2020-2021 College/Draft Thread Part 3

[Zenzibar]

Tbh Kai Jones kinda reminds me of Jonathan Isaac before the injuries

If we draft a big, it'll signal a Mitch or Obi departure. Let's play attention to this move as a prelude.
In any event Kai's game has me

[Deeeez Knicks]

Houston is open to offers for that second pick. Curious about that asking price…

They would be crazy to completely trade out of this draft. Maybe if anything they move down a few spots and get future picks (like the Trae/Luka trade).

If the price is Wall + bunch of future picks I would do that but I dont think Houston would be interested.

Yeah maybe HOU and TOR can work something out. A lot of people think TOR wanted Mobley bad where he may not be there at #4.

Maybe HOU is more than happy with Green/Suggs whoever slips to 4 and picks up an extra 1st round pick to do it.

Something like that I can see and makes sense.

[ScienceOfLosing]

Playing at a controlled pace =/= Being slow. Cade has blown by / defended many guys much smaller than him all season. Also he's a better athlete than Luka. Even then, Players w/ Advanced Skills that are average athletes by NBA standards > Uber Athletes 10/10 times.

I agree, however he averaged 3.5 assists to 4.0 turnovers a game. This is bad and doesn’t strike me as advanced skills and Luka would never post these awful numbers running the point against poor competition no matter how bad his teammates allegedly are. He’s not as athletic as Ben Simmons either he is a very below the rim type player. And he doesn’t have Luka’s craftiness he relies on strength and bully ball which I don’t think will work as well at this level. He can shoot which is a big positive but I don’t think it’s going to be elite at it

There are not too many points in this post that are accurate about Cade.

1. If you watched him at all, he's extremely crafty.
2. The Big 12 was the best conference in college basketball. Hardly 'poor competition'
3. He was the best player in the best conference in basketball, and broke quite a few records as a freshman
4. Ben Simmons is not a horrible comparison. Imagine if Ben could shoot like Cade. That would be one hell of a player.
5. He's not 'below the rim'. He can and has dunked on a lot of people. He does all kinds of windmills and other crazy dunks
6. He's WAY more athletic than Luka
7. He's a great rebounder
8. Elite vision
9. Could develop into an elite defender in time. He has what it takes to get there
10. Basketball IQ is off the charts, similar to Luka

You're insane if you think he's going to be a bust. He's the best player in a loaded draft, and the best player among 3 other potential franchise players at the top of the draft. I'm guessing you didn't watch much OSU bball this past year. He was a man among boys.

For those who have not seen Cade play that much, watch this short highlight reel of his game against OU where he puts up 40. This was probably his best game in college, but he had so many it's hard to choose which one is best.

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Thanks for the short highlights. I really haven't kept up with the prospects much this year.
The IQ and craftiness jumps out at you but I didn't see 1 nice pass (think there was only 1 pass in the whole clip.)
Is his vision really elite? (I ask because it is a short clip.)

You can see his length can translate on D. Not a very quick guy though.

I wonder how he will do in the pro's getting off his shot. He is long but his release didn't strike me as quick. Just curious.

[El Poochio]

Tbh Kai Jones kinda reminds me of Jonathan Isaac before the injuries

Christian Wood vibes

[El Poochio]

Tbh Kai Jones kinda reminds me of Jonathan Isaac before the injuries

If we draft a big, it'll signal a Mitch or Obi departure. Let's play attention to this move as a prelude.
In any event Kai's game has me

Or Randle

Kai/Obi + Mitch Will just need Træ Young aka Sheriff Coop to lob them up

[El Poochio]

Ok expanding my list to Thor/Kai + Coop/McBride

[3toheadmelo]

Tbh Kai Jones kinda reminds me of Jonathan Isaac before the injuries

Christian Wood vibes

Maybe offensively but defensively is very different since Wood plays zero defense

[3toheadmelo]

Tbh Kai Jones kinda reminds me of Jonathan Isaac before the injuries

If we draft a big, it'll signal a Mitch or Obi departure. Let's play attention to this move as a prelude.
In any event Kai's game has me

Or Randle

Kai/Obi + Mitch Will just need Træ Young aka Sheriff Coop to lob them up

You know Randle not going anywhere

[thebuzzardman]

Houston is open to offers for that second pick. Curious about that asking price…

You'd have to think it starts with taking Wall off their hands. And then getting a good player back. Which the Knicks don't have to offer, sadly. At least not a player any team would really want or part with a #2 pick for.

I'd assume this is a dangle to teams like the Blazers maybe to accelerate a rebuild or some team with a good wing - you know, the kind of player that actually wins stuff in the NBA but the Knicks never really have.

You don't think an Obi, 2 firsts and absorbing $$$ Wall package, won't get us in the conversation with Houston?

Yeah, it probably gets us like 4th in line.

OKC might want to take him into space (can they still after Walker?) and trade up to #2
Maybe Portland wants to accelerate the rebuild
I'm sure I'm missing a couple.

I've been a Knick fan long enough. Just when you think "Oh, they are in pretty good shape to do X", you realize there are 6 other teams better positioned to do it.

It's kind of the reason people were hoping for one of those genius level POBO/GM types like Ujiri or Presti etc (not that anyone like that would have a single thing to do with Dolan) because that's how big the effort is to rebuild this mess.

Even though Perry mitigated enough of horrific Mills to where the Knicks aren't in awful shape. It's "ok".
Lots of teams well ahead of the curve to make real moves.

[El Poochio]

Tbh Kai Jones kinda reminds me of Jonathan Isaac before the injuries

Christian Wood vibes

Maybe offensively but defensively is very different since Wood plays zero defense

Cant go wrong with Texas bigs.. Aldridge, Myles Turner, Jarrett Allen.. whispers Jaxson Hayes and Mo Bamba

[thebuzzardman]

Really excited to see who the Knicks 10th and 11th men are.

[El Poochio]

If we draft a big, it'll signal a Mitch or Obi departure. Let's play attention to this move as a prelude.
In any event Kai's game has me

Or Randle

Kai/Obi + Mitch Will just need Træ Young aka Sheriff Coop to lob them up

You know Randle not going anywhere

Dont ruin Randle's career like Melo send him to a contender

[3toheadmelo]

Or Randle

Kai/Obi + Mitch Will just need Træ Young aka Sheriff Coop to lob them up

You know Randle not going anywhere

Dont ruin Randle's career like Melo send him to a contender

No worries i made him a winner in BAF

[louisorr]

Christian Wood vibes

Maybe offensively but defensively is very different since Wood plays zero defense

Cant go wrong with Texas bigs.. Aldridge, Myles Turner, Jarrett Allen.. whispers Jaxson Hayes and Mo Bamba

any of you remember that Knicks fan who was a physical therapist and gave breakdowns on why KP's knees were likely injury prone?
I see the same inward collapsing knee/hip physiology when I watch kai jones and even more so with neemias queta. makes me wonder if either will hold up to the nba grind. and good lord it is a grind.

[El Poochio]

You know Randle not going anywhere

Dont ruin Randle's career like Melo send him to a contender

No worries i made him a winner in BAF

If Træ wins a chip with Hawks before Pelicans does that mean I have to resign

[El Poochio]

Maybe offensively but defensively is very different since Wood plays zero defense

Cant go wrong with Texas bigs.. Aldridge, Myles Turner, Jarrett Allen.. whispers Jaxson Hayes and Mo Bamba

any of you remember that Knicks fan who was a physical therapist and gave breakdowns on why KP's knees were likely injury prone?
I see the same inward collapsing knee/hip physiology when I watch kai jones and even more so with neemias queta. makes me wonder if either will hold up to the nba grind. and good lord it is a grind.

Yeah skinny bigs are scary but we have late firsts not like we have the #1 pick

[3toheadmelo]

Dont ruin Randle's career like Melo send him to a contender

No worries i made him a winner in BAF

If Træ wins a chip with Hawks before Pelicans does that mean I have to resign

Yes and you’ll have to trade Trae young to me for Troy brown jr

[jvsimonetti0514]

Been watching Kai Jones recently and he is pretty nice. Like his fit with Randle

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he has a lot of physical tools. Would take a lot of time with development but he's one of the big upside guys in the draft.

I think he didn't start playing organized basketball until he was 15. So basically he is just going of instincts and athleticism right now but there is a lot of potential.

My guess though the Knicks would select Isaiah Jackson from Kenucky (obvious connections) over Kai Jones, Rim running big with elite shot blocking and ability to guard on the perimeter. Kinda a souped up Noel.

The ringer has Kai going in the lottery but if Jackson and Kai are on the board for us, I’d hope the brain trust would see Kai’s jumper and go in that direction instead. Much rather not have to pray for a big to develop a jumper instead of someone with one already. Thibs and the gang know how important that shot is nowadays.

[mpharris36]

Been watching Kai Jones recently and he is pretty nice. Like his fit with Randle

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he has a lot of physical tools. Would take a lot of time with development but he's one of the big upside guys in the draft.

I think he didn't start playing organized basketball until he was 15. So basically he is just going of instincts and athleticism right now but there is a lot of potential.

My guess though the Knicks would select Isaiah Jackson from Kenucky (obvious connections) over Kai Jones, Rim running big with elite shot blocking and ability to guard on the perimeter. Kinda a souped up Noel.

The ringer has Kai going in the lottery but if Jackson and Kai are on the board for us, I’d hope the brain trust would see Kai’s jumper and go in that direction instead. Much rather not have to pray for a big to develop a jumper instead of someone with one already. Thibs and the gang know how important that shot is nowadays.

Thibs might not have the patience for the development that Jones needs. I agree getting a big with more of a potential to shoot has much higher upside.

But look at the centers the knicks have. Mitch/Noel and they signed Pelle. All don't have jumpers and I don't think that is a necessity in a thibs system. Then the obvious Kentucky connections are there. We shall see.

[El Poochio]

No worries i made him a winner in BAF

If Træ wins a chip with Hawks before Pelicans does that mean I have to resign

Yes and you’ll have to trade Trae young to me for Troy brown jr

Crowderyton to the rescue

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