Cavs v Warriors (Around the NBA Finals)

[Context]

No player ever averaged in the finals: 35/13/9- Period! all this other talk is a reach....

But he lost

It really is not all that impressive when you consider the opponent. How small the Warriors were and the quick pace they love to play and also when you factor in that most of his assists came from simply dumping it to Mozgov who was a dominant force in the paint. It really isnt hard for me to picture Carmelo Anthony putting up those numbers against the Warriors in a series if he had that team, except I think Melo would have a much better shooting percentage.

But he lost

But he should have still won the MVP as Jerry West did in 69



some of you are sad...seriously- you hate the guy that much that you're in denial and completely delusional...

LeBron was amazing

James was brilliant as a scorer. With the best defense hounding him, he dropped 35.8 points per game. James was brilliant as a passer, averaging 8.8 assists per game. James was brilliant as a rebounder, averaging 13.3 rebounds per game.

LeBron was brilliant doing everything. He had two triple-doubles, including the first 40-point triple double in the NBA Finals in 30 years. He averaged a stat line that few players had scored in a single game in the history of the Finals. James did this on nearly no rest, and with no other decent offensive option on his team. That's amazing.

The Warriors are really incredible

The Warriors were a great team. Historically great, in fact.he Warriors won 67 regular-season games, tied for fourth-most of all time. They had an average point differential of 10.2 points per game, the eight-best of all time. They had the second-best offense in the league in terms of efficiency and the best in terms of points per game. They had the best defense in terms of efficiency.

When the postseason started, they didn't relent. They only dropped three games in three series to win the Western Conference, which was among the most stacked conferences in NBA history.

Only one team with a higher per-game point differential than the Warriors (the 1971-72 Bucks) and only one team with more wins than the Warriors (the 1972-73 Celtics) failed to win the NBA Finals. It makes sense that the Warriors won, too.

The Warriors were better on offense than the Cavs, better on defense than the Cavs, had a deeper bench than the Cavs, were less injured than the Cavs, and had strategies that attacked the Cavs' weaknesses. This was a mismatch.

http://www.sbnation.com/2015/6/17/8790493/nba-finals-lebron-james-warriors-cavaliers

[melomax]

This series was so next level it was amazing

1 thing moving forward you have to learn/figure out:


The man setting the screen has to be an offensive threat. For GS, if you switch, Draymond Green will post you (the PG) up. If you trap (as CLE did relentlessly) you have to be able to receive the ball and make the right play 4 on 3.

You have to be a dual threat. Just being a big guy who can receive lobs is not good enough.


I'd love to see Melo play PF next year and start setting screens. GS, and SAS before them did this relentlessly and exploited MIA when they switched the Diaw PNRs. GS did the same thing relentlessly off the PNR with Green/Curry.

[kingquan316]

Lebron is a douche, he blamed Delandova for him getting his head cracked open on the camera.

U serious? How he blame him for that?

Not sure if anybody else caught it, but it happened moments after he fell and the tv camera caught it when he was on the floor. During the possession, Lebron found Delandova in the corner for 3, Delandova turned down the shot and Lebron wanted him to shoot it so already he was pissed at him, seconds later Delandova found Lebron under the hoop and thats when Bogut pushed him and he cracked his head. The TV camera caught a closeup of when Lebron was on the floor and while he was holding his head Delandova came up to him to check on him and thats when Lebron yelled at him "Its all your fault" and Deli responded with "its not my fault" and Lebron screamed at him "It is your fault, it is your fault". As soon as that happened, security forced the cameras away from the scene.

I think that was some security dude that said it. I checked on youtube and it some guy saying to another guy off camera. But regardless, the press conference blaming his teammates still made him look like a douche.

[Marty McFly]

social media is brutal.

[kingquan316]

No player ever averaged in the finals: 35/13/9- Period! all this other talk is a reach....

But he lost

It really is not all that impressive when you consider the opponent. How small the Warriors were and the quick pace they love to play and also when you factor in that most of his assists came from simply dumping it to Mozgov who was a dominant force in the paint. It really isnt hard for me to picture Carmelo Anthony putting up those numbers against the Warriors in a series if he had that team, except I think Melo would have a much better shooting percentage.

But he lost

But he should have still won the MVP as Jerry West did in 69



some of you are sad...seriously- you hate the guy that much that you're in denial and completely delusional...

LeBron was amazing

James was brilliant as a scorer. With the best defense hounding him, he dropped 35.8 points per game. James was brilliant as a passer, averaging 8.8 assists per game. James was brilliant as a rebounder, averaging 13.3 rebounds per game.

LeBron was brilliant doing everything. He had two triple-doubles, including the first 40-point triple double in the NBA Finals in 30 years. He averaged a stat line that few players had scored in a single game in the history of the Finals. James did this on nearly no rest, and with no other decent offensive option on his team. That's amazing.

The Warriors are really incredible

The Warriors were a great team. Historically great, in fact.he Warriors won 67 regular-season games, tied for fourth-most of all time. They had an average point differential of 10.2 points per game, the eight-best of all time. They had the second-best offense in the league in terms of efficiency and the best in terms of points per game. They had the best defense in terms of efficiency.

When the postseason started, they didn't relent. They only dropped three games in three series to win the Western Conference, which was among the most stacked conferences in NBA history.

Only one team with a higher per-game point differential than the Warriors (the 1971-72 Bucks) and only one team with more wins than the Warriors (the 1972-73 Celtics) failed to win the NBA Finals. It makes sense that the Warriors won, too.

The Warriors were better on offense than the Cavs, better on defense than the Cavs, had a deeper bench than the Cavs, were less injured than the Cavs, and had strategies that attacked the Cavs' weaknesses. This was a mismatch.

http://www.sbnation.com/2015/6/17/8790493/nba-finals-lebron-james-warriors-cavaliers

Lebron is a great, great player.

But I'm glad he lost, **** him.

[JBreezeNY]

All I see is slurp, slurp, slurp, Lebron GOAT performance, slurp, slurp, slurp.

Lebron played really well with the lack of help but this is what is expected of him especially when you wanna put him in the convo of top 10, top 5, top 3, the best ever.

This is what people aren't getting.

It's not like his performance was some life-altering thing either, his efficiency sucked which brought it down a peg. Like jesus everytime Lebron plays great we have to stop what we're doing and praise it? No he should've been performing like this, keep it up & your legacy continues to increase.

[N8isScofield]

He shot 39 EFFING PERCENT FROM THE FIELD. That's pathetic. It took him 33 shots a game to get 36 points. Also pathetic. Melo would be crucified for that. Yeah his rebounding and assist totals were impressive. F*ck his scoring numbers though. Kobe was vilified his entire career for better numbers than that. This so called King shot less than 40% against a team who played 3 guys his size or bigger all series. Dude literally was almost always bigger than every warrior player on the court and still failed to shoot 40%. That's impressive? GTFO.

[HEZI]

No player ever averaged in the finals: 35/13/9- Period! all this other talk is a reach....

But he lost

It really is not all that impressive when you consider the opponent. How small the Warriors were and the quick pace they love to play and also when you factor in that most of his assists came from simply dumping it to Mozgov who was a dominant force in the paint. It really isnt hard for me to picture Carmelo Anthony putting up those numbers against the Warriors in a series if he had that team, except I think Melo would have a much better shooting percentage.

But he lost

But he should have still won the MVP as Jerry West did in 69



some of you are sad...seriously- you hate the guy that much that you're in denial and completely delusional...[quote]

Whats really sad is giving the loser an MVP trophy. Talk about being delusional.

[melomax]

He shot 39 EFFING PERCENT FROM THE FIELD. That's pathetic. It took him 33 shots a game to get 36 points. Also pathetic. Melo would be crucified for that. Yeah his rebounding and assist totals were impressive. F*ck his scoring numbers though. Kobe was vilified his entire career for better numbers than that. This so called King shot less than 40% against a team who played 3 guys his size or bigger all series. Dude literally was almost always bigger than every warrior player on the court and still failed to shoot 40%. That's impressive? GTFO.

dude...

he also had 9 asts a game.


Why are we even arguing this? outside of g6, he was a complete beast.

Cleveland loses every game by 20+ without him.

[Context]

He shot 39 EFFING PERCENT FROM THE FIELD. That's pathetic. It took him 33 shots a game to get 36 points. Also pathetic. Melo would be crucified for that. Yeah his rebounding and assist totals were impressive. F*ck his scoring numbers though. Kobe was vilified his entire career for better numbers than that. This so called King shot less than 40% against a team who played 3 guys his size or bigger all series. Dude literally was almost always bigger than every warrior player on the court and still failed to shoot 40%. That's impressive? GTFO.

dude...

he also had 9 asts a game.


Why are we even arguing this? outside of g6, he was a complete beast.

Cleveland loses every game by 20+ without him.

you're wasting your time ...this is the part in the thread where i stop wasting mine...let them pretend that they don't recognize his greatness... Good night...

[N8isScofield]

He shot 39 EFFING PERCENT FROM THE FIELD. That's pathetic. It took him 33 shots a game to get 36 points. Also pathetic. Melo would be crucified for that. Yeah his rebounding and assist totals were impressive. F*ck his scoring numbers though. Kobe was vilified his entire career for better numbers than that. This so called King shot less than 40% against a team who played 3 guys his size or bigger all series. Dude literally was almost always bigger than every warrior player on the court and still failed to shoot 40%. That's impressive? GTFO.

dude...

he also had 9 asts a game.


Why are we even arguing this? outside of g6, he was a complete beast.

Cleveland loses every game by 20+ without him.

Did you not read where I said that the assists and rebounds were impressive? He was hardly a beast if he could only hit 39% of his shots against smaller players. Just stop it. If Melo or Kobe took 33 shots a night they'd put up the same scoring numbers if not better and everyone would be killing them for taking so many shots. If Jordan had taken 33 shots a night he'd have averaged 50. Again, Lebron rebounded well (against a small team) and assisted well(which he usually does) and I don't deny that. He shot like garbage for the entire playoffs though and to ignore this and suck him off like he did something impossible is pathetic. Give any elite player 33 shots a game and they can probably get you 36 points. When did being terribly inefficient become something to worship?

[damedash09]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/tomhaberstroh/status/611055199403294720[/tweet]

not even 1 fg damn

[melomax]

He shot 39 EFFING PERCENT FROM THE FIELD. That's pathetic. It took him 33 shots a game to get 36 points. Also pathetic. Melo would be crucified for that. Yeah his rebounding and assist totals were impressive. F*ck his scoring numbers though. Kobe was vilified his entire career for better numbers than that. This so called King shot less than 40% against a team who played 3 guys his size or bigger all series. Dude literally was almost always bigger than every warrior player on the court and still failed to shoot 40%. That's impressive? GTFO.

dude...

he also had 9 asts a game.


Why are we even arguing this? outside of g6, he was a complete beast.

Cleveland loses every game by 20+ without him.

Did you not read where I said that the assists and rebounds were impressive? He was hardly a best if he could only hit 39% of his shots against smaller players. Just stop it. If Melo or Kobe took 33 shots a night they'd put up the same scoring numbers if not better and everyone would be killing them for taking so many shots. If Jordan had taken 33 shots a night he'd have averaged 50. Again, Lebron rebounded well (against a small team) and assisted well(which he usually does) and I don't deny that. He shot like garbage for the entire playoffs though and to ignore this and suck him off like he did something impossible is pathetic. Give any elite player 33 shots a game and they can probably get you 36 points. When did being terribly inefficient become something to worship?

dude, i hate to say this, but i will.


you dont understand high level basketball.


He was the only offensive threat on the floor, and their entire offense was built around him.


in g1-2 LeBron ISO'd the post because GS sometimes came with a double and LeBron made them pay by always making the right pass for easy buckets

then g3 on, GS pretty much only brought help defense at the last second when Lebron went up to make a shot. GS was hardened into playing LeBron 1on1 as long as they could

Without LeBron look at their **** team. It's straight garbage. The only sets they could run were for JR Smith who is a (Please Use More Appropriate Word) and is only good for jacking up threes at an average shooting %.

If they had anyone else take those shots, or asked LeBron to shoot less, they lose by 20 every single game. LeBron had to take those shots. Look at how many cleanup points Moz + TT had in game 4 and 5, two games they also lost for the record. Just saying that LeBron shot 39% is not even 20% of the entire story.


And all of those drives he had thoughout the entire series are fouls like atleast 50% of the time in the regular season.

[DaGawd]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/tomhaberstroh/status/611055199403294720[/tweet]

not even 1 fg damn

Jesus christ

[melomax]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/tomhaberstroh/status/611055199403294720[/tweet]

not even 1 fg damn

Jesus christ

BUT LEBRON SUCKS.

HE SHOT 39%

[SelbyCobra]

This is before tonight, but it doesn't change his place on the list - he ended up at 39.8% for the 6 games.

Here is anyone in the last 30 years that took at least 120 total shots in a Finals series, sorted by FG%:

[melomax]

This is before tonight, but it doesn't change his place on the list - he ended up at 39.8% for the 6 games.

Here is anyone in the last 30 years that took at least 120 total shots in a Finals series, sorted by FG%:

sort by TS%

[HEZI]

Hey guys, you are not appreciating Lebrons greatness here, I mean cmon how many guys can put up awesome stats and lose in the NBA Finals? You are not giving him enough credit, he is clearly the King of losing in the NBA Finals. Just look at his stats, WOW AMAZING!!!!!!! Jordan and Kobe could never put up those stats and lose a series. LEBRON IS THE GOAT! at losing in the Finals

[melomax]

Hey guys, you are not appreciating Lebrons greatness here, I mean cmon how many guys can put up awesome stats and lose in the NBA Finals? You are not giving him enough credit, he is clearly the King of losing in the NBA Finals. Just look at his stats, WOW AMAZING!!!!!!! Jordan and Kobe could never put up those stats and lose a series. LEBRON IS THE GOAT! at losing in the Finals

Put any other player in his shoes and they get swept in 4.

[JBreezeNY]

Hey guys, you are not appreciating Lebrons greatness here, I mean cmon how many guys can put up awesome stats and lose in the NBA Finals? You are not giving him enough credit, he is clearly the King of losing in the NBA Finals. Just look at his stats, WOW AMAZING!!!!!!! Jordan and Kobe could never put up those stats and lose a series. LEBRON IS THE GOAT! at losing in the Finals

LOLOL.

On the real though those numbers he put up were ridiculous......but the dicksucking he's getting for losing while being inefficient is also ridiculous.

Kobe caught hell, Lebron should catch hell as well.

He lost & his shooting sucked, get the fu*k over it and stop putting him on a pedestal.

I dare someone to call me a hater when I was the only one on this board hype as fu*k for him when he won the title in 2013 & had people saying I'm not a Knicks fan.