1/16 Orlando Postgame thread

[br7knicks]

thank you. that's what i just said

So what does Mike do when Amare barely plays and Melo isn't making shots? Hell, when nobody on the team is making shots?

He can't run the PnR. No PG. In fact, he has no playmakers of any kind to run anything really.

I already concede that our defensive rotations were terrible, and that's on coaching. But on offense, not making shots is not making shots, no matter who's name is on the back of the jersey.

ah. ok. i get what you're saying now. their offense was actually making shots, as opposed to any knick player that wasn't hitting anything. well, again, like i said, i agree with you on that. the knicks should've done a better job of hitting open shots.

but you said out talented. the knicks players were not out talented. they were just out played tonight. there's a difference.

[Clyde_Style]

I think deep down Dantoni knows it's not gonna work here but he has to think about his next job. He's gotta at least have a little success to secure that next job...

I don't care what people say about not being able to get a job in this economy. There is always Dominos.

[GONYK]

So what does Mike do when Amare barely plays and Melo isn't making shots? Hell, when nobody on the team is making shots?

He can't run the PnR. No PG. In fact, he has no playmakers of any kind to run anything really.

I already concede that our defensive rotations were terrible, and that's on coaching. But on offense, not making shots is not making shots, no matter who's name is on the back of the jersey.

but mike is coaching us like the magic....i think reddick anderson and turk our great shooters its what they do.

We have amare, melo, tyson, iman....we should be attacking the basket and using our length and athleticism. Jameer barely at 6 ft was playing Iman 6 ft 5. Why not try to take him into the low post and force doubles?


We aren't a 3 pt shooting team it is the system.

So what's an alternative system that fits when you have no PG, no playmakers, and no shooters?

[NBA Fan 1234]

orlando fan here. i think trade rumours are bothering stat and i believe he will greatly improve his play. shumpert was all over our guards today showed great potential. i question the melo trade though when he could of signed with the knicks in the offseason. why was the trade made again? gallo has really turned into a beast player this year and felton was a perfect pg for ur team.

I just think Amar'e is completely out of rhythm...no legit PG (Shump is a SG) and his jumper isn't falling (put on too much muscle over the offseason/out of rhythm).

Melo wanted his money. Plain and simple.

[ctorres]

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listen, i'm with you and not TFK. i think those 3 are good players and aren't scrubs.

but i still don't see, as i said before, how the knicks don't have players that could've stopped anderson or redick, especially after the first quarter or even first half. i'm with you that they're better than the knicks at hitting wide open shots. but, again to reiterate, i don't see how MDA couldn't have made any sort of adjustment or something to tell his players to play ANY sort of defense on those guys. after the first half, those 3 should not have gotten a single 3 pointer off. the coach did a bad job of adjusting to that

Jared Jeffries is the ONLY player we have to guard the likes of Ryan Anderson. Amar'e wasn't going to do anything for us on the defensive end against Ryan Anderson. Anderson is too fast for Harrelson to guard out on the perimeter and it would have been a dumb move to have Chandler guarding Anderson there when we need Chandler in the post.

Toney Douglas and Iman Shumpert are the only players we have to guard the likes of JJ Redick, we had both of them out there.

[MaseInYourFace]

I think deep down Dantoni knows it's not gonna work here but he has to think about his next job. He's gotta at least have a little success to secure that next job...

I don't care what people say about not being able to get a job in this economy. There is always Dominos.

lol, good one. I just think he knows it's not gonna work but doesn't leave because he still wants a good job when he gets fired or leaves...

[fireantoni]

People forget Amare's play sailed off last season once Melo came and a PG in Billups.

I feel he's done with the combo of not mixing well with Melo.

[br7knicks]

Amare will always look good if you get it to him in motion and take his brain out of the equation.

Yup...and when you have him attacking more instead of settling for jumpers.

and he needs someone that can run the PnR to do that i think. THAT is not MDA's fault. but there needs to be a lot of sitting down, talking, and discussing i think in this locker room

[mildred]

I think I figured out MD's strategy ......

Let the opposition take the low percentage 3 point shot on defense and on offense we'll take the 3 point shot because the extra point you get makes up for the lower percentage on the shot.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Amare will always look good if you get it to him in motion and take his brain out of the equation.

Yup...and when you have him attacking more instead of settling for jumpers.

and he needs someone that can run the PnR to do that i think. THAT is not MDA's fault. but there needs to be a lot of sitting down, talking, and discussing i think in this locker room

That too...and I think he's going to play A LOT better once we get Baron back. Not having a PG really wouldn't be a problem if he had a post move or two.

[br7knicks]

orlando fan here. i think trade rumours are bothering stat and i believe he will greatly improve his play. shumpert was all over our guards today showed great potential. i question the melo trade though when he could of signed with the knicks in the offseason. why was the trade made again? gallo has really turned into a beast player this year and felton was a perfect pg for ur team.

I just think Amar'e is completely out of rhythm...no legit PG (Shump is a SG) and his jumper isn't falling (put on too much muscle over the offseason/out of rhythm).

Melo wanted his money. Plain and simple.

this is how i feel about amare. that, and unfortunately it also has to do with the fact that TC brings an extra defender down in the middle, which is where amare is best at. i've been saying this a while, and someone brought it up in a thread.

i think amare would be best when he is playing the center in the line up.

[arkknight1988]

orlando fan here. i think trade rumours are bothering stat and i believe he will greatly improve his play. shumpert was all over our guards today showed great potential. i question the melo trade though when he could of signed with the knicks in the offseason. why was the trade made again? gallo has really turned into a beast player this year and felton was a perfect pg for ur team.

I just think Amar'e is completely out of rhythm...no legit PG (Shump is a SG) and his jumper isn't falling (put on too much muscle over the offseason/out of rhythm).

Melo wanted his money. Plain and simple.

and that is why melo screwed over the knicks. the knicks would of had some insane trading chips in gallo and felton to get the right pieces. now they are hoping on a baron davis return to form.

[Red Vines]

Pretty sad Fields couldn't even find a shot against Reddick.

[Iman Shumpert]

The idea behind the switching defense is to dare the opponent to get into a shooting contest. Then we'd have an advantage in transition because all their defenders wouldn't be matched up. The problem is we don't run the break anymore so now it just makes no sense. The personnel's different from what he had in Phoenix. They were built to run. We're built to walk. You gotta have smart players that can read and react and just plain think on the fly. We have slow-thinking players that need stability and a system. So we can either get the players he needs like San Antonio does with Pop or get a new coach. Cause this will never work.

[mpharris36]

So what does Mike do when Amare barely plays and Melo isn't making shots? Hell, when nobody on the team is making shots?

He can't run the PnR. No PG. In fact, he has no playmakers of any kind to run anything really.

I already concede that our defensive rotations were terrible, and that's on coaching. But on offense, not making shots is not making shots, no matter who's name is on the back of the jersey.

but mike is coaching us like the magic....i think reddick anderson and turk our great shooters its what they do.

We have amare, melo, tyson, iman....we should be attacking the basket and using our length and athleticism. Jameer barely at 6 ft was playing Iman 6 ft 5. Why not try to take him into the low post and force doubles?


We aren't a 3 pt shooting team it is the system.

So what's an alternative system that fits when you have no PG, no playmakers, and no shooters?

post up? run back screens and use our length? not settle for 3's and spacing.

Do you think if we brought in Phil Jackson or Tibs or any other good coach they would let STAT spend the offseason working on his 3 pt shot? Because Dantoni is the coach he focused on 3's instead of working on his back to the basket moves and mid range game like a PF should....thats my beef

[MaseInYourFace]

I like Fields but his production at starting SG is pathetic. You can get away with playing a SG like that if he's a lockdown defender. Fields ain't that. He's gotta hit more open shots...

[br7knicks]

listen, i'm with you and not TFK. i think those 3 are good players and aren't scrubs.

but i still don't see, as i said before, how the knicks don't have players that could've stopped anderson or redick, especially after the first quarter or even first half. i'm with you that they're better than the knicks at hitting wide open shots. but, again to reiterate, i don't see how MDA couldn't have made any sort of adjustment or something to tell his players to play ANY sort of defense on those guys. after the first half, those 3 should not have gotten a single 3 pointer off. the coach did a bad job of adjusting to that

Jared Jeffries is the ONLY player we have to guard the likes of Ryan Anderson. Amar'e wasn't going to do anything for us on the defensive end against Ryan Anderson. Anderson is too fast for Harrelson to guard out on the perimeter and it would have been a dumb move to have Chandler guarding Anderson there when we need Chandler in the post.

Toney Douglas and Iman Shumpert are the only players we have to guard the likes of JJ Redick, we had both of them out there.

i think balkman or J Jordan could've done a decent job on anderson. anderson was getting wide open shots, he wasn't shooting over anyone. just get someone to go near here to take him out of his rhythm. it's like a WR on a route: bump him on the line to through off the route.

i agree with you that putting chandler on anderson would've been stupid. i was happy with what he did on Howard.

and with TD and Shump, they should've been all over redick.

[NBA Fan 1234]

this is how i feel about amare. that, and unfortunately it also has to do with the fact that TC brings an extra defender down in the middle, which is where amare is best at. i've been saying this a while, and someone brought it up in a thread.

i think amare would be best when he is playing the center in the line up.

Amar'e is better at playing C on offense because he can use his quickness to his advantage (forcing extra defensive attention from other players on the opposing team --> more open shots for us. Defense is a completely different story.

[GONYK]

post up? run back screens and use our length? not settle for 3's and spacing.

Do you think if we brought in Phil Jackson or Tibs or any other good coach they would let STAT spend the offseason working on his 3 pt shot? Because Dantoni is the coach he focused on 3's instead of working on his back to the basket moves and mid range game like a PF should....thats my beef

We have one post up player, and he is our only consistent scorer. We have no real passers or playmakers.

You want Amare to become Hakeem at age 29? The time for a post game from his has passed. He is what he is really. Plus, Amare can shoot the mid-range J.

[br7knicks]

Pretty sad Fields couldn't even find a shot against Reddick.

i had such high hopes for fields in this game. there is no reason fields shouldn't have gotten at least 16 pts this game. also no reason he shouldn't have contrained redick to under 6 pts.