July 1st Free Agency Begins - Catchall thread

LJ4pointplay · Post #15901 » by **LJ4pointplay** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 5:45 pm

mpharris36 wrote:KOQ and Lou are more centers than they are PF's

and Zinger should be able to play a lot of minutes at C as well.

don't panac · Post #15902 » by **don't panac** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 5:48 pm

mpharris36 wrote:KOQ and Lou are more centers than they are PF's

i agree they can play C, and probably will, but i think they are more PFs.
and phill/mills said their first priority is a backup center, so i think they see them as 4.

LJ4pointplay wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:KOQ and Lou are more centers than they are PF's

and Zinger should be able to play a lot of minutes at C as well.

he can, but i hope he doesn't. he would need to bulk up too much which would ruin is other characteristics. it is one of the mistakes thy made in developing bargnani (although he base of kaZinga seems higher than that of bargs, and the attitude much better)

ok, so revised grouping

3: early, greek macumba
3-4: Melo, Thomas, dwillo, Chewbacca?
4-5: Kazinga, kylO, uncleLou
5: RoLo, Captn Kirk?
that should be flexible enough, but it is at least one too many

Post #15903 » by **mpharris36** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 5:49 pm

kirk is not an NBA player, no thanks.

LJ4pointplay · Post #15904 » by **LJ4pointplay** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 5:53 pm

don't panac wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:KOQ and Lou are more centers than they are PF's

i agree they can play C, and probably will, but i think they are more PFs.
and phill/mills said their first priority is a backup center, so i think they see them as 4.

LJ4pointplay wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:KOQ and Lou are more centers than they are PF's

and Zinger should be able to play a lot of minutes at C as well.

he can, but i hope he doesn't. he would need to bulk up too much which would ruin is other characteristics. it is one of the mistakes thy made in developing bargnani (although he base of kaZinga seems higher than that of bargs, and the attitude much better)

ok, so revised grouping

3: early, greek macumba
3-4: Melo, Thomas, dwillo, Chewbacca?
4-5: Kazinga, kylO, uncleLou
5: RoLo, Captn Kirk?
that should be flexible enough, but it is at least one too many

I think he can play a lot of center as is... half the team in the NBAs roll at PFs at the C spot for large stretches of games. The biggest thing you want from your center on defense is rim protection, and he provides that.

Post #15905 » by **mpharris36** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 5:59 pm

I think Melo, Williams, and Porzingis will all get minutes at the 4. So that doesn't leave a lot of minutes for KOQ at the 4. I see KOQ backing up RoLo for the most part.

You don't need a traditional backup 5 anymore because there just isn't a lot of back to the basket centers. As long as the big rebounds and protects the rim it doesn't really matter if they are 6'9 or 7 foot.

NOOB77 · Post #15906 » by **NOOB77** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:03 pm

mpharris36 wrote:I think Melo, Williams, and Porzingis will all get minutes at the 4. So that doesn't leave a lot of minutes for KOQ at the 4. I see KOQ backing up RoLo for the most part.

You don't need a traditional backup 5 anymore because there just isn't a lot of back to the basket centers. As long as the big rebounds and protects the rim it doesn't really matter if they are 6'9 or 7 foot.

Both Phil and Mills on record saying we are looking for a back-up center. To me that says they don't see O'Quinn as a back-up center they see him as a starting PF.

Calderon/Grant/Gallo
Afflalo/Gallo/Grant
Melo/Williams/Early
O'Quinn/Porz/Williams
Lopez/???/Lou

Post #15907 » by **mpharris36** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:06 pm

NYKfan77 wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:I think Melo, Williams, and Porzingis will all get minutes at the 4. So that doesn't leave a lot of minutes for KOQ at the 4. I see KOQ backing up RoLo for the most part.

You don't need a traditional backup 5 anymore because there just isn't a lot of back to the basket centers. As long as the big rebounds and protects the rim it doesn't really matter if they are 6'9 or 7 foot.

Both Phil and Mills on record saying we are looking for a back-up center. To me that says they don't see O'Quinn as a back-up center they see him as a starting PF.

i know they said that but that doesn't optimize our rotation.

Hopefully Porzingis is showing enough that he might even start for us at the 4. Early, Williams, and KOQ is a solid backup front court.

Then have Lance Thomas, Ndour, and Amundson as the 3rd string.

digitaldropoff · Post #15908 » by **digitaldropoff** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:07 pm

NYKfan77 wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:I think Melo, Williams, and Porzingis will all get minutes at the 4. So that doesn't leave a lot of minutes for KOQ at the 4. I see KOQ backing up RoLo for the most part.

You don't need a traditional backup 5 anymore because there just isn't a lot of back to the basket centers. As long as the big rebounds and protects the rim it doesn't really matter if they are 6'9 or 7 foot.

Both Phil and Mills on record saying we are looking for a back-up center. To me that says they don't see O'Quinn as a back-up center they see him as a starting PF.

Calderon/Grant/Gallo
Afflalo/Gallo/Grant
Melo/Williams/Early
O'Quinn/Porz/Williams
Lopez/???/Lou

If Melo were to ever go down, do you think that squad could score 60?

NOOB77 · Post #15909 » by **NOOB77** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:07 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
NYKfan77 wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:I think Melo, Williams, and Porzingis will all get minutes at the 4. So that doesn't leave a lot of minutes for KOQ at the 4. I see KOQ backing up RoLo for the most part.

You don't need a traditional backup 5 anymore because there just isn't a lot of back to the basket centers. As long as the big rebounds and protects the rim it doesn't really matter if they are 6'9 or 7 foot.

Both Phil and Mills on record saying we are looking for a back-up center. To me that says they don't see O'Quinn as a back-up center they see him as a starting PF.

i know they said that but that doesn't optimize our rotation.

Hopefully Porzingis is showing enough that he might even start for us at the 4. Early, Williams, and KOQ is a solid backup front court.

Then have Lance Thomas, Ndour, and Amundson as the 3rd string.

Oh I agree I am just going by what has been said to the media.

Post #15910 » by **mpharris36** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:08 pm

NYKfan77 wrote:

Calderon/Grant/Gallo
Afflalo/Gallo/Grant
Melo/Williams/Early
O'Quinn/Porz/Williams
Lopez/???/Lou

they didn't just sign Williams to play 10 minutes a night to backup Melo.

JXL · Post #15911 » by **JXL** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:16 pm

Gallo/Calderon
Afflalo/Grant/Ledo
Melo/Early/Thomas
Williams/Porzingis/Amundson
Lopez/O'Quinn/(reserved)

Post #15912 » by **mpharris36** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:16 pm

#saynotoledo

NOOB77 · Post #15913 » by **NOOB77** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:17 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
NYKfan77 wrote:

Calderon/Grant/Gallo
Afflalo/Gallo/Grant
Melo/Williams/Early
O'Quinn/Porz/Williams
Lopez/???/Lou

they didn't just sign Williams to play 10 minutes a night to backup Melo.

I agree I just don't see a need for a back-up center. But they said they are looking for one on more than one occasion now.

Post #15914 » by **mpharris36** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:18 pm

NYKfan77 wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
NYKfan77 wrote:

Calderon/Grant/Gallo
Afflalo/Gallo/Grant
Melo/Williams/Early
O'Quinn/Porz/Williams
Lopez/???/Lou

they didn't just sign Williams to play 10 minutes a night to backup Melo.

I agree I just don't see a need for a back-up center. But they said they are looking for one on more than one occasion now.

they also said that prior to N'dour breaking out. So maybe they think he is enough big man insurance. Behind RoLo, KOQ, Amundson, and Porzingis.

21 Hussle · Post #15915 » by **21 Hussle** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:20 pm

mpharris36 wrote:#saynotoledo

Yea I don't know wth people see in him.

don't panac · Post #15916 » by **don't panac** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:21 pm

JXL wrote:Gallo/Calderon
Afflalo/Grant/Ledo
Melo/Early/Thomas
Williams/Porzingis/Amundson
Lopez/O'Quinn/(reserved)

jose starts at PG, with grant as his backup.
LG2 is 3rd PG or backup SG

JXL · Post #15917 » by **JXL** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:21 pm

Orange21 wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:#saynotoledo

Yea I don't know wth people see in him.

Who else can be a versatile wing bench scorer? (DO NOT SAY J.R. SMITH)

JXL · Post #15918 » by **JXL** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:22 pm

don't panac wrote:
JXL wrote:Gallo/Calderon
Afflalo/Grant/Ledo
Melo/Early/Thomas
Williams/Porzingis/Amundson
Lopez/O'Quinn/(reserved)

jose starts at PG, with grant as his backup.
LG2 is 3rd PG or backup SG

Jose sucks as starting PG, he's more useful in the 2nd unit. Rather have Gallo start during the 1st quarter of the season, then lean to Grant for the remainder.

don't panac · Post #15919 » by **don't panac** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:23 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
NYKfan77 wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
they didn't just sign Williams to play 10 minutes a night to backup Melo.

I agree I just don't see a need for a back-up center. But they said they are looking for one on more than one occasion now.

they also said that prior to N'dour breaking out. So maybe they think he is enough big man insurance. Behind RoLo, KOQ, Amundson, and Porzingis.

this is agood point.
i would rather have Chewbacca than, say, captn Kirk or the Gargantua guy.
especially if Endor can play also the 3.
i think the casualty of this will be Macumba

don't panac · Post #15920 » by **don't panac** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:25 pm

JXL wrote:
don't panac wrote:
JXL wrote:Gallo/Calderon
Afflalo/Grant/Ledo
Melo/Early/Thomas
Williams/Porzingis/Amundson
Lopez/O'Quinn/(reserved)

jose starts at PG, with grant as his backup.
LG2 is 3rd PG or backup SG

Jose sucks as starting PG, he's more useful in the 2nd unit. Rather have Gallo start during the 1st quarter of the season, then lean to Grant for the remainder.

we'll have to see, but last year he was hurt.
if healthy he is way better than LG2, at least for now.
and i would rather develop General Grant at 1 and LG2 at 2 than the opposite