July 1st Free Agency Begins - Catchall thread

Knicksfan1992 · Post #15941 » by **Knicksfan1992** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:25 am

You're only setting yourself up for anger and disappointment if you think Calderon isn't starting on opening night if he's healthy. There's a reason he hasn't been traded yet...

Mayhem · Post #15942 » by **Mayhem** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:28 am

melomax wrote:Ledo is making this team

have people examined our SG depth?

Our money isn't dried up yet. We've got the 2.8m exception to find a decent SG.

Post #15943 » by **Thugger HBC** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:37 am

Knicksfan1992 wrote:You're only setting yourself up for anger and disappointment if you think Calderon isn't starting on opening night if he's healthy. There's a reason he hasn't been traded yet...

Calderon not being traded has nothing to do with him being the starter.

Knicksfan1992 · Post #15944 » by **Knicksfan1992** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:41 am

Thugger HBC wrote:
Knicksfan1992 wrote:You're only setting yourself up for anger and disappointment if you think Calderon isn't starting on opening night if he's healthy. There's a reason he hasn't been traded yet...

Calderon not being traded has nothing to do with him being the starter.

There would be no reason to keep him for this upcoming season on that salary if Phil didn't expect him to start. Sure it's up to Fish I guess and salaries shouldn't play a factor but, we all know Phil has Fish's ear and that Calderon is one of Jackson's guys for better or for worse. If Phil went into this season expecting Galloway or Grant to start right away I don't think he would have kept Calderon around and tried to sign a cheaper veteran point guard to back them up. Or that would at least be the logical thing to do.

FemaleDogPlease · Post #15945 » by **FemaleDogPlease** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:36 am

Jose Calderon will be 34 yrs old at the start of the season. If he is starting the Knicks are going to have problems.

camillepd · Post #15946 » by **camillepd** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 8:09 am

melomax wrote:Ledo is making this team

have people examined our SG depth?

Ledo has all the talent in the world. All he has to do is work. I think Affalo mentoring him will help him a lot this coming year. Ledo is making the team.

camillepd · Post #15947 » by **camillepd** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 8:26 am

FemaleDogPlease wrote:Jose Calderon will be 34 yrs old at the start of the season. If he is starting the Knicks are going to have problems.

I think Phil wants to keep Jose partly for ego purposes--not wiling to admit trade mistake so easily and also thinks Jose's contract could be moved in a deal by mid-season trade deadline.

Juco24 · Post #15948 » by **Juco24** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 11:08 am

FemaleDogPlease wrote:Jose Calderon will be 34 yrs old at the start of the season. If he is starting the Knicks are going to have problems.

While I agree, I betcha he in fact starts :noway:

On a side note, Ledo does not have the basketball intelligence (imo) to be successful in this league, nor does he have the necessary handles. He seems more of a street baller.

BeagleBoss · Post #15949 » by **BeagleBoss** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 12:29 pm

To be fair, Ledo hasn't gotten a lot of minutes so far. We saw his talent and ability to shoot and score last year. Plus the kid is only 22. It'd be stupid not to invite him to camp.

Post #15950 » by **mpharris36** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 12:32 pm

no thank you on ledo.

I would rather take the hard working defensive minded high ceiling kids in Thanasis and N'dour. Send that hunched over high dribble Ledo out of town please.

aq_ua · Post #15951 » by **aq_ua** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 1:35 pm

Afflalo, Grant and Galloway are all capable of playing and defendIng the two guard spot. I don't see why there is concern about depth at that position. The best Knicks teams we've had with Melo have been based around two point guard back courts. I wouldn't be surprised if we ended up having a tight three guard rotation for most of the season. I don't see how Ledo fits into that overall picture.

Post #15952 » by **moocow007** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 1:39 pm

Yep. My money is on Calderon opening the season as the starter along with Afflalo in the backcourt. Lopez obviously would start at C. And Anthony would be at one of the forward spots. The only real question would be who starts at the other forward spot. I think that may be determined during camp but early money probably would be O'Quinn. Williams, Porzingis, Galloway, Grant then probably rounds out the 9 man rotation. The sometimes used 10th man likely will be determined during camp as well.

Post #15953 » by **moocow007** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 1:51 pm

If the Knicks are still looking for someone that can come off the bench and puts some points on the board, the following free agents are probably the one's best suited for that. May not tickle most folks fancies, but it is what it is considering at most the Knicks can offer 2.8 million and that most of the good one's have already been signed:

Will Bynum
Chris Copeland
Drew Gooden
John Jenkins
Jason Richardson
Jason Terry
Marcus Thornton

Of the above group, while Jenkins would seem like a nice choice, I'd imagine the Knicks would want more of a proven vet to play that type of role. JRich would be somewhat interesting I guess. Copeland would be interesting but the Knicks already chuck full of PF types. Jason Terry looks like he's about 80 so probably not a good get, especially with the history he's had against the Knicks but he could add some toughness and veteran presence. Not a fan of Marcus Thornton at all...he's a chuckster. Will Bynum?

Backup caliber centers still available include:

Justin Hamilton
Ryan Hollins
Bernard James
Jerome Jordan
Javale McGee
Kendrick Perkins
Henry Sims
Greg Stiemsma
Jeff Withey

Justin Hamilton actually looked very good last season albeit in a small sample size. He's mobile. He has skills that would seem to fit the Triangle. He doesn't have baggage.

Ryan Hollins doesn't have much skills but he's tall, he's mobile, he can block shots and hit people.

Henry Sims we've seen before. Sims looked pretty good at times since he left NY. He has some offensive skills and he's young. Pretty mobile.

I can't see Jackson going anywhere near McGee but he's the biggest name.

PS: Not really any word from Andrew Bynum's camp about where he's at or what his intentions are.

mugzi · Post #15954 » by **mugzi** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 2:14 pm

Thornton signed w/Houston I believe....thats slim pickings, but I guess Id go with Jrich does he have anything left in the tank though?

BeagleBoss · Post #15955 » by **BeagleBoss** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 2:16 pm

moocow007 wrote:If the Knicks are still looking for someone that can come off the bench and puts some points on the board, the following free agents are probably the one's best suited for that. May not tickle most folks fancies, but it is what it is considering at most the Knicks can offer 2.8 million and that most of the good one's have already been signed:

Will Bynum
Chris Copeland
Drew Gooden
John Jenkins
Jason Richardson
Jason Terry
Marcus Thornton

Of the above group, while Jenkins would seem like a nice choice, I'd imagine the Knicks would want more of a proven vet to play that type of role. JRich would be somewhat interesting I guess. Copeland would be interesting but the Knicks already chuck full of PF types. Jason Terry looks like he's about 80 so probably not a good get, especially with the history he's had against the Knicks but he could add some toughness and veteran presence. Not a fan of Marcus Thornton at all...he's a chuckster. Will Bynum?

Backup caliber centers still available include:

Justin Hamilton
Ryan Hollins
Bernard James
Jerome Jordan
Javale McGee
Kendrick Perkins
Henry Sims
Greg Stiemsma
Jeff Withey

Justin Hamilton actually looked very good last season albeit in a small sample size. He's mobile. He has skills that would seem to fit the Triangle. He doesn't have baggage.

Ryan Hollins doesn't have much skills but he's tall, he's mobile, he can block shots and hit people.

Henry Sims we've seen before. Sims looked pretty good at times since he left NY. He has some offensive skills and he's young. Pretty mobile.

I can't see Jackson going anywhere near McGee but he's the biggest name.

PS: Not really any word from Andrew Bynum's camp about where he's at or what his intentions are.

Agree, Hamilton is the best option and the best triangle fit. He can even shoot threes. Stiemsma isn't bad either.

BKlutch · Post #15956 » by **BKlutch** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 2:18 pm

Jstarks3 wrote:i pray calderon comes off the bench. no way he can guard 95% of the PG's in this league.

I pray he doesn't come off the bench. He should stay on it.

BowlRips · Post #15957 » by **BowlRips** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 2:26 pm

You will all be eating crow on Calderon
Not saying he's great or anything but this team has no true shooter
1 thing you can't rip Calderon for his shooting. Over 40 percent from 3 in his career.
When the doubles start coming to Melo and zinger you will be happy that Calderon is on the court draining 3s

digitaldropoff · Post #15958 » by **digitaldropoff** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 2:32 pm

camillepd wrote:
FemaleDogPlease wrote:Jose Calderon will be 34 yrs old at the start of the season. If he is starting the Knicks are going to have problems.

I think Phil wants to keep Jose partly for ego purposes--not wiling to admit trade mistake so easily and also thinks Jose's contract could be moved in a deal by mid-season trade deadline.

Calderon hasn't been moved because you'd have to receive or get even worse value back. He's much older, with lots of miles on a body that's already rapidly breaking down. Someone might trade for him, but it would be an equally **** contract and player. Part of him not being moved is ego, but that's slim part.....because Calderon is not a needed entity to anyone, he's done. In regards to the Knicks having problem if he's your starter.....yeah, more than likely, but the fact that you moved back into the first to get another PG should have already told you that. The Knicks problem will not be it's starting unit, though some serious upgrades would be tremendous.....but it's really the depth of your bench and huge drop off of talent. The Knicks lack quality reserves at every position.....Oquinn is a solid backup big, but not a solid starter. Your bench is missing defense and scoring.....your premier pick needs lots of work on his body, and when Jose does break a nail, you have a rookie running the offense on a team paying a superstar superstar money.

And100 · Post #15959 » by **And100** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 2:34 pm

camillepd wrote:
FemaleDogPlease wrote:Jose Calderon will be 34 yrs old at the start of the season. If he is starting the Knicks are going to have problems.

I think Phil wants to keep Jose partly for ego purposes--not wiling to admit trade mistake so easily...

And in other completely made-up accusations...

Johnny Hoops · Post #15960 » by **Johnny Hoops** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 2:51 pm

mpharris36 wrote:no thank you on ledo.

I would rather take the hard working defensive minded high ceiling kids in Thanasis and N'dour. Send that hunched over high dribble Ledo out of town please.

I tend to normally agree with the hard working type guys but we are over-loaded with those guys right now.

I went back and looked at game 3 the other day --- specifically at Ledo.

He came into the game and immediately got into the lane and found Wear for a wide-open 3 (missed) - then next possession he got into the paint again and kicked to Early for a wide open 3 on the right wing (missed). The next possession he came down on the strong side triangle and made a bounce pass into Wear in the post - but Wear was lazy/flat-footed and his guy moved around him to steal the ball.

Later in the game Ledo hit the big 4-point play when we were down 7 with about 4 mins to play.

I'm not sure if his playing time has been minimal because he's not in the plans or if they believe he is in the plans but he has a better combination of ball handling, penetration, shooting and size then all of our guards outside of Grant.

He and Williams represent potential upside offensively --- I don't know that he is on the outs just yet. Not sure a guy like Elliot Williams is better in any respect to a Ledo at 22(?).