Knicks sign Hardaway

Wolfgang630 · Post #1561 » by **Wolfgang630** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:31 pm

Triple C wrote:

Lmao

Post #1562 » by **j4remi** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:31 pm

Amsterdam wrote:
j4remi wrote:So they whiffed on Waiters and made a panic offer roughly 25 million dollars higher than the Hawks were prepared to match...I hope this works out, Timmy showed some signs but his improved defense just meant he wasn't trash any more, he's not the secondary ball handler to relieve Frank and while his three point shooting is good his percentages reflect poor shot selection even at his supposed strength. I'm not happy.

They didn't wiff on Waiters. It was mere speculation on some interest as well as Rondo etc. and nothing you heard from the Knicks. Waiters was not going to be a good fit here as he hogs the ball, neither is Rondo.

This is a young, tall and athletic backcourt the team is putting together with great shooters.

I didn't say Waiters was gonna be good, I didn't like that idea either. But Waiters was more valuable than THJ last season and considering THJ had zero rumors and this move happened right after Waiters decision, I'm guessing those Waiters rumors had serious legs (they weren't just NY beat rumors).

THJ needs to shoot above 38% from 3 and make more than 2 per game before I use "great shooter" in the same sentence as his name. For now he's a pretty good shooter with a career 35% 3 pt average.

Tron Carter · Post #1563 » by **Tron Carter** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:31 pm

things could be worst. we could've spent 180 mill this offseason on dion waiters, kelly olynk, and james johnson

Knicks Byke · Post #1564 » by **Knicks Byke** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:31 pm

so will lee be a back up? what about dotson? i have a feeling lee will be packaged w me7o.

Post #1565 » by **moocow007** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:31 pm

Carmelo Anthony has got to be behind this. Right guys?

jermsknicks · Post #1566 » by **jermsknicks** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:33 pm

Spoiler:

K P 6 wrote:
ctorres wrote:
falcindor wrote:I don't like Hardaway because he's not aggressive. He's kinda a spot up shooter, kinda a slasher, but doesn't do anything great. Kind of frustrating to watch with his physical gifts.

That is the old version of Hardaway Jr

New version of my Hardaway Jr isn't just a spot up shooter. He can shoot off the dribble now, there is video of it.

He also aggressively goes to the rim now, there is a lot of video of that too.

Oh, and his physical gifts? Dude hit the gym HARD last summer and gained definition, basically transformed his body. I am pretty sure even Mike Been commented on it during an MSG broadcast of a Knicks-Hawks game.

He may not be great, but we are not paying him to be great. We are paying him to be good, like Evan Fournier-good.

Please stop thinking we are getting Knicks THJr. He has improved a boatload.

You say he improved, I say it was the system he played in. I dont know what we will be playing next year. Is he the 6 man? Hope it all settles down shortly, still holding out hipe someone knows what they are doing in that franchise besides Gaines.

Tron Carter · Post #1567 » by **Tron Carter** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:33 pm

j4remi wrote:
Amsterdam wrote:
j4remi wrote:So they whiffed on Waiters and made a panic offer roughly 25 million dollars higher than the Hawks were prepared to match...I hope this works out, Timmy showed some signs but his improved defense just meant he wasn't trash any more, he's not the secondary ball handler to relieve Frank and while his three point shooting is good his percentages reflect poor shot selection even at his supposed strength. I'm not happy.

They didn't wiff on Waiters. It was mere speculation on some interest as well as Rondo etc. and nothing you heard from the Knicks. Waiters was not going to be a good fit here as he hogs the ball, neither is Rondo.

This is a young, tall and athletic backcourt the team is putting together with great shooters.

I didn't say Waiters was gonna be good, I didn't like that idea either. But Waiters was more valuable than THJ last season and considering THJ had zero rumors and this move happened right after Waiters decision, I'm guessing those Waiters rumors had serious legs (they weren't just NY beat rumors).

THJ needs to shoot above 38% from 3 and make more than 2 per game before I use "great shooter" in the same sentence as his name. For now he's a pretty good shooter with a career 35% 3 pt average.

was waters really more valuable?

from reddit:

Waiters shot 50.7% at the rim last season. Hardaway Jr shot 65.4%. Hardaway shot 8% better on drives with half the TOV%. Hardaway shot 50/48/79 in the clutch to Waiters' 35/37/100.

Name Age Contract BPM RPM PER WS/48
Tim Hardaway Jr 25.3 $71m/4yr -0.3 0.82 15.2 0.107
Dion Waiters 25.5 $52m/4yrs -0.9 0.05 14.5 0.057

ny-n-md · Post #1568 » by **ny-n-md** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:33 pm

Timmy wasn't even a need though. Does he bring more to the table than Lee and Dotson? They both can shoot and defend and don't demand the ball. What exactly will he add to the Knicks? I am hoping and praying ATL matches. When that last minute of matching arrives I will be waiting and reading all the news feeds.

If they match ...

Post #1569 » by **moocow007** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:33 pm

"Hawks could match the deal..."

Maybe if Budenholzer was still making the personnel decisions but the Hawks GM is Travis Schlenk (a key guy that built the Warriors team) who I'm guessing spat his milk out during breakfast this morning the instant he found out and is still on the floor dying of laughter.

Tron Carter · Post #1570 » by **Tron Carter** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:33 pm

moocow007 wrote:Carmelo Anthony has got to be behind this. Right guys?

nah it's isiah. back to the dark ages

Post #1571 » by **King of Canada** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:33 pm

I don't think we were ever going to be as bad as people hoped next year unless guys miss some games.

Post #1572 » by **mpharris36** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:34 pm

Billy Goat wrote:You let the same exact player in Holiday walk for nothing and give Hardaway 71 million plus the poison pill. Sounds like the Knicks.

to be fair, and I am the farthest thing from a THjr fan, but THjr has a ton more offensive talent than Justin Holiday.

robillionaire · Post #1573 » by **robillionaire** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:35 pm

ny-n-md wrote:Timmy wasn't even a need though. Does he bring more to the table than Lee and Dotson? They both can shoot and defend and don't demand the ball. What exactly will he add to the Knicks? I am hoping and praying ATL matches. When that last minute of matching arrives I will be waiting and reading all the news feeds.

If they match ...

Lee is older and is getting traded and we don't even know what we have in Dotson yet based off 5 summer league games

El Poochio · Post #1574 » by **El Poochio** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:36 pm

Reminds me the time Disgusting Manure let go Pogba for free only to sign him for 100 quid 2 years later

#THJBACKTHURSDAY

NBA Fan 1234 · Post #1575 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:38 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
Knickstape1214 wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
the only silver lining I see is if there are deals lined up for Melo and Lee..if we are going all young I don't mind overpaying but we have to be going young. Can't have almost 30 million tied up at the 2 guard position.

Added an edit saying I'm confused why we just didn't sign Holiday for less money and fewer years, but it is what it is.

We also should have traded Lee before the draft...

I could understand THjr over Holiday because THjr is a professional scorer. I can understand going into the year with KP and WHG as your #1 and #2 options that might be light on offense. So I get that THjr was probably the highest ceiling offensive option out there. But that means you absolutely can't bring back Melo.

Melo, KP, THjr, and WHG is way to many options we really need to let KP take over the offense.

If Holiday had more attempts, I think he'd be able to produce similar results. Different mentality so maybe you're right and that plays a part, but production wise over 30-35 minutes I think Justin could have had a similar impact (with better defense).

I still take this over Waiters, though.

NBA Fan 1234 · Post #1576 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:38 pm

It'd be funny if we still had Grant.

F N 11 · Post #1577 » by **F N 11** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:38 pm

Now Holiday is the exact same player as Hardaway? Y'all kill me man. Hate him because we had him already and you hated the young Timmy. However go do some research as to how he dominated the second half of the season.

Post #1578 » by **moocow007** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:38 pm

Tron Carter wrote:
moocow007 wrote:Carmelo Anthony has got to be behind this. Right guys?

nah it's isiah. back to the dark ages

Maybe it wasn't Isiah making decisions but rather Steve Mills all along? How's that for a scary thought. Mills has been around when Thomas was around and actually left the Knicks shortly after Thomas was fired.

Tron Carter · Post #1579 » by **Tron Carter** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:39 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
Billy Goat wrote:You let the same exact player in Holiday walk for nothing and give Hardaway 71 million plus the poison pill. Sounds like the Knicks.

to be fair, and I am the farthest thing from a THjr fan, but THjr has a ton more offensive talent than Justin Holiday.

the holiday faithful is mind numbing. you would think he's on the cusp of an all-star season with the bulls next season.

Post #1580 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:40 pm

King of Canada wrote:I don't think we were ever going to be as bad as people hoped next year unless guys miss some games.

Yea we have a similar team... Another 30-33 win season and picking 8-10