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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft thread 1 

Post#1561 » by dukeknicksirish » Wed Jan 6, 2021 5:35 am

With the range we might have with the Dallas pick 16-20 (or optimism) our pick , in the 10-16 :

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“Keon Johnson
6-5, 185, SG, Fr., Tennessee – He won’t put up huge numbers on a loaded Vols team this season, but there’s so much potential. Johnson is a terrific athlete who can explode with his first step and finish above the rim. He’ll also be a big-time defender in the NBA due to his athleticism, instincts and willingness to guard. Johnson will need to work on his perimeter shot, but that should improve in time.

2020-21 Stats: 8.0 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 2.0 apg

I can see him taking his first year to learn / develop behind Alec before he takes over as the starting 2 in his second season for us. He has a natural instinct on the defensive end and his offense continues to improve through ever game at Tennessee. ”


Dallas Pick
“Cameron Thomas
6-4, 210, SG, Fr., LSU – He can just get buckets.
Thomas is able to put points on the board in a hurry and is most effective getting to the basket with a quick first step. He’ll have to become a more reliable 3-point shooter, but he’s more of a scorer than a shooter.

2020-21 Stats: 24.6 ppg, 35% 3-pointers

Thomas would be an instant scoring plug off the bench for us, even in his first season. The kid can flat out score and could be the lead scoring option for our second unit”

Detroit Pick
“ Terrence Clarke, 6-7, 195, G, Fr., Kentucky – He’s a long and athletic forward who — much like most of his teammates — has struggled early on in his career. Clarke is a streaky 3-point shooter who needs to work on his decision-making and defensive skills.

2020-21 Stats: 10.7 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 23% 3-pointers

Well well well... CAA action has to begin somewhere right? Lol but for real, having a player with his upside would be a blessing to take with our early 2nd round trout pick”


Charlotte Pick
“ Charles Bassey
6-11, 235, PF, Jr., Western Kentucky – Bassey is a big, strong and athletic big man from Nigeria who missed most of his sophomore campaign after suffering a broken tibia. Bassey plays hard, can score in the paint, rebounds at a high level and is a guy who can protect the rim.

2020-21 Stats: 16.3 ppg, 11.1 rpg, 3.2 bpg

He would be a serviceable back up to Mitch. He has expanded his range during his 2nd year in college”


2021-2022 Knicks lineup
IQ/Thomas
Burks/Johnson
Barret / Clarke
Randle/Obi
Robinson/Bassey

That’s a lineup that I can’t see being lottery bound 8-)
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft thread 1 

Post#1562 » by WargamesX » Wed Jan 6, 2021 6:10 am

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robillionaire wrote:I'm really thinking 20-30 range with the Kispert idea, seeing as how one or more of our 2 picks will probably be there. I'm not even entertaining the idea of picking at the top of the draft anymore


You sound like a quitter.

If the league can gift us just a star talent I think the Knicks could win a championship in time. I don’t know if it’s our pick, the Mavs pick, or something else but you got to keep hope alive.

Regular season is one thing, playoffs are another. Also we are literally in the toughest division in the league. Not a bad team in the division if the Raptors wake up. Also if they are bad they sure woke up and beat us...... Ya’ll need to have a little more patience.


I think we can make the playoffs and I'm the quitter? Ok, I quit having a loser mentality, sorry everybody :lol:

20-30 range is for the mavs pick and even if we miss the playoffs it looks unlikely we will be picking top 10. right now our picks would be #15 and #20. I'm just saying I'm going to look more at the players in the mid 1st round instead of hyperfocusing on players we will never get like suggs and cunnhingham


Take that short term thinking elsewhere :nonono: . There this thing ya’ll forgot that sucks called being a treadmill team. We were it the entire time Melo was here because the Knicks didn’t maximize assets. The Knicks are in that rare window of not sucking, and not being one of those. If a team doesn’t maximize their assets during that window they don’t become a championship team.

Just think about it.. A young core, mostly on rookie deals, that doesn’t have a bad deal on the roster, a high pick in this draft (and the assets to try and get higher), and room to add significant talent in FA.

I am not saying the Knicks need to suck but they should not run the core into the ground to take themselves out of lottery for marquee talent like Cade, Green, or Suggs to chase a late playoff push. Hell 20-30 is out of range for Zaire, Bouknight, Moody, and Keon. Aka the type of guys who all have the outside shooting we would need to get over the hump. I am not a loser, I just see this window for what it is and yeah we are short handed so Thibs is squeezing out the wins, but once those guys heal up we shouldn’t be playing playoff rotations during the first quarter of the season to get wins on teams. We do it right this year, we’ll be beating them all regularly soon enough.
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft thread 1 

Post#1563 » by Fat » Wed Jan 6, 2021 6:16 am

I’m surprised guys not on the James bouknight wagon yet. He’s got the athleticism, handles, and scoring package.
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Post#1564 » by HEZI » Wed Jan 6, 2021 6:18 am

Angryfatboy wrote:I’m surprised guys not on the James bouknight wagon yet. He’s got the athleticism, handles, and scoring package.


I've heard some hype about him. What's his game like? Any comparisons that jump at you off the dome?
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft thread 1 

Post#1565 » by Fat » Wed Jan 6, 2021 6:30 am

HEZI wrote:
Angryfatboy wrote:I’m surprised guys not on the James bouknight wagon yet. He’s got the athleticism, handles, and scoring package.


I've heard some hype about him. What's his game like? Any comparisons that jump at you off the dome?


Looks like a Zach Lavine lite to me
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft thread 1 

Post#1566 » by HEZI » Wed Jan 6, 2021 6:38 am

Angryfatboy wrote:
HEZI wrote:
Angryfatboy wrote:I’m surprised guys not on the James bouknight wagon yet. He’s got the athleticism, handles, and scoring package.


I've heard some hype about him. What's his game like? Any comparisons that jump at you off the dome?


Looks like a Zach Lavine lite to me


Well that's intriguing for sure
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft thread 1 

Post#1567 » by Fat » Wed Jan 6, 2021 6:52 am

HEZI wrote:
Angryfatboy wrote:
HEZI wrote:
I've heard some hype about him. What's his game like? Any comparisons that jump at you off the dome?


Looks like a Zach Lavine lite to me


Well that's intriguing for sure


Yeah he’s a smooth athletic scorer with 3 level scoring ability and can create his own shot, good rebounder, strong in transition, 6”5 with a 6”9 wingspan for a guard.

If I’m going to give him a con it’s that His playmAking isn’t there, he shows flashes but it’s not his strength and he needs to get stronger he already looks stronger than his freshman year so he seems to be on pace in that department.
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft thread 1 

Post#1568 » by Fat » Wed Jan 6, 2021 7:13 am

WargamesX wrote:
robillionaire wrote:
WargamesX wrote:
You sound like a quitter.

If the league can gift us just a star talent I think the Knicks could win a championship in time. I don’t know if it’s our pick, the Mavs pick, or something else but you got to keep hope alive.

Regular season is one thing, playoffs are another. Also we are literally in the toughest division in the league. Not a bad team in the division if the Raptors wake up. Also if they are bad they sure woke up and beat us...... Ya’ll need to have a little more patience.


I think we can make the playoffs and I'm the quitter? Ok, I quit having a loser mentality, sorry everybody :lol:

20-30 range is for the mavs pick and even if we miss the playoffs it looks unlikely we will be picking top 10. right now our picks would be #15 and #20. I'm just saying I'm going to look more at the players in the mid 1st round instead of hyperfocusing on players we will never get like suggs and cunnhingham


Take that short term thinking elsewhere :nonono: . There this thing ya’ll forgot that sucks called being a treadmill team. We were it the entire time Melo was here because the Knicks didn’t maximize assets. The Knicks are in that rare window of not sucking, and not being one of those. If a team doesn’t maximize their assets during that window they don’t become a championship team.

Just think about it.. A young core, mostly on rookie deals, that doesn’t have a bad deal on the roster, a high pick in this draft (and the assets to try and get higher), and room to add significant talent in FA.

I am not saying the Knicks need to suck but they should not run the core into the ground to take themselves out of lottery for marquee talent like Cade, Green, or Suggs to chase a late playoff push. Hell 20-30 is out of range for Zaire, Bouknight, Moody, and Keon. Aka the type of guys who all have the outside shooting we would need to get over the hump. I am not a loser, I just see this window for what it is and yeah we are short handed so Thibs is squeezing out the wins, but once those guys heal up we shouldn’t be playing playoff rotations during the first quarter of the season to get wins on teams. We do it right this year, we’ll be beating them all regularly soon enough.


Culture development is equally as important I’m sure anyone would like to be in the top 5 in the draft but the Knicks are finally making progress and building a identity that shouldn’t be disrupted. It gives the young players confidence and entices bigger name free agents to come

You can draft smart and still become a good team. Push come to shove the Knicks should have enough assets to move up if they have there eye on somebody.
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft thread 1 

Post#1570 » by HEZI » Wed Jan 6, 2021 11:57 am

Angryfatboy wrote:
HEZI wrote:
Angryfatboy wrote:
Looks like a Zach Lavine lite to me


Well that's intriguing for sure


Yeah he’s a smooth athletic scorer with 3 level scoring ability and can create his own shot, good rebounder, strong in transition, 6”5 with a 6”9 wingspan for a guard.

If I’m going to give him a con it’s that His playmAking isn’t there, he shows flashes but it’s not his strength and he needs to get stronger he already looks stronger than his freshman year so he seems to be on pace in that department.


Where do you rank him among some of the other guys like a Josh Christopher for example?
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Post#1571 » by HerSports85 » Wed Jan 6, 2021 12:16 pm

Angryfatboy wrote:I’m surprised guys not on the James bouknight wagon yet. He’s got the athleticism, handles, and scoring package.


He’s definitely in my top 10. His offensive package is elite, I need to see more on defense, though
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Post#1572 » by Juco24 » Wed Jan 6, 2021 12:26 pm

Moses Moody is another guy I like... he's not flashy but has good size, frame and can shoot!
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Post#1573 » by 2010 » Wed Jan 6, 2021 12:43 pm

Juco24 wrote:Moses Moody is another guy I like... he's not flashy but has good size, frame and can shoot!


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Post#1575 » by 2010 » Wed Jan 6, 2021 12:51 pm

Angryfatboy wrote:I’m surprised guys not on the James bouknight wagon yet. He’s got the athleticism, handles, and scoring package.


I’m staying away from Bouknight and Christopher. These guys need to dominate the rock to be effective and I question their ability to play team ball. They fall in the Trier category if you ask me. And let’s be honest, they aren’t coming here and getting the offense ran through them. So the question becomes, if they aren’t putting up a high volume of shots, what else can they contribute besides scoring?

Thibs has the current Knicks teams sharing the ball. I think we need to continue to draft players who fit the culture that is being established.
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Post#1576 » by 2010 » Wed Jan 6, 2021 12:55 pm

Angryfatboy wrote:
HEZI wrote:
Angryfatboy wrote:I’m surprised guys not on the James bouknight wagon yet. He’s got the athleticism, handles, and scoring package.


I've heard some hype about him. What's his game like? Any comparisons that jump at you off the dome?


Looks like a Zach Lavine lite to me


No where near the quick twitch or explosive athlete LaVine is. Bouknight is more of a slick, skilled, savvy scorer who plays below the rim. Layups, fadeaway jumpers, up and unders, midrange game but can extend out to the 3, etc.

He can score at all three levels but is not a big playmaker, not a defender, and has an underdeveloped jaw :lol:
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Post#1577 » by knickstape21 » Wed Jan 6, 2021 1:01 pm



Anybody mention Cam Thomas yet? Strong option for us considering we might have 2 picks in the teens.
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Post#1578 » by 2010 » Wed Jan 6, 2021 1:01 pm

Ziaire, Moody, Kispert, Lewis, Clarke, Boston are wings who fit what we are building here.

Also, with a 2nd rounder don’t sleep on Landers Nolley III. He got injured early and is showing inefficiency upon his return but dude is a legit shooter and knows how to get buckets while having great size for a jump shooting wing at 6’7”.

No one is talking about him but he is a sneaky pick.
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Post#1579 » by 2010 » Wed Jan 6, 2021 1:44 pm

Cam Thomas is indeed a problem. Not a real PG but nevermind that! Dude is a player.
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft thread 1 

Post#1580 » by DOT » Wed Jan 6, 2021 3:58 pm

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No where near the quick twitch or explosive athlete LaVine is. Bouknight is more of a slick, skilled, savvy scorer who plays below the rim. Layups, fadeaway jumpers, up and unders, midrange game but can extend out to the 3, etc.

He can score at all three levels but is not a big playmaker, not a defender, and has an underdeveloped jaw :lol:

More of a Jeremy Lamb imo

He's good at scoring all around, but doesn't have one area he's elite at

Not a great defender or playmaker, but he does enough on defense to get by and he keeps the ball moving but doesn't create much for others

I mean, if you look at Lamb's last 3 years when he's been getting consistent minutes, he's put up 14/5/2 on 45/35/87 (.554 TS), which is about what I expect for Bouknight. Good 6th man to solid starter depending on team need and how much he can improve on defense, should go in the late lotto.
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