we didn't have one of those lottery seasons where we end up picking 13th.
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Re: Countdown to Lottery: Prospect Talk 

Post#15469 » by Jeff Van Gully » Tue May 19, 2015 3:15 pm

AmazingJason wrote:
Ron Mexico wrote:
AmazingJason wrote:Euros/Kaminsky: If Phil has the balls, there has to be substance behind it. I trust the Zen Master with my life.

Cauley-Stein: Will probably commit suicide if picked.


so contradictory.

you trust phil with your life... if it's a euro or kaminsky. not WCS.

if phil sees something of value in WCS and takes him at 5, i'm going to trust. my faith in PMFJB eclipses realGM chatter.


LOL, yeah I know it's contradictory. I thought the same thing after I wrote it. Just kidding around, obviously :lol: I know Phil won't draft Cauley-Stein, and I just don't like him.


word. that is just not happening.
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Re: The 2015 NBA draft lottery thread - 19/05/15 8:30 p.m. ET 

Post#15470 » by Yankeeknickfan » Tue May 19, 2015 3:16 pm

Yankeeknickfan wrote:http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/ ... _simulator


Kings,nuggets, pistons,lakers,wolves, and even the heat have appeared at number 1.
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Re: Countdown to Lottery: Prospect Talk 

Post#15471 » by 2010 » Tue May 19, 2015 3:18 pm

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E-Balla wrote:You keep contradicting yourself that's why we call you a hater. If you were consistent and even in your criticism of Jahlil and Towns I don't think anyone would complain. I mean in your last post you literally said Jahlil can't improve any of his weaknesses and now you wonder why you're called a hater? We really soured on Shump, Landry, and Tim not because they didn't improve but because they actually regressed. I mean of course there were irrational people but as a whole we only cared because they were better rookies.


"Literally"...really? I recommend you read my detailed post again, or either you don't understand what "literally" means. I clearly stated you don't pick Okafor betting he improves defensively. You pick him with the mindset of trumpeting his offensive strengths and with the intention of building a roster around him that will mask his weaknesses. I said, then if he improves defensively consider it gravy. But I wouldn't go betting on it. That's not "hating". Y'all ninjas just sensitive. Lol

Here's your post:
2010 wrote:I don't know what some of you dudes are not getting. There's no bias against Okafor. It's just that the things he lacks are the things you can't teach!

* You can't teach having a motor
* You can't teach shot blocking instincts
* You can't teach having a nose for the ball and the anticipation to rebound out of your area
* You can't teach defensive awareness
* You can't teach lateral quickness
* You can't even always teach FT shooting (Shaq, DeAndre, Big Ben, Rodman, Rondo, etc.)

If this wasn't the case how come a dedicated hard worker like Amar'e never improved defensively? Just because you come into the league at 19 doesn't mean you are destined to improve your weaknesses.

You basically you're saying he can't improve because even though people impove these things all the time it's impossible to improve them. Now if I said you can't improve your weak base, smoothness in the post, offensive IQ, defensive discipline, etc. I'd be the equivalent to the crap you keep posting.


The other end of the spectrum is others arguing that he doesn't have the issues that I say you can't teach. They say he played the way he did defensively due to a myriad of excuses:

* Coach K wanting him to conserve energy for offense and to avoid foul trouble
* Lack of conditioning
* Lack of reps
* Only being 19
* Needing to be coached up

You quoted the wrong post. Cuz then I went into details stating I would not be drafting him under the premise that he will be improving markedly in these deficient areas. I'd draft him based on his offense and build a supporting team around him to hide his weak areas. If he improves, then just consider it gravy.

Again, I see no hatred in those words. The ones who are gonna turn to hate are you people banking on him morphing into a whole 'nother player and when he doesn't y'all gonna say he regressed and commence to picking him apart ruthlessly and with vitriol.

Frye didn't regress. Shump didn't regress. THJr didn't regress. Toney Douglas didn't regress. They just didn't meet your expectations. The league made an adjustment to them and figured them out. Not every young player is going to develop their weak areas or make a significant jump. When that happens (making the jump) the ability usually was there all along. Just circumstance and opportunity is the thing that allowed it to shine through. Mental makeup, instincts, etc don't usually improve. They are not jumpshots.
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Re: Countdown to Lottery: Prospect Talk 

Post#15472 » by god4gives » Tue May 19, 2015 3:19 pm

omerome wrote:
god4gives wrote:
GONYK wrote:
You think we won't work out the top 3 prospects in the draft between now and June 25th?


i'm honestly not sure but if it happens i want to know what went down.

It's not a matter of if, but when (unless a particular player refuses).

Teams will workout players but it's still early in the process right now. This next month will be when teams get a personal and private view of each player.


oh ok

BowlRips wrote:
god4gives wrote:
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They will talk to him at the workouts


What workouts and when? I don't see any dates and news about personal workouts they're going to do for the Knicks. The only scheduled personal workout news I've seen which ended up being untrue was Willie Trill


lol the draft is over a month away. the lottery didnt even happen yet
of course knicks will have opportunity to work everybody out. have you followed the nba draft before?


Not this closely. Before i only followed after the Knicks selected whomever they chose.
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Re: Countdown to Lottery: Prospect Talk 

Post#15473 » by Jeff Van Gully » Tue May 19, 2015 3:20 pm

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Re: Countdown to Lottery: Prospect Talk 

Post#15474 » by NYKnicksTAPE » Tue May 19, 2015 3:20 pm

KingzAndQueenz wrote:WIth the first pick in the 2015 NBA Draft, the New York Knicks select... FRANK DA TANK

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Re: Countdown to Lottery: Prospect Talk 

Post#15475 » by Capn'O » Tue May 19, 2015 3:21 pm

2010 wrote:I'm so dedicated to the mission, I've been listening to the Grateful Dead Satellite XM 23 station all morning, since that's Phil Jackson's favorite Rock band (and I don't even funk wit that type of music). But anything to facilitate our plight!

By the way, they got a song called "Morning Dew" that's pretty good. Would make a dope hip hop sample if a producer flip it right.


That's a great song and not theirs. About nuclear fallout.

One of the jokes about the Dead is that due to all the drugs and such they were really hit/miss. That's why you had to follow them. That station is tough. They play just about anything the Dead ever did and any sound quality. We've had what? 40? 50 years to sort through all that crap.
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Re: Countdown to Lottery: Prospect Talk 

Post#15476 » by mpharris36 » Tue May 19, 2015 3:24 pm

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KingzAndQueenz wrote:WIth the first pick in the 2015 NBA Draft, the New York Knicks select... FRANK DA TANK

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Re: Countdown to Lottery: Prospect Talk 

Post#15477 » by Capn'O » Tue May 19, 2015 3:25 pm

^Towns is the better defensive prospect and it's not close. I've seen Okafor play good defense in stretches enough to know he will likely be passable to good in the pros once he gets his reps. Beyond that is projection. But I'll be very surprised if he doesn't do all game what he can already do in key stretches.
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Re: Countdown to Lottery: Prospect Talk 

Post#15478 » by AmazingJason » Tue May 19, 2015 3:27 pm



I really like what he had to say.

Also, a 19-year old that isn't afraid to fly across the world to play in China and hurt his draft stock sounds like he has the chutzpah to hack it in NYC.
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Re: The 2015 NBA draft lottery thread - 19/05/15 8:30 p.m. ET 

Post#15479 » by AllanH20 » Tue May 19, 2015 3:28 pm

I don't get "blaming wins." You have to play to win every game. Did you guys expect Phil and Fischer to sit the players down and tell them to brick shots if the game is close?

Anyway, we have a great chance at a top four pick and the the top four guys have the potential to be great players in this league, we're in good shape.
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Re: The 2015 NBA draft lottery thread - 19/05/15 8:30 p.m. ET 

Post#15480 » by sasso » Tue May 19, 2015 3:29 pm

El Poochio wrote:
delvec19 wrote:
Hijinks wrote:my emotion scale for tonight:

#1 pick: super excited
#2 pick: glad
#3 pick: a bit disappointed
#4 pick: super disappointed
#5 pick: very very pissed off

since i don't know much about the players, i can only go from what i've read and heard. so towns, okafor russel would be good to great, mudiay would be solid and everything after that would be a gamble, i'd guess.


Mine:

#1: Ecstatic!
#2: Very excited!
#3: Happy we're still getting one of Okafor or Russell most likely.
#4: I'd settle...Mudiay not a bad consolation.
#5: Beyond PISSED.


#1: Over the Damn Moon
#2: Ecstatic!
#3: Very excited! Thinking about pre-season expectations a year ago..
#4: Beyond PISSED.
#5: Fook this rigged ass clown of a league idiot dolan should have send mills to the grave instead


Honestly y'all should be fine with any pick except #5. Besides Towns, I don't think there's a consensus as to who is a better pick in the top 4. Even Towns only slightly edges all of the other guys as the #1 pick. Of course it's great to be able to choose whichever one of those guys you want the most, but with the #4 pick, you still get to take one of them AND you save some salary cap cash too. The #4 pick's salary will start $1.3MM less than the #1 pick's salary, giving you some more cushion to sign free agents.

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