OT: Alex Jones freaks out on CNN

[yaboynyp]

You are right guys. I am going to go buy my gun since the apocalypse is coming. I mean we have so many signs that there is about to be a dictatorship in this country.

there is ....and then there is that other clue of....and then that thing that dude did....

Your post reeks of ignorance.

Yes I know I know the big bad government is taking our liberties away one by one. They one day will put chips on us and control us.

I mean the signs are all around us. I mean just yesterday instead of taking the blue line home I had to take the red line. Those bastards even make me take the train they want.

[aj49689]

You guys take eveyrthing I say and take it much much further. I said that the whole basis to create a law like SOPA was due to the problem of copyright infringement.

If you look through my posts I already said it went too far but there is nothing wrong with the basic premise of the law to keep intellectual property from being unlawfully used.

You named 4 dictators and all of a sudden this is going to happen in the US?

How come the UK doesn't have a dictatorship yet? They took away their guns, where is the dictatorship? Anyone?

Oh yeah no dictatorship why because the dictators came to power to suffering societies promising the betterment of their country. If you are starving you will listen to anyone who promises you that you will eat.

We are not 1939 germany. The fact that you guys keep trying to peg us to other dicatorships and not even look at the context in which those regimes came to power is laughable.

It wasn't just that they took their guns away it was a lot of other things that came into play for those dictatorships to come to power.

You need to do more research buddy. The president has dictator power if he enacts marshal law. He can declare marshal law if a natural disaster or war happens on American soil. With all the wars and Natural disasters happening its bound to come here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ7n8leCFjU
Here is just one warning but there are many more from credible scientific minds. NEW Madrid over due.

[J9Starks3]

Nobody is saying a dictatorship WILL come to the US...what we are saying is it is much, much less likely with an armed public than without one.

The simple question would be, which is more likely to foster a dictator and the loss of liberty? A society where the only people that have guns is the government or a society where the number of armed citizens outnumbers the military 80 to 1?

k then simple quesiton.

Put a percentage on the likelihood that in TODAY'S society a dictatorship would come to be.

Then tell me what you think that percentage would be if guns were outlawed.

Doesnt matter... our rights are not solely about TODAY's society. I have 2 children and if that increases their odds or strips their rights away then whatever .000000000001% to .00000000001% difference does not matter, I will not sell them out to make us feel better and statistically be no safer than we are today. Gun crime goes down, other crime goes up... its a wash today and a potential horrible situation in the future.

[Rasho Brezec]

You are right guys. I am going to go buy my gun since the apocalypse is coming. I mean we have so many signs that there is about to be a dictatorship in this country.

there is ....and then there is that other clue of....and then that thing that dude did....

Your post reeks of ignorance.

It reeks of sanity, clearly this is the wrong thread for it.

[E86]

You are right. I can make my point without getting into insults.

You are also right in that they are many factors that make up a incident like Newtown. But it's statistically proven that the the number of guns in a society plays a large role in the amount of gun violence.

And really I'm not someone who wants to take away all the guns. Far from it. And the best argument is the one about it's not really the cause and there are technical issues with what do you consider semi-automatic and dressing up hunting rifles and all that.

But what blows my mind is the idea that we need guns to protect us from tyranny. People like Alex Jones are paranoid lunatics. I remember watching something years back of him saying that the government is putting fluoride in the water to make us dumb. I'm not calling everyone in here a paranoid lunatic but if you come here and say Alex Jones is absolutely right and we need to be ready for armageddon because it's coming then you should not own a firearm of any variety.

One thing I believe is that there needs to be stricter gun controls Gun show loop holes need to be closed, and rifles and shot guns need to have the same kind of background checks that handguns require. I know their is a correlation between gun violence and the ability to own guns, that is undeniable. I just don't believe it's the causation. Even though they don't have guns, would you be excited to a see a group of rioting soccer fans coming toward you in England or something? You're still going to die either way.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, and I think weird alarmists like Alex Jones are a poor representation of a rational discussion. I don't believe that we are a few years away from a big fascist take over. I understand that right now everything is fine. What I can't predict is what happens in the future, and that is what bugs me about disarming people in general. The founding fathers drew their beliefs from John Locke, a guy that died nearly 100 years before the Federalist papers, and Constitution. So by the standards of some people in this discussion his beliefs were antiquated and didn't apply. Yet, they are 300 years old now and still apply.

The bottom line is that there are instances where people are fighting a great power in the past, and in the present. The right to revolt is necessary to keep the government honest and sometimes peaceful demonstration works, and other times it doesn't.

[21shumpshumpst]

You guys take eveyrthing I say and take it much much further. I said that the whole basis to create a law like SOPA was due to the problem of copyright infringement.

If you look through my posts I already said it went too far but there is nothing wrong with the basic premise of the law to keep intellectual property from being unlawfully used.

You named 4 dictators and all of a sudden this is going to happen in the US?

How come the UK doesn't have a dictatorship yet? They took away their guns, where is the dictatorship? Anyone?

Oh yeah no dictatorship why because the dictators came to power to suffering societies promising the betterment of their country. If you are starving you will listen to anyone who promises you that you will eat.

We are not 1939 germany. The fact that you guys keep trying to peg us to other dicatorships and not even look at the context in which those regimes came to power is laughable.

It wasn't just that they took their guns away it was a lot of other things that came into play for those dictatorships to come to power.

You need to do more research buddy. The president has dictator power if he enacts marshal law. He can declare marshal law if a natural disaster or war happens on American soil. With all the wars and Natural disasters happening its bound to come here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ7n8leCFjU
Here is just one warning but there are many more from credible scientific minds. NEW Madrid over due.

And how long has the president had dictator ship power?

You act like there have never been any natural disasters on America?

If anyone would have put in dictatorship powers it would have been Bush during 9/11 yet he didn't.

again you guys and your "i need my guns because SOMETHING MAY HAPPEN". That is one weak argument.

[johnnywishbone]

The claim that "an armed civilian militia stands no chance against the superior forces of the US Military so whats the point of trying" has a few thousand years of history to prove it completely false.

And even if true...would not stop me for fighting for my life and my liberty.

Just look at Syria. Sometimes a couple of AK47's and a little grit can bring a Kingdom to it's KNEES.

This is really a separate discussion but... Syria is a proxy war between Iran and Saudi Arabia. The "rebels" are not without suppliers. On top of that Syria is the last client state of the Soviet Union (now Russia) in the region so they have a benefactor in them.

The point being is that Syria is as about as different from the US as you can get.

[E86]

The US military has lost nearly all of its wars since World war 2. You think they can take on a potential 300 million armed citizens?

More like 3..You, BigE, and Androidman..

It's tough to have a discussion when the other side debates like snarky little teenage girls.

[aj49689]

You are right guys. I am going to go buy my gun since the apocalypse is coming. I mean we have so many signs that there is about to be a dictatorship in this country.

there is ....and then there is that other clue of....and then that thing that dude did....

Seriously? Ignorant is the proper word here. I bet you think we all believe in fairy tails. Why your at it, why don't you accuse us of being on medication for being crazy and having a wild mans hairstyle?

[AndroidMan]

This is what I hate about americas youth which I am pretty sure you are in your early 20s or still in college.

You act as if your life is hard. As if you can compare the atrocities or hardships that people in third world countries live to your own hardships (lol at calling them that here).

We are talking about giving guns to american citizens not iraqi, pakistani or any other middle eastern country. Their past and present are wildly different than those here.

Have you even traveled? Ever been to a third world country?

War is not suppose to be about PR but sadly for us too many times it is. I didn't agree with the Iraq war. My comments still stand.

You cannot compare Iraqs situation with ours. So stop.

I didn't initiate the Iraqi discussion. You did. I just stated your false logic of "we shouldn't have handcuffs when fighting wars". I'm likely older, much older then you. That's besides the point. If we judge post by post between us I'd assume most would presume me to be the more mature one, as I can explain my thoughts without using emoticons(sign of pubescent teen). Either way, you should think more thoroughly before you post, as you just go into circular discussions. You're pretty much a a waste of time and digital bandwith.

I would agree sir that you are indeed older than this wiseguy 21shumpstreet. He cannot express his views without trying to insult or belittle the poster he is seeking to debate. He also states that the consitution needs to be either done away with or changed because of how old it is without providing any real support of that theory. Sounds to me like he is watching quite a bit of the mainstream media and parroting some of the extremists views that they are having on air currently

Cheers, and just to mock shumpstreet, (wish he didn't have that name because i like the real Shumpert)

[21shumpshumpst]

You are right guys. I am going to go buy my gun since the apocalypse is coming. I mean we have so many signs that there is about to be a dictatorship in this country.

there is ....and then there is that other clue of....and then that thing that dude did....

Your post reeks of ignorance.

It reeks of sanity, clearly this is the wrong thread for it.

Guys this is the sign that you have been waiting for. Rasho agrees with me on something. The world as we know it will end soon. Get your guns ready boys.

[carmelo115]

Instead of bringing up facts and backing their claims, they rush to insults and petty mocking.

[21shumpshumpst]

Cheers, and just to mock shumpstreet, (wish he didn't have that name because i like the real Shumpert)

The funny thing about all this is you guys think I am a democrat spewing the media's talking point.

I am a conservative who hates Obama and that is a well known fact around these parts. But your whole argument of keeping guns is "we MIGHT NEED THEM'" is just moronic.

Hey while we are at it why should we all not lobby to get a drone for each american citizen. I mean with all these crazys we might need it. Preemptive strike right.

[AndroidMan]

I remember watching something years back of him saying that the government is putting fluoride in the water to make us dumb.

Fluoride doesn't make you dumb, but rather makes people docile and sterile. The nazi's used it for that exact purpose. There have been tests to show that their is sufficient fluoride in our drinking water. AJ is not really that far off the mark.

[E86]

The claim that "an armed civilian militia stands no chance against the superior forces of the US Military so whats the point of trying" has a few thousand years of history to prove it completely false.

And even if true...would not stop me for fighting for my life and my liberty.

Just look at Syria. Sometimes a couple of AK47's and a little grit can bring a Kingdom to it's KNEES.

This is really a separate discussion but... Syria is a proxy war between Iran and Saudi Arabia. The "rebels" are not without suppliers. On top of that Syria is the last client state of the Soviet Union (now Russia) in the region so they have a benefactor in them.

The point being is that Syria is as about as different from the US as you can get.

Of course it is, and I'm not saying it's analogous. I'm just saying that there are situations where people rebel against better equipped opposition and make a fight out of it. The American Revolution wasn't clear cut, none of them are. You have military leaders defecting to other sides, and their men going with them, etc. The idea isn't necessarily that our current government would kill us or something, but even the Roman empire collapsed and things change. However, we're in a time where globalization is a real thing, and it's possible to disarm a lot of people. While the short term results would be positive, it is impossible for anyone to conclude where we'll be 200 years from now. Maybe it all works out, maybe it doesn't. But no body has ever said not to prepare for the worst.

[johnnywishbone]

You are right. I can make my point without getting into insults.

You are also right in that they are many factors that make up a incident like Newtown. But it's statistically proven that the the number of guns in a society plays a large role in the amount of gun violence.

And really I'm not someone who wants to take away all the guns. Far from it. And the best argument is the one about it's not really the cause and there are technical issues with what do you consider semi-automatic and dressing up hunting rifles and all that.

But what blows my mind is the idea that we need guns to protect us from tyranny. People like Alex Jones are paranoid lunatics. I remember watching something years back of him saying that the government is putting fluoride in the water to make us dumb. I'm not calling everyone in here a paranoid lunatic but if you come here and say Alex Jones is absolutely right and we need to be ready for armageddon because it's coming then you should not own a firearm of any variety.

One thing I believe is that there needs to be stricter gun controls Gun show loop holes need to be closed, and rifles and shot guns need to have the same kind of background checks that handguns require. I know their is a correlation between gun violence and the ability to own guns, that is undeniable. I just don't believe it's the causation. Even though they don't have guns, would you be excited to a see a group of rioting soccer fans coming toward you in England or something? You're still going to die either way.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, and I think weird alarmists like Alex Jones are a poor representation of a rational discussion. I don't believe that we are a few years away from a big fascist take over. I understand that right now everything is fine. What I can't predict is what happens in the future, and that is what bugs me about disarming people in general. The founding fathers drew their beliefs from John Locke, a guy that died nearly 100 years before the Federalist papers, and Constitution. So by the standards of some people in this discussion his beliefs were antiquated and didn't apply. Yet, they are 300 years old now and still apply.

The bottom line is that there are instances where people are fighting a great power in the past, and in the present. The right to revolt is necessary to keep the government honest and sometimes peaceful demonstration works, and other times it doesn't.

OK. So we are in more agreement then disagreement. But the future is going to be so widely different from the present so much so that I have a very hard time believing that people a hundred years from now will look at guns as anything but a barbarian relic. I think as we become more intelligent as a "human race" our need for weapons will greatly diminish. If not then there really is no hope because it's easy to see weapons systems that will be created that will completely make guns irrelevant. We already see how powerful drones are. Imagine drones that are swarms of trillions of nano bots working in a formation powered by artificial intelligence? They use to say that if you put the dividing point between the first and second half of all accumulated human knowledge that point would be in the 1970s. That trend is only accelerating and the future really is going to be science fiction (I believe in a very good way).

[21shumpshumpst]

You are right guys. I am going to go buy my gun since the apocalypse is coming. I mean we have so many signs that there is about to be a dictatorship in this country.

there is ....and then there is that other clue of....and then that thing that dude did....

Seriously? Ignorant is the proper word here. I bet you think we all believe in fairy tails. Why your at it, why don't you accuse us of being on medication for being crazy and having a wild mans hairstyle?

I find your stance on this topic ignorant because it all boils down to something that may or may not happen and the probability of it happening is so infinitely minute that for you to use it as a leg to stand of just shows how weak your argument is.

As a matter of fact you know what you should be more worried about? A biological attack. Or a superflu. why don't you lobby to corral all the sick because hell a superflu MIGHT HAPPEN.

You know how many things in this world MIGHT HAPPEN?

Why don't you lobby the govt to spend more money on investigating how to manipulate weather since a superstomr 10 times the size of Sandy MIGHT HAPPEN.

Everything with you guys is this MIGHT HAPPEN. Anyone can make such a simple argument.

[aj49689]

You guys take eveyrthing I say and take it much much further. I said that the whole basis to create a law like SOPA was due to the problem of copyright infringement.

If you look through my posts I already said it went too far but there is nothing wrong with the basic premise of the law to keep intellectual property from being unlawfully used.

You named 4 dictators and all of a sudden this is going to happen in the US?

How come the UK doesn't have a dictatorship yet? They took away their guns, where is the dictatorship? Anyone?

Oh yeah no dictatorship why because the dictators came to power to suffering societies promising the betterment of their country. If you are starving you will listen to anyone who promises you that you will eat.

We are not 1939 germany. The fact that you guys keep trying to peg us to other dicatorships and not even look at the context in which those regimes came to power is laughable.

It wasn't just that they took their guns away it was a lot of other things that came into play for those dictatorships to come to power.

You need to do more research buddy. The president has dictator power if he enacts marshal law. He can declare marshal law if a natural disaster or war happens on American soil. With all the wars and Natural disasters happening its bound to come here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ7n8leCFjU
Here is just one warning but there are many more from credible scientific minds. NEW Madrid over due.

And how long has the president had dictator ship power?

You act like there have never been any natural disasters on America?

If anyone would have put in dictatorship powers it would have been Bush during 9/11 yet he didn't.

again you guys and your "i need my guns because SOMETHING MAY HAPPEN". That is one weak argument.

With a weak economy and the Mississippi river being at an all time low could create a larger problem with our ability to transport and make gas prices/food sore. If there is already a large food crises and only getting worse due to Climate change, then why would it be weak to argument that a major natural disaster could create marshal law? In those type of times, the stores would be cleared of all the food on the shelf within 3 days. Now you tell me, how your gonna get your food? A snare trap that may or may not work? Throwing a spear when your only good at running your mouth or will you go with the government to the FEMA camps where they basically keep you prisoner? Your arguments are weak and your logic is lacking a sense of direction.

[21shumpshumpst]

And how long has the president had dictator ship power?

You act like there have never been any natural disasters on America?

If anyone would have put in dictatorship powers it would have been Bush during 9/11 yet he didn't.

again you guys and your "i need my guns because SOMETHING MAY HAPPEN". That is one weak argument.

With a weak economy and the Mississippi river being at an all time low could create a larger problem with our ability to transport and make gas prices/food sore. If there is already a large food crises and only getting worse due to Climate change, then why would it be weak to argument that a major natural disaster could create marshal law? In those type of times, the stores would be cleared of all the food on the shelf within 3 days. Now you tell me, how your gonna get your food? A snare trap that may or may not work? Throwing a spear when your only good at running your mouth or will you go with the government to the FEMA camps where they basically keep you prisoner? Your arguments are weak and your logic is lacking a sense of direction.

So why didn't the president enact his dictatorship powers during the great depression?

[AndroidMan]

The US military has lost nearly all of its wars since World war 2. You think they can take on a potential 300 million armed citizens?

More like 3..You, BigE, and Androidman..

The thing is I can respect johnnywishbone even though I pretty much strongly disagree with his posts. His posts are well thought out and have substance, and don't use emoticons in every damn post. I hope one day you and shumpstreet as well can graduate to speak like adults and gain respect as people that possess intelligence.