official Melo trade speculation - thread 2

[VirginiaKnickFan]

80 pages and it's pretty straightfoward. Nobody wants him, nobody will pay so much for him every season. It's a buyout sooner or later.

The NTC he holds all but kills any trade opportunity the Knicks have, not that nobody wants him.

The NTC, his albatross salary to production / age / health / defense ratio and Phil's rep around the league are all killing his trade value. If Melo was making $12 million he'd be very trade-able. If Melo was an elite defender he'd be on Miami or Cleveland already.

If he didn't have a NTC there are more teams that would be interested, that is the roadblock the Knicks face.

[god shammgod]

Just throwing this out there ... I am not sure but could Melo Restructure his Contract to make him a more tradable ? What if he keeps his contract and extends the years. Kind of what they wanted us to do with the Salary cap hit. Would he be willing to do that to be moved out of NY ? Is that even possible?

you can't restructure a contract.

the only thing he could do is agree to a buyout for significantly less than his 50 mil remaining

and again if and when he opts out after this season that already saves us, and the cap, 25mil

the full contract counts against the cap no matter what he takes. and he can't opt out of the last year until after next season is over.

[DaKnicksAreBack]

Again, y'all missing the point, I'm not trying to say Melo is responsible for Noah's contract

But Melo did say he would waive the NTC if Phil told him we were rebuilding. Phil told him we would rebuild at the end of the 16 season, and Melo declined to waive the NTC. Phil then figured if he couldn't move Melo, he'd try to make the playoffs one more time, because he still thinks Melo is a good player, so the Rose, Noah, and Lee moves happened

Nope you're missing the point. PJax would of signed Noah if Melo was on the roster or not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

This isn't about Noah

This is about Melo saying he would waive the NTC if we were rebuilding, then when he was told we were rebuilding, he didn't

But keep deflecting

You're the one who brought up the Noah signing

[NoLayupRule]

Whenever you ask for basketball reasons why Melo should stay there are crickets and chit. Fact is theres 2 sides. Knick fans and Melo fans.

i dont think many melo fans want him to stay

Im nauseated by the way he's been treated and the job done to build around him

however much I want to trade him I understand his POV

he's got an 10yr old kid here and an estranged wife in LA

why should he make it easy on Phil and Dolan after they have dragged him though the mud in the press?

[Greenie]

Whenever you ask for basketball reasons why Melo should stay there are crickets and chit. Fact is theres 2 sides. Knick fans and Melo fans.

Don't do that.

I could call you a non Knick fan too since you hate dude for non basketball reasons.

You have been told many times of the basketball related reasons people like Melo.

He's still a great scorer whom mist be guarded whether he's on or off.

He can play both forward positions and is a solid interior defensive player and rebounder.

He can play off ball and on while being a viable bail out option.

He also doesn't become pussy when the game is on the line make or miss. He wants that moment.


Stop acting like you haven't been told these things.

[NoLayupRule]

The NTC he holds all but kills any trade opportunity the Knicks have, not that nobody wants him.

The NTC, his albatross salary to production / age / health / defense ratio and Phil's rep around the league are all killing his trade value. If Melo was making $12 million he'd be very trade-able. If Melo was an elite defender he'd be on Miami or Cleveland already.

If he didn't have a NTC there are more teams that would be interested, that is the roadblock the Knicks face.

without question

if we could move him as we wanted he would have been gone

which is why he asked for the NTC and why its so shocking that Phil gave it to him and then acted like he didnt know it was a factor

phil is feuding with Melo and KP
not smart

[NoLayupRule]

you can't restructure a contract.

the only thing he could do is agree to a buyout for significantly less than his 50 mil remaining

and again if and when he opts out after this season that already saves us, and the cap, 25mil

the full contract counts against the cap no matter what he takes. and he can't opt out of the last year until after next season is over.

even more reason to hold onto him

if he accepts less as a buyout we pay the full 50

after this coming season he can opt out and were off the hook

[DOT]

Nope you're missing the point. PJax would of signed Noah if Melo was on the roster or not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

This isn't about Noah

This is about Melo saying he would waive the NTC if we were rebuilding, then when he was told we were rebuilding, he didn't

But keep deflecting

You're the one who brought up the Noah signing

I also brought up the Rose trade, but neither were the main argument, which y'all keep ignoring

[Sark]

We would play him and you would deal. He's still productive and well loved by his teammates.

Run him all of his money and let him go.
It's out of Dolan's pocket anyway.

Can't happen by league rules. His albatross player option gets exercised on the Knicks cap. Dolan's wallet I could give a **** about but having him ring chance with his BFF LeFlop on our cap in 2018 isn't happening. Enjoy next year on your couch Melo or say yes to a reasonable trade to L.A.. Man ... Melo's 2018-19 salary is going to make Joe Johnson's bad years look like Jordan for the league minimum.

$28 million + 15% of his balance trade kicker spread over next year and 2018-2019 (so 4.06 per year, which he can decline, but L.A. is so over the cap who cares). So $32~ million for Melo in 2018-19 against the cap.

$32~ million

Second highest paid player in the league behind LeFlop, for about (in 2018-2019) the 100th best player.

Yea Sham linked it to me that you can't use the eto until the fourth year is complete. That sucks.

I would bet any amount of money the buyout would be contingent on him declining.

[DaKnicksAreBack]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

This isn't about Noah

This is about Melo saying he would waive the NTC if we were rebuilding, then when he was told we were rebuilding, he didn't

But keep deflecting

You're the one who brought up the Noah signing

I also brought up the Rose trade, but neither were the main argument, which y'all keep ignoring

I'm not disputing what you said about melo not wanting to wave his NTC in 2016. This is the first I've heard of that, but ok. You did however imply melo was somewhat responsible for the rose trade and Noah signing. Otherwise why'd you bring it up?

[Greenie]

Can't happen by league rules. His albatross player option gets exercised on the Knicks cap. Dolan's wallet I could give a **** about but having him ring chance with his BFF LeFlop on our cap in 2018 isn't happening. Enjoy next year on your couch Melo or say yes to a reasonable trade to L.A.. Man ... Melo's 2018-19 salary is going to make Joe Johnson's bad years look like Jordan for the league minimum.

$28 million + 15% of his balance trade kicker spread over next year and 2018-2019 (so 4.06 per year, which he can decline, but L.A. is so over the cap who cares). So $32~ million for Melo in 2018-19 against the cap.

$32~ million

Second highest paid player in the league behind LeFlop, for about (in 2018-2019) the 100th best player.

Yea Sham linked it to me that you can't use the eto until the fourth year is complete. That sucks.

I would bet any amount of money the buyout would be contingent on him declining.

Why would he do that?

[nedleeds]

The NTC, his albatross salary to production / age / health / defense ratio and Phil's rep around the league are all killing his trade value. If Melo was making $12 million he'd be very trade-able. If Melo was an elite defender he'd be on Miami or Cleveland already.

If he didn't have a NTC there are more teams that would be interested, that is the roadblock the Knicks face.

without question

if we could move him as we wanted he would have been gone

which is why he asked for the NTC and why its so shocking that Phil gave it to him and then acted like he didnt know it was a factor

phil is feuding with Melo and KP
not smart

Yep. Which is why Phil if he had a clue would just say, 'We will do our best to accommodate Melo's with any trade that doesn't include salary past 2018 and that meets league salary matching rules. We are asking for essentially nothing, just no forward looking salary commitments. If that can't be accomplished then he will join the rebuild, and we hope he understands and continues to be a great teammate.'

Done. Then it's clear the Knicks aren't holding anyone hostage and it cements Melo's value around the league with respect to his cap hit which is currently negative. Carmelo and his salary are massive negative value for his value as a winning player.

[Sark]

Yea Sham linked it to me that you can't use the eto until the fourth year is complete. That sucks.

I would bet any amount of money the buyout would be contingent on him declining.

Why would he do that?

Because he might want to actually want to get on the court again in the next 2 years.

[Battery]

Only the Knicks would be the dumbazz franchise to straight up waive Carmelo Anthony at this point in his career. Anybody advocating for that is stupid and shouldn't have their opinion taken seriously.

at this point in his career?

he's decline little by little the past 3 years, which haven't been good basketball. next year he'll be older, slower, and a little more diminished.

and as always, getting rid of melo IS addition by subtraction. get rid of him not matter what. you can't head into camp with him on the roster.

as usual you are dealing in half truths at best

next year is Melo's final under contract if he opts out
thats 25mil owed to him vs a waive or buy out of 50mil

coaches determine playing time
melo isnt a cancer to his teammates and if his play is so poor that should help the tank argument

you simply wait it out with Melo unless you can agree to something beneficial to the team

Melo wont want to sit here
he's playing chicken with Phil because Phil, like you and similar people, are impatient and foolhardy and might go so far as to waive an allstar and eat his contract rather than deal with him and be patient

You said the same things when we had Nutbury on the team. Be patient. Just wait we will turn things around. Everything is great, no need to tear it down and rebuild now. You were also Isiah's biggest fan and perfectly willing to watch and of course go down with the ship. bNo is right. Addition by subtraction.

[Phish Tank]

only makes sense to buy him out come All Star Weekend and afterwards. Doesn't make much sense to absorb $54M right now

[nedleeds]

Yea Sham linked it to me that you can't use the eto until the fourth year is complete. That sucks.

I would bet any amount of money the buyout would be contingent on him declining.

Why would he do that?

Read. He can't. A buyout will automatically include the option if the buyout happens before the exercise date. This is an NBAPA thing. That's why a buyout is pointless. I'd send him home to play Xbox and hope he is so miserable he declines the insane 2018-19 option. I doubt he ever would but maybe not playing for 2 years would be enough.

[god shammgod]

Whenever you ask for basketball reasons why Melo should stay there are crickets and chit. Fact is theres 2 sides. Knick fans and Melo fans.

Don't do that.

I could call you a non Knick fan too since you hate dude for non basketball reasons.

You have been told many times of the basketball related reasons people like Melo.

He's still a great scorer whom mist be guarded whether he's on or off.

He can play both forward positions and is a solid interior defensive player and rebounder.

He can play off ball and on while being a viable bail out option.

He also doesn't become pussy when the game is on the line make or miss. He wants that moment.


Stop acting like you haven't been told these things.

there's no reason to keep anybody older here for basketball reasons. nobody at all. the knicks are nowhere near competitive. i don't even understand the point of the statement.

[god shammgod]

only makes sense to buy him out come All Star Weekend and afterwards. Doesn't make much sense to absorb $54M right now

why have a distraction for half the year ? what's the hope ? that a trade emerges ?

[DOT]

You're the one who brought up the Noah signing

I also brought up the Rose trade, but neither were the main argument, which y'all keep ignoring

I'm not disputing what you said about melo not wanting to wave his NTC in 2016. This is the first I've heard of that, but ok. You did however imply melo was somewhat responsible for the rose trade and Noah signing. Otherwise why'd you bring it up?

Sequence of events
I was gonna add Lee in too, but decided against it
It's not about assigning blame for moves (that's on Phil), it's about, if Melo says okay to being traded, I personally don't think we make those moves. As dakomish pointed out, Phil loves Noah, so we probably end up with him somehow, but the entire chain is different

[Greenie]

I would bet any amount of money the buyout would be contingent on him declining.

Why would he do that?

Because he might want to actually want to get on the court again in the next 2 years.

He will regardless