ImageImageImageImageImage

Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank

Moderators: dakomish23, mpharris36, j4remi, NoLayupRule, GONYK, Jeff Van Gully, HerSports85, Deeeez Knicks

What should the Knicks approach be with Frank

Try to develop until prime years (~26) - essentially hold until it's 100% clear what he is
45
30%
Hold and try to develop until the end of rookie contract
64
43%
Hold until season's end/middle of next season to make a decision
13
9%
Look to trade him now for assets and/or a salary dump
23
15%
Other
5
3%
 
Total votes: 150

matchman
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 12,839
And1: 3,395
Joined: Oct 20, 2003
Location: Hong Kong
 

Re: [Article] Frank speaks on our new backcourt 

Post#1561 » by matchman » Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:05 am

Mitch
Zion
Knox
Frank
DSJr

Our future starting lineup? Sign me in.
Are you fans of the team or the player?
HarthorneWingo
RealGM
Posts: 97,546
And1: 62,686
Joined: May 16, 2005

Re: [Article] Frank speaks on our new backcourt 

Post#1562 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:24 am

matchman wrote:Mitch
Zion
Knox
Frank
DSJr

Our future starting lineup? Sign me in.


That's real nice. Fck KD.
taj2133
General Manager
Posts: 7,504
And1: 2,972
Joined: Jun 14, 2009

Re: [Article] Frank speaks on our new backcourt 

Post#1563 » by taj2133 » Mon Feb 25, 2019 4:04 pm

according to fizdale per ny post frank could be out longer then expected?
Frank Ntilikina missed his 12th straight game, but Fizdale said the second-year guard is beginning to do more activity.




“He’s starting to run a little bit. He’s definitely starting to stride out and do some different things from a mobility standpoint,” Fizdale said. “I try not to get caught up in anticipating when they’re gonna come back.”
https://nypost.com/2019/02/25/smith-jr-gives-knicks-glimpse-of-just-how-good-he-can-be/
BeagleBoss
General Manager
Posts: 8,078
And1: 4,331
Joined: Nov 26, 2011

Re: [Article] Frank speaks on our new backcourt 

Post#1564 » by BeagleBoss » Mon Feb 25, 2019 4:41 pm

Well, we got 22 games left. No player has more to prove than Ntilikina. He's got to finish the season strong. Injuries and his play so far this season has put him on the back of the line behind all the guards.
regGQ
Junior
Posts: 468
And1: 177
Joined: Apr 24, 2012
   

Re: [Article] Frank speaks on our new backcourt 

Post#1565 » by regGQ » Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:01 pm

For real Frank needs to blow the team away when he gets on the court. Needs to play well enough to make every other PG expendable.

If the plan is to max Kyrie or Kemba, Frank on the roster makes the most sense basketball wise but they can’t justify that if DSJ, Mudiay and Kadeem continue to play better AND hungrier than him.
User avatar
DOT
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 31,584
And1: 61,550
Joined: Nov 25, 2016
         

Re: [Article] Frank speaks on our new backcourt 

Post#1566 » by DOT » Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:27 pm

regGQ wrote:For real Frank needs to blow the team away when he gets on the court. Needs to play well enough to make every other PG expendable.

If the plan is to max Kyrie or Kemba, Frank on the roster makes the most sense basketball wise but they can’t justify that if DSJ, Mudiay and Kadeem continue to play better AND hungrier than him.

I mean, he's not gonna be a PG any more, so he isn't in competition with those guys

Plan looks like it's gonna be him, Dot, and Trier being interchangeable as 3rd guards, so I wouldn't be surprised if the rotation is DSJ/Mudiay/Allen
Frank/Trier
Dot/
Knox/Vonleh
DJ/Mitch

With Frank, Dot, Trier, and Knox playing the majority of minutes 2-4

No reason to pit guys against each other when they can play together
BaF Lakers:

Nikola Topic/Kasparas Jakucionis
VJ Edgecombe/Jrue Holiday
Shaedon Sharpe/Cedric Coward
Kyle Filipowski/Collin Murray-Boyles
Alex Sarr/Clint Capela

Bench: Malcolm Brogdon/Hansen Yang/Rocco Zikarsky/RJ Luis Jr.
User avatar
Jalen Bluntson
RealGM
Posts: 25,506
And1: 27,206
Joined: Nov 07, 2012
       

Re: [Article] Frank speaks on our new backcourt 

Post#1567 » by Jalen Bluntson » Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:39 pm

K-DOT wrote:
regGQ wrote:For real Frank needs to blow the team away when he gets on the court. Needs to play well enough to make every other PG expendable.

If the plan is to max Kyrie or Kemba, Frank on the roster makes the most sense basketball wise but they can’t justify that if DSJ, Mudiay and Kadeem continue to play better AND hungrier than him.

I mean, he's not gonna be a PG any more, so he isn't in competition with those guys

Plan looks like it's gonna be him, Dot, and Trier being interchangeable as 3rd guards, so I wouldn't be surprised if the rotation is DSJ/Mudiay/Allen
Frank/Trier
Dot/
Knox/Vonleh
DJ/Mitch

With Frank, Dot, Trier, and Knox playing the majority of minutes 2-4

No reason to pit guys against each other when they can play together


Allen is back in Westchester right now.

Frank is definitely assed out at PG the rest of the way. As long as we see DSJ/Frank with Dot/Knox/Mitch as often as possible...I'm good.
:beer: RIP mags
User avatar
Jeff Van Gully
Forum Mod - Knicks
Forum Mod - Knicks
Posts: 30,615
And1: 30,814
Joined: Jul 31, 2010
     

Re: [Article] Frank speaks on our new backcourt 

Post#1568 » by Jeff Van Gully » Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:36 pm

Are We Ther Yet wrote:
K-DOT wrote:
regGQ wrote:For real Frank needs to blow the team away when he gets on the court. Needs to play well enough to make every other PG expendable.

If the plan is to max Kyrie or Kemba, Frank on the roster makes the most sense basketball wise but they can’t justify that if DSJ, Mudiay and Kadeem continue to play better AND hungrier than him.

I mean, he's not gonna be a PG any more, so he isn't in competition with those guys

Plan looks like it's gonna be him, Dot, and Trier being interchangeable as 3rd guards, so I wouldn't be surprised if the rotation is DSJ/Mudiay/Allen
Frank/Trier
Dot/
Knox/Vonleh
DJ/Mitch

With Frank, Dot, Trier, and Knox playing the majority of minutes 2-4

No reason to pit guys against each other when they can play together


Allen is back in Westchester right now.

Frank is definitely assed out at PG the rest of the way. As long as we see DSJ/Frank with Dot/Knox/Mitch as often as possible...I'm good.


ass. out. :lol:
RIP magnumt

thanks for everything, thibs.

Knicks Forum: State of the Board - Summer 2025
avatar by evevale
BeagleBoss
General Manager
Posts: 8,078
And1: 4,331
Joined: Nov 26, 2011

Re: [Article] Frank speaks on our new backcourt 

Post#1569 » by BeagleBoss » Tue Feb 26, 2019 2:15 pm

Why don't they send Ntilikina to Westchester? It's perfect for kids like him. Look what it's done for players like Galloway and Burke.
NJ-NYK-17
Junior
Posts: 483
And1: 431
Joined: Feb 07, 2018
     

Re: [Article] Frank speaks on our new backcourt 

Post#1570 » by NJ-NYK-17 » Tue Feb 26, 2019 3:00 pm

matchman wrote:Mitch
Zion
Knox
Frank
DSJr

Our future starting lineup? Sign me in.


Man....as much as I want some supermax studs here....that team would be so much fun to watch for a year
NYKAL
General Manager
Posts: 8,628
And1: 2,157
Joined: Nov 10, 2004
Location: LAND O NOD

Re: [Article] Frank speaks on our new backcourt 

Post#1571 » by NYKAL » Tue Feb 26, 2019 3:28 pm

regGQ wrote:For real Frank needs to blow the team away when he gets on the court. Needs to play well enough to make every other PG expendable.

If the plan is to max Kyrie or Kemba, Frank on the roster makes the most sense basketball wise but they can’t justify that if DSJ, Mudiay and Kadeem continue to play better AND hungrier than him.


yet, he hasn't done that at any time this season. Hell, even Muiday outplayed him so, I have no expectation of this coming to pass. I fully expected him to Kill the position early on but, he never did. I think he's just too passive to be anything more than an excellent complimentary player who can make the right pass. This isn't even a bad thing. I would have him spend the summer working on hitting the corner 3. If he can hit that with some consistency, with his defense, he'd be even more valuable.
taj2133
General Manager
Posts: 7,504
And1: 2,972
Joined: Jun 14, 2009

Re: [Article] Frank speaks on our new backcourt 

Post#1572 » by taj2133 » Tue Feb 26, 2019 3:33 pm

Frank Ntilikina (groin) has been ruled out of Tuesday's game vs. Orlando.
No surprise here, as it was reported over the weekend that Ntilikina is still without a timetable for his return. With both Dennis Smith Jr. and Emmanuel Mudiay playing well, Frank will have a tough time getting consistent minutes even when he's fully healthy.
https://www.rotoworld.com/sports/nba/basketball
User avatar
Phish Tank
RealGM
Posts: 19,766
And1: 12,713
Joined: Nov 09, 2004
Location: Your Timepiece
   

Re: [Article] Frank speaks on our new backcourt 

Post#1573 » by Phish Tank » Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:22 pm

taj2133 wrote:Frank Ntilikina (groin) has been ruled out of Tuesday's game vs. Orlando.
No surprise here, as it was reported over the weekend that Ntilikina is still without a timetable for his return. With both Dennis Smith Jr. and Emmanuel Mudiay playing well, Frank will have a tough time getting consistent minutes even when he's fully healthy.
https://www.rotoworld.com/sports/nba/basketball


thank you computer
Image
User avatar
Jalen Bluntson
RealGM
Posts: 25,506
And1: 27,206
Joined: Nov 07, 2012
       

Re: [Article] Frank speaks on our new backcourt 

Post#1574 » by Jalen Bluntson » Tue Feb 26, 2019 5:05 pm

NYKAL wrote:
regGQ wrote:For real Frank needs to blow the team away when he gets on the court. Needs to play well enough to make every other PG expendable.

If the plan is to max Kyrie or Kemba, Frank on the roster makes the most sense basketball wise but they can’t justify that if DSJ, Mudiay and Kadeem continue to play better AND hungrier than him.


yet, he hasn't done that at any time this season. Hell, even Muiday outplayed him so, I have no expectation of this coming to pass. I fully expected him to Kill the position early on but, he never did. I think he's just too passive to be anything more than an excellent complimentary player who can make the right pass. This isn't even a bad thing. I would have him spend the summer working on hitting the corner 3. If he can hit that with some consistency, with his defense, he'd be even more valuable.


Statistically...the team played better with Frank than any other PG on both ends of the court. He personally didn't go off and wow anyone but...the team played much better.

Now...he's playing minutes as the off ball guard or nothing at all. He is the perfect guard to play next to DSJ or mud.
:beer: RIP mags
WargamesX
RealGM
Posts: 10,846
And1: 8,101
Joined: Apr 10, 2017
   

Re: [Article] Frank speaks on our new backcourt 

Post#1575 » by WargamesX » Tue Feb 26, 2019 5:22 pm

Are We Ther Yet wrote:
NYKAL wrote:
regGQ wrote:For real Frank needs to blow the team away when he gets on the court. Needs to play well enough to make every other PG expendable.

If the plan is to max Kyrie or Kemba, Frank on the roster makes the most sense basketball wise but they can’t justify that if DSJ, Mudiay and Kadeem continue to play better AND hungrier than him.


yet, he hasn't done that at any time this season. Hell, even Muiday outplayed him so, I have no expectation of this coming to pass. I fully expected him to Kill the position early on but, he never did. I think he's just too passive to be anything more than an excellent complimentary player who can make the right pass. This isn't even a bad thing. I would have him spend the summer working on hitting the corner 3. If he can hit that with some consistency, with his defense, he'd be even more valuable.


Statistically...the team played better with Frank than any other PG on both ends of the court. He personally didn't go off and wow anyone but...the team played much better.

Now...he's playing minutes as the off ball guard or nothing at all. He is the perfect guard to play next to DSJ or mud.


I've said it here a few times, I felt like Phil drafted him to be more of a SG who could share minutes with Lee, and then Mills gave Timmy that contract and the team realized they had no PG and tried to fit Frank at PG because they had spent so much money on Timmy he had to start.

With Timmy gone I expect them to mostly play Frank to SG going forward.
Matthew 6:5
Luke 15:3-7
taj2133
General Manager
Posts: 7,504
And1: 2,972
Joined: Jun 14, 2009

Re: [Article] Frank speaks on our new backcourt 

Post#1576 » by taj2133 » Tue Feb 26, 2019 5:36 pm

WargamesX wrote:
Are We Ther Yet wrote:
NYKAL wrote:
yet, he hasn't done that at any time this season. Hell, even Muiday outplayed him so, I have no expectation of this coming to pass. I fully expected him to Kill the position early on but, he never did. I think he's just too passive to be anything more than an excellent complimentary player who can make the right pass. This isn't even a bad thing. I would have him spend the summer working on hitting the corner 3. If he can hit that with some consistency, with his defense, he'd be even more valuable.


Statistically...the team played better with Frank than any other PG on both ends of the court. He personally didn't go off and wow anyone but...the team played much better.

Now...he's playing minutes as the off ball guard or nothing at all. He is the perfect guard to play next to DSJ or mud.


I've said it here a few times, I felt like Phil drafted him to be more of a SG who could share minutes with Lee, and then Mills gave Timmy that contract and the team realized they had no PG and tried to fit Frank at PG because they had spent so much money on Timmy he had to start.

With Timmy gone I expect them to mostly play Frank to SG going forward.

There is kind of problem with frank playing shooting guard that is he has to be lot more aggressive on offense, that is not something frank is are ever be. If the knicks land kevin durant and kyrie iriving , frank isn't going to be starting shooting guard on this team either going to be dotson or rj barret if the knicks don't get zion. I don't think he would be the starter if don't get kd or kyrie iriving it would be either dotson or rj barret. I think frank needs to go different team to established him self like team like the suns or memphis, it would be better for him no pressure for him. Its also hard to say if knicks can trade frank because his value is very low when i mean is value is low its very low.
NYKAL
General Manager
Posts: 8,628
And1: 2,157
Joined: Nov 10, 2004
Location: LAND O NOD

Re: [Article] Frank speaks on our new backcourt 

Post#1577 » by NYKAL » Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:17 pm

Are We Ther Yet wrote:
NYKAL wrote:
regGQ wrote:For real Frank needs to blow the team away when he gets on the court. Needs to play well enough to make every other PG expendable.

If the plan is to max Kyrie or Kemba, Frank on the roster makes the most sense basketball wise but they can’t justify that if DSJ, Mudiay and Kadeem continue to play better AND hungrier than him.


yet, he hasn't done that at any time this season. Hell, even Muiday outplayed him so, I have no expectation of this coming to pass. I fully expected him to Kill the position early on but, he never did. I think he's just too passive to be anything more than an excellent complimentary player who can make the right pass. This isn't even a bad thing. I would have him spend the summer working on hitting the corner 3. If he can hit that with some consistency, with his defense, he'd be even more valuable.


Statistically...the team played better with Frank than any other PG on both ends of the court. He personally didn't go off and wow anyone but...the team played much better.

Now...he's playing minutes as the off ball guard or nothing at all. He is the perfect guard to play next to DSJ or mud.


and according to all analytics and advanced stats, the Bucks are favored to beat Golden State away or at home. Therefore, to quote Jalen Rose, Analytics and Stats are tools in the box, NOT the tool box. Stats mislead. Lastly, how often did he play lead guard in those games? I think you will find that when we played better with him on the floor, he WAS NOT playing PG
User avatar
2010
RealGM
Posts: 37,630
And1: 42,880
Joined: Jul 24, 2008
       

Re: [Article] Frank speaks on our new backcourt 

Post#1578 » by 2010 » Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:23 pm

Frank kinda soft. He be taking mad long to come back from injuries. And Knox is younger yet seems more durable. Yet dudes are throwing the towel in on Knox and still being hopeful for Frank. Iono man. The one thing Frank has going for him is versatility. He can play 3 positions so it affords him the luxury of being able to fit with many different types of players/lineups. But if he was shorter and strictly a PG and showed what he has shown thus far, dude may have been dealt already. What I am basically saying is Frank better be thanking the fk out of his moms/pops for having the genetics for good height and long ass arms.
Image

2024 & 2025 Bubble Champions (Repeat)

1: White | Nembhard | Smart
2: Sharpe | Wallace | Clark
3: Thompson | Dort | Rupert
4: Wembanyama | Green | Bol
5: Gobert | Drummond | Mamukelashvili
User avatar
Capn'O
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 90,858
And1: 111,110
Joined: Dec 16, 2005
Location: Bone Goal
 

Re: [Article] Frank speaks on our new backcourt 

Post#1579 » by Capn'O » Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:34 pm

Does he even still have a groin?
BAF Clippers:
UNDER CONSTRUCTION - PLEASE INQUIRE WITHIN

:beer:
User avatar
Jalen Bluntson
RealGM
Posts: 25,506
And1: 27,206
Joined: Nov 07, 2012
       

Re: [Article] Frank speaks on our new backcourt 

Post#1580 » by Jalen Bluntson » Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:34 pm

NYKAL wrote:
Are We Ther Yet wrote:
NYKAL wrote:
yet, he hasn't done that at any time this season. Hell, even Muiday outplayed him so, I have no expectation of this coming to pass. I fully expected him to Kill the position early on but, he never did. I think he's just too passive to be anything more than an excellent complimentary player who can make the right pass. This isn't even a bad thing. I would have him spend the summer working on hitting the corner 3. If he can hit that with some consistency, with his defense, he'd be even more valuable.


Statistically...the team played better with Frank than any other PG on both ends of the court. He personally didn't go off and wow anyone but...the team played much better.

Now...he's playing minutes as the off ball guard or nothing at all. He is the perfect guard to play next to DSJ or mud.


and according to all analytics and advanced stats, the Bucks are favored to beat Golden State away or at home. Therefore, to quote Jalen Rose, Analytics and Stats are tools in the box, NOT the tool box. Stats mislead. Lastly, how often did he play lead guard in those games? I think you will find that when we played better with him on the floor, he WAS NOT playing PG


Yeah...I'm aware about stats. Watching the team...The ball moved more and the team played better defense...when Frank was the PG. Whenever he was on the floor...the team played better. Most of the time.

Just play him with DSJ/Dot/Knox/Mitch. That's all I ask. That's what I'm dying to see.
:beer: RIP mags

Return to New York Knicks