Cavs v Warriors (Around the NBA Finals)

[Rasho Brezec]

Only Pharmcat can turn someone calling him out back around to fit his agenda. This is why he's the best.

[Concrete Jungle]

how about jackson devaluing the 3 pt shot, yet the team that won it all has it as an importance piece of their offensive

bad look for jackson

how about you saying the cavs would role through this series after going up 2-1...I think specifically you said the warriors wouldn't win another game....

a wrong prediction is different than a wrong philosophy. Jackson philosophy is flawed in devaluing the 3 pointer, as the team that won the ring values it so much and disproved Jackson

I think you're missing what Phil was saying

[Pharmcat]

how about you saying the cavs would role through this series after going up 2-1...I think specifically you said the warriors wouldn't win another game....

a wrong prediction is different than a wrong philosophy. Jackson philosophy is flawed in devaluing the 3 pointer, as the team that won the ring values it so much and disproved Jackson

Maybe your bad prediction is a sign of faulty overall judgment.

actually jackson is the one with the faulty judgment, he thought odom was better signing than Whiteside (who others in the organization wanted)

[Pharmcat]

how about you saying the cavs would role through this series after going up 2-1...I think specifically you said the warriors wouldn't win another game....

a wrong prediction is different than a wrong philosophy. Jackson philosophy is flawed in devaluing the 3 pointer, as the team that won the ring values it so much and disproved Jackson

I think you're missing what Phil was saying

he went on twitter and railed against the 3 pt shot, yet teams who made POs runs this year value it as an important piece of their offense plan. Including the team who won the ring. Phil looks really foolish with those comments. It just goes to show how Jackson is not in tune with the current game

[Pharmcat]

Well, he's not going to admit he was wrong about the final outcome because that means he has to give Phil credit for trading Jr, Shump. Lets be honest him, Isola and ian mcconer are all salty today because they wanted the Cavs to win so bad so they can say 'see Phil handed the Cavs a championship!'

i got the prediction wrong, it happens. but that is irrelevant to the fact jackson traded all his pieces at below market value and got nothing substantial in return.

Sure it's relevant.

The Jackson traded all his pieces below market value is a subjective, personal judgment.

You have demonstrated your subjective, personal judgment is flawed.

1+1=2

its not subjective....mosgov got 2 first rd picks, jackson couldnt even land one for tyson. that trade was terrible in the end.

[aq_ua]

i got the prediction wrong, it happens. but that is irrelevant to the fact jackson traded all his pieces at below market value and got nothing substantial in return.

Sure it's relevant.

The Jackson traded all his pieces below market value is a subjective, personal judgment.

You have demonstrated your subjective, personal judgment is flawed.

1+1=2

its not subjective....mosgov got 2 first rd picks, jackson couldnt even land one for tyson. that trade was terrible in the end.

I honestly think Phil made the trade expecting to be competitive and making the playoffs last year. Therefore, he went for veterans rather than draft picks. The fault in Phil is not for landing draft picks, it's for so overestimating this roster and what Fisher could do in his first year as a coach that he totally pursued the wrong strategy from the get go. Maybe he couldn't because he had to re-sign Melo (the trade was made on June 25th while Melo re-signed on July 13th). Maybe you can even go as far as to say getting the trade was necessary in order to get Melo to re-sign. Who knows. However, there was a lot that went wrong during those first few months of Phil from a strategy aspect, not necessary the execution thereof.

[And100]

i got the prediction wrong, it happens. but that is irrelevant to the fact jackson traded all his pieces at below market value and got nothing substantial in return.

Sure it's relevant.

The Jackson traded all his pieces below market value is a subjective, personal judgment.

You have demonstrated your subjective, personal judgment is flawed.

1+1=2

its not subjective....mosgov got 2 first rd picks, jackson couldnt even land one for tyson. that trade was terrible in the end.

You're further undermining the credibility your own opinion by failing to acknowledge that its your opinion. People think by claiming their view is an objective fact rather than a subjective opinion that somehow their case is stronger, but it has the opposite effect. It suggests you can't tell the difference and therefore your judgment is impaired.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11135060/dallas-mavericks-acquire-tyson-chandler-raymond-felton-new-york-knicks

Even ESPN recognizes there was more to the trade than you're acknowledging, including dumping Felton, getting what was a then-serviceable center on an expiring, two second round picks and Larkin, who was still on his rookie contract as the 18th pick a year before, effectively a 1st rounder.

That isn't to say it was a good trade, but you come off as utterly unreasonable and just as someone with a ax to grind when you at least acknowledge what the trade was.

But that's your choice.

[N8isScofield]

dude...

he also had 9 asts a game.


Why are we even arguing this? outside of g6, he was a complete beast.

Cleveland loses every game by 20+ without him.

Did you not read where I said that the assists and rebounds were impressive? He was hardly a best if he could only hit 39% of his shots against smaller players. Just stop it. If Melo or Kobe took 33 shots a night they'd put up the same scoring numbers if not better and everyone would be killing them for taking so many shots. If Jordan had taken 33 shots a night he'd have averaged 50. Again, Lebron rebounded well (against a small team) and assisted well(which he usually does) and I don't deny that. He shot like garbage for the entire playoffs though and to ignore this and suck him off like he did something impossible is pathetic. Give any elite player 33 shots a game and they can probably get you 36 points. When did being terribly inefficient become something to worship?

dude, i hate to say this, but i will.


you dont understand high level basketball.


He was the only offensive threat on the floor, and their entire offense was built around him.


in g1-2 LeBron ISO'd the post because GS sometimes came with a double and LeBron made them pay by always making the right pass for easy buckets

then g3 on, GS pretty much only brought help defense at the last second when Lebron went up to make a shot. GS was hardened into playing LeBron 1on1 as long as they could

Without LeBron look at their **** team. It's straight garbage. The only sets they could run were for JR Smith who is a (Please Use More Appropriate Word) and is only good for jacking up threes at an average shooting %.

If they had anyone else take those shots, or asked LeBron to shoot less, they lose by 20 every single game. LeBron had to take those shots. Look at how many cleanup points Moz + TT had in game 4 and 5, two games they also lost for the record. Just saying that LeBron shot 39% is not even 20% of the entire story.


And all of those drives he had thoughout the entire series are fouls like atleast 50% of the time in the regular season.

Dude. You're an idiot. You don't understand BASIC BASKETBALL let alone high level basketball. Ignore.

[Concrete Jungle]

a wrong prediction is different than a wrong philosophy. Jackson philosophy is flawed in devaluing the 3 pointer, as the team that won the ring values it so much and disproved Jackson

I think you're missing what Phil was saying

he went on twitter and railed against the 3 pt shot, yet teams who made POs runs this year value it as an important piece of their offense plan. Including the team who won the ring. Phil looks really foolish with those comments. It just goes to show how Jackson is not in tune with the current game

Games 1-3 GSW was lacking penetration which is why they weren't getting open looks, Phil was right 1st rule of offense is penetration. Games 4-6 they decided to spread the floor and utilize the high pick n roll(Spurs) and they began getting better looks. Phil was right, it cant just be about the 3 ball.