[Camelo Thread]**UPDATE MELO PUSHING FOR KNICKS**- Part 4

[Deeeez Knicks]

We cant sign Melo if we aquire Camby, he just signed an enormous extension in the offseason. Thats the reason why they wanna get rid of him...

If we trade for Melo then trade for Camby we can.

The key though is getting Melo first.

[janquinn]

Iam sorry if you shoot 40% from the field you are not a efficient ball player. I dont give a **** about your ft%. TS% is like gumbo just mix in ft%, fg%, and 3pt% we got player's efficiency levels. What other so called great shooter you want the ball in his hand's that have a fg% at 40%.

I can't believe you actually answered that post, it was a lame attempt for irony. Obviously, you're dead wrong, but i already made my arguments about that, numerous times. How about points per posession? Would that be a good measure for you guys for scoring efficiency?

Keep pulling those lame stats out your ass. . You dont have to defend player's like Dirk or Ray Allen with these bogus stat's. You know why because they shoot the ball at a 48- 50% rate from the field. You dont have to inflate there number's with 3pt% and ft% to prove their are efficient player's. If you want to say a player's that shoot 40% from the field is efficient go a head. Keep using your John Hollinger handy dandy notebook.

[defjux21]

^^ Thanks a lot. I remember viewing this post not too long ago, but I guess it didn't take long for it to be buried.

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

My two cents is that I think we are going to give up more than many people expect. I strongly believe that either Gallo or Chandler will be a goner. We are going to pay less than fair value for Melo but we are not going to get him for Bill Walker and a 2nd round pick either.

Yeah, I think so too. I would love to keep Gallo, Chandler, and Fields, but realistically, it will probably be AR, Gallo/Chandler, Curry, and filler.

[Jitpal]

I don't know if anyone heard on 1050 but they had Sheridan on and they asked him about the conflicting reports by Isola and others. He was direct and said that everyone else is wrong. He said you can "take his story to the bank." He said Orlando or another team might be in play but that's without an extension. He also expects that the Knicks offer would be better than what those teams would offer. -Jitpal

[MaseInYourFace]

But Gallo is efficient because he doesn't take a lot of shots. Now if he took a lot of shots and still only shot at a 40% clip that would be another argument...

Gallo's a good player don't really see the need to go into these statistical tangents. If you know the league and have seen him enough you know he is a good player. The Chandler vs. Gallo thing if you wanna take it there should come down to who would be a better fit on a team with Amare and Melo...

[duetta]

I would also pitch the June scenario to Denver (especially since Hahn thinks that they'll keep him through February for attendance purposes): Denver keeps Melo all season, tries to resign him, and if by the June draft they're convinced that he has his heart set on the Knicks, we select a player for them with our 2011 pick (which we technically cannot trade to them at the present time) plus another asset (resigned Chandler or Randolph), plus an additional #1.

[knicks742]

I would also pitch the June scenario to Denver (especially since Hahn thinks that they'll keep him through February for attendance purposes): Denver keeps Melo all season, tries to resign him, and if by the June draft they're convinced that he has his heart set on the Knicks, we select a player for them with our 2011 pick (which we technically cannot trade to them at the present time) plus another asset (resigned Chandler or Randolph), plus an additional #1.

Good point but is it ok to do that under NBA rules? I guess it would be no different than the Bulls trading Hinrich which they agreed to do on draft night 2010 and it didn't happen until July when the Wizards officially were under the cap.

I wonder what it would take to get a 2012 first rounder from like the Lakers or Celtics just so we have a 2012 pick and we can include the 2011 pick in the trade. Although I guess since the Rockets have the right to swap, our 2011 pick is not as sexy as it could be.

[bklynstoops]

We cant sign Melo if we aquire Camby, he just signed an enormous extension in the offseason. Thats the reason why they wanna get rid of him...

If we trade for Melo then trade for Camby we can.

The key though is getting Melo first.

here's the thing. What does that cost? I'm going to guess by the end of that, you lost AR, Gallo, Chandler, Fields. Now you've got long contracts, no cap room, no picks, and a two-year window where Camby is serviceable. Do you see that team as a championship team? Because you're not adding much for awhile. I know it's been a long time since we had a contender, but I'd still rather enjoy watching this team develop this year and see what the landscape looks like this offseason.

[Johnny Firpo]

Iam sorry if you shoot 40% from the field you are not a efficient ball player. I dont give a **** about your ft%. TS% is like gumbo just mix in ft%, fg%, and 3pt% we got player's efficiency levels. What other so called great shooter you want the ball in his hand's that have a fg% at 40%.

I can't believe you actually answered that post, it was a lame attempt for irony. Obviously, you're dead wrong, but i already made my arguments about that, numerous times. How about points per posession? Would that be a good measure for you guys for scoring efficiency?

Keep pulling those lame stats out your ass. . You dont have to defend player's like Dirk or Ray Allen with these bogus stat's. You know why because they shoot the ball at a 48- 50% rate from the field. You dont have to inflate there number's with 3pt% and ft% to prove their are efficient player's. If you want to say a player's that shoot 40% from the field is efficient go a head. Keep using you John Hollinger handy dandy notebook.

All right, i gave up, you're right, doesn't matter how many point a player scores per possession, the most important thing is FG%. For example, who cares if the higher FG% guy scores 1,2 points per possession, and the lower FG% guy scores 1,6 points per possession, i mean, it's not like in that sport the winner is who has the more points at the end of the game. Good day.

[janquinn]

But Gallo is efficient because he doesn't take a lot of shots. Now if he took a lot of shots and still only shot at a 40% clip that would be another argument...

Gallo's a good player don't really see the need to go into these statistical tangents. If you know the league and have seen him enough you know he is a good player. The Chandler vs. Gallo thing if you wanna take it there should come down to who would be a better fit on a team with Amare and Melo...

He had 42% from the field last year and a 40% this year. Gallo is not a great shooter. If this was a player on some other team. We would not say he is a efficient player.

[Deeeez Knicks]

We cant sign Melo if we aquire Camby, he just signed an enormous extension in the offseason. Thats the reason why they wanna get rid of him...

If we trade for Melo then trade for Camby we can.

The key though is getting Melo first.

here's the thing. What does that cost? I'm going to guess by the end of that, you lost AR, Gallo, Chandler, Fields. Now you've got long contracts, no cap room, no picks, and a two-year window where Camby is serviceable. Do you see that team as a championship team? Because you're not adding much for awhile. I know it's been a long time since we had a contender, but I'd still rather enjoy watching this team develop this year and see what the landscape looks like this offseason.

Yeah, I am not sure. If it costs too much then I wouldn't do it.

But I think one way or another Melo is coming cheap. All we have to do is clear a little more cap space and he'll be here next year. We probably lose one out of Gallo/Chandler.

I don't think Camby will be too expensive. Last time he was just traded for cap space and a 2nd rounder. Maybe Buke (and his contract savings) and maybe something small would get it done. Camby is probably only realistic if we are able to trade for Melo this year though.

I think this is the last year for us to use our cap space. Then we'll have to resign all our players.

I really don't mind playing things out and waiting for the offseason though. That may be our best bet and most likely what we end up doing. I really trust Walsh so am sure he'll make the right decision. If we can't get these guys for cheap then might as well just wait.

We are really in a great position right now.

[MaseInYourFace]

But Gallo is efficient because he doesn't take a lot of shots. Now if he took a lot of shots and still only shot at a 40% clip that would be another argument...

Gallo's a good player don't really see the need to go into these statistical tangents. If you know the league and have seen him enough you know he is a good player. The Chandler vs. Gallo thing if you wanna take it there should come down to who would be a better fit on a team with Amare and Melo...

He had 42% from the field last year and a 40% this year. Gallo is not a great shooter. If this was a player on some other team. We would not say he is a efficient player.

Ehh it depends, I can only speak for myself. I try to look at context as much as possible and not just look at stats in a vacuum. First of all I tend not to be too harsh when evaluating a guy's first year, secondly Gallo had a weird year because for a big chunk of the year he was used as pretty much a spot-up guy and then for like less than a quarter of the season he had a much bigger role. Speaking of this season it's hard not to say he hasn't been efficient...

[seren]

I know by now it is a mute point, but these BSPN analysts (apart from Sheridan) are reaching levels of complete idiocy. I guess they do it on purpose, but nevertheless.

http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page ... daily-dime

Several idiots claim he is bluffing and there is no way he would leave 65 mil on the table. Newsflash idiots: He is not leaving 65 mil on the table. He will still sign a lucrative contract even if it comes down to summer FA outright sign. He will nowhere leave 65 mil on the table. And these idiots don't even acknowledge LBJ and other clowns ended up leaving 15 mil each on the table.

[seren]

I think we will go around .500 in those 22 games. I am not concerned at all. I would be satisfied with 26 wins by the end of this.

[K_ick_God]

I find it hard to believe the Nets had a chance even before this story. Besides NJ, they are an awful team.

We'll see what happens. I still think Bulls have a shot but NYK seems a very clear preference for Melo.

I trust Donnie to do the right thing.

I prefer Gallo, Curry, Randolph/pick. I might do Chandler instead of Gallo but would prefer to keep Wilson over Gallo -- uncertain on whether I'd even part with Wilson at this point. I would draw the line at Fields and say no on him -- dealbreaker. I used to say the same about Mozgov and still feel that way to an extent but since he's fallen out of the rotation, I guess it's easier to deal him now.

But again, I think Donnie will handle this well, even if it means walking away from Melo and filling other, probably more pressing needs. I trust him to make an economical deal and give up only what he has to give up, while preserving a well-rounded roster.

Donnie is actually the perfect GM for this situation. 100% trust.

[janquinn]

But Gallo is efficient because he doesn't take a lot of shots. Now if he took a lot of shots and still only shot at a 40% clip that would be another argument...

Gallo's a good player don't really see the need to go into these statistical tangents. If you know the league and have seen him enough you know he is a good player. The Chandler vs. Gallo thing if you wanna take it there should come down to who would be a better fit on a team with Amare and Melo...

He had 42% from the field last year and a 40% this year. Gallo is not a great shooter. If this was a player on some other team. We would not say he is a efficient player.

Ehh it depends, I can only speak for myself. I try to look at context as much as possible and not just look at stats in a vacuum. First of all I tend not to be too harsh when evaluating a guy's first year, secondly Gallo had a weird year because for a big chunk of the year he was used as pretty much a spot-up guy and then for like less than a quarter of the season he had a much bigger role. Speaking of this season it's hard not to say he hasn't been efficient...

You are a fair person. I just dont like these poster's who use stat's like TS% to prove a player is better than another. I guess a player that shoot 35% from the field and 95%ft and 39% from three is efficient and pts, rbs, blks and a high fg% mean's nothing.

[aveboogie7]

I'm coming back to this thread after we get blown out by some of the elite teams in the league.

Adding a superstar like Melo is exactly what we need.

You don't need another superstar. You just need a star that can get his own shot, consistently when teams take away Amare.

I'm on the fence on a deal for Melo. For all is offensive talent, he's not the most efficient guy and is an sometimey defender which is the last thing you need on a D'Antoni team.

The issue for me is, I'm not sure who that player for the Knicks is if it isn't Carmelo.

[MaseInYourFace]

I try not to get too bogged down in stats janquinn. Nothing to me replaces actually seeing a guy play and getting the entire picture. You can manipulate stats all sort of ways to favor your arguments...

I wish we would focus more on who would be a better fit on this Amare/Melo team instead of the head to head comparisons. They are different kinds of players and there is never going to be a consensus on who the better guy is because it depends what type of style you favor...

[Futureisnow]

I find it hard to believe the Nets had a chance even before this story. Besides NJ, they are an awful team.

Wait a minute, KG. Weren't you the guy that kept saying that you had a gut feeling that the Nets would wind up with Melo? Now you're saying you never believed they had a shot?