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OT: Is Dirk top 12 of all time??

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Re: OT: Is Dirk top 12 of all time?? 

Post#161 » by NormanTwain » Thu Apr 17, 2014 3:20 am

Dajadeed wrote:^^ Someone clearly didn't watch the early Lakers teams. Kobe was a second banana in year 1, definitely. Year 2? Go back and watch that. Kobe's numbers were insane. That team went 15-1 and played the best basketball I have ever seen a team play. 15-1.


Lol @ early Lakers teams. Calling the '99-02 Lakers, "The Early Lakers" teams, reveals quite a bit more about your age than you think.

From year 2 on Kobe was on par with Shaq. Ask Spurs, Kings, and TWolves fans about the WC playoffs. Kobe killed on the road, Shaq killed at home. It was ridiculous.


"Early Lakers Year 2"

Better playoff numbers: Shaq
Finals MVP: Shaq

"Early Lakers Year 3"

Better playoff numbers: Shaq
Finals MVP: Shaq

Case closed.

Your first sentence should actually have been, "Someone didn't clearly watch the early Lakers teams", and you should have directed it at yourself.

It's crazy how 2 people can watch the same game, 1 an objective basketball fan, and 1 a Kobe nut-hugger, and how differently they see things.

Kobe was fortunate to play with a guy who demanded so much attention, that teams had to build entire defensive strategies to slow him down. The amount of easy opportunities that Kobe was afforded playing with Shaq, is something that Kobe should spend every day of his life thanking Shaq for.

On the contrary, he starting taking more and more shots each year, at a significantly lower percentage than the most dominant player in the game, and eventually single handedly destroyed the Shaq Laker dynasty; only to then beg for another Superstar to be traded to the Lakers because he so grossly overestimated his ability to lead a team.

Anyways, numbers people hate Kobe. They can't fathom someone shooting under 50% leading a team. They say he had Pau, yet Lebron and Shaq and Duncan went out there with the ball boy and the bus driver to win their titles.


He's not just a below 50% shooter, he's a career 45% shooter, and a volume chucker.
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Re: OT: Is Dirk top 12 of all time?? 

Post#162 » by Dajadeed » Thu Apr 17, 2014 4:44 am

NormanTwain wrote:
Dajadeed wrote:^^ Someone clearly didn't watch the early Lakers teams. Kobe was a second banana in year 1, definitely. Year 2? Go back and watch that. Kobe's numbers were insane. That team went 15-1 and played the best basketball I have ever seen a team play. 15-1.


Lol @ early Lakers teams. Calling the '99-02 Lakers, "The Early Lakers" teams, reveals quite a bit more about your age than you think.

From year 2 on Kobe was on par with Shaq. Ask Spurs, Kings, and TWolves fans about the WC playoffs. Kobe killed on the road, Shaq killed at home. It was ridiculous.


"Early Lakers Year 2"

Better playoff numbers: Shaq
Finals MVP: Shaq

"Early Lakers Year 3"

Better playoff numbers: Shaq
Finals MVP: Shaq

Case closed.

Your first sentence should actually have been, "Someone didn't clearly watch the early Lakers teams", and you should have directed it at yourself.

It's crazy how 2 people can watch the same game, 1 an objective basketball fan, and 1 a Kobe nut-hugger, and how differently they see things.

Kobe was fortunate to play with a guy who demanded so much attention, that teams had to build entire defensive strategies to slow him down. The amount of easy opportunities that Kobe was afforded playing with Shaq, is something that Kobe should spend every day of his life thanking Shaq for.

On the contrary, he starting taking more and more shots each year, at a significantly lower percentage than the most dominant player in the game, and eventually single handedly destroyed the Shaq Laker dynasty; only to then beg for another Superstar to be traded to the Lakers because he so grossly overestimated his ability to lead a team.

Anyways, numbers people hate Kobe. They can't fathom someone shooting under 50% leading a team. They say he had Pau, yet Lebron and Shaq and Duncan went out there with the ball boy and the bus driver to win their titles.


He's not just a below 50% shooter, he's a career 45% shooter, and a volume chucker.


Really? He grossly overrated his ability to lead Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, and Brian Cook to a title? His second best player was Lamar Odom, who never even played in an all-star game.

Kobe's "stacked" Lakers teams were him and Pau, with Lamar, a sometimes there Bynum, and Fisher. That's it.

Lebron plays with Wade and Bosh. Shaq with Kobe and Wade. Magic with a team of hall of famers. MJ with Pippen and Rodman or Grant. Larry Bird with a team of HOFs... but noooo, Kobe had the unfair advantage of having Pau Gasol and the legendary when talking about Kobe only Odom and Bynum (only sometime!) :lol:

He's a volume chucker with 5 rings. :D
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Re: OT: Is Dirk top 12 of all time?? 

Post#163 » by NoStatsGuy » Thu Apr 17, 2014 9:18 am

NormanTwain wrote:
"Early Lakers Year 2"

Better playoff numbers: Shaq
Finals MVP: Shaq

"Early Lakers Year 3"

Better playoff numbers: Shaq
Finals MVP: Shaq

Case closed.




the kobe-hate is real :D

go watch some games bro. stop studying basektball-reference
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Re: OT: Is Dirk top 12 of all time?? 

Post#164 » by spree2kawhi » Thu Apr 17, 2014 11:13 am

RottenApple wrote:
NormanTwain wrote:
"Early Lakers Year 2"

Better playoff numbers: Shaq
Finals MVP: Shaq

"Early Lakers Year 3"

Better playoff numbers: Shaq
Finals MVP: Shaq

Case closed.




the kobe-hate is real :D

go watch some games bro. stop studying basektball-reference


this. the hate has become absurd. there's so much more to basketball than stats and to me there's nothing wrong with saying that Kobe Bryant's legacy should comfortably sit among the top 6-7 of all-time and LeBron being on his way to #1 or #2. If you average one championship every third year over a 15 year span, you sure do certain things right even if you don't have the greatest PER of all time and if you do all that on a 26ppg career playoff average you're likely one of the very best players to ever play the game. I'll quote NormanTwain on that
case closed


I'll give the Kobe haters this though: LeBron is such a good player at the moment that you're able to make a very strong case for his legacy being close to or even on par with Kobe's even though LeBron continually choked throughout his already 10 year career until he teamed up with two other All-Stars.
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Re: OT: Is Dirk top 12 of all time?? 

Post#165 » by Guano » Thu Apr 17, 2014 1:40 pm

This thread sucks.
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Re: OT: Is Dirk top 12 of all time?? 

Post#166 » by dakomish23 » Fri Apr 18, 2014 12:20 pm

The teams that have made the NBA finals out of the West since Duncan was drafted:

SAS - 7x
LAL - 6x
DAL - 2x
OKC - 1x
UTA - 1x

Malone Stockton Kobe Shaq Gasol Durant Westbrook Duncan Robinson Parker Manu

Dirk being in that mix is legendary
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Re: OT: Is Dirk top 12 of all time?? 

Post#167 » by jdennis187 » Fri Apr 18, 2014 4:00 pm

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Re: OT: Is Dirk top 12 of all time?? 

Post#168 » by Sark » Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:58 pm

dakomish23 wrote:The teams that have made the NBA finals out of the West since Duncan was drafted:

SAS - 7x
LAL - 6x
DAL - 2x
OKC - 1x
UTA - 1x

Malone Stockton Kobe Shaq Gasol Durant Westbrook Duncan Robinson Parker Manu

Dirk being in that mix is legendary



That doesn't make him top 12.
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Re: OT: Is Dirk top 12 of all time?? 

Post#169 » by dakomish23 » Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:41 pm

Sark wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:The teams that have made the NBA finals out of the West since Duncan was drafted:

SAS - 7x
LAL - 6x
DAL - 2x
OKC - 1x
UTA - 1x

Malone Stockton Kobe Shaq Gasol Durant Westbrook Duncan Robinson Parker Manu

Dirk being in that mix is legendary



That doesn't make him top 12.


That plus a ring plus his pts total plus his place as the greatest European talent of all time puts him in the conversation. I'm not saying he's top 12. I think he's top 25 without a question. Where he is I have no stake. I think he's better than KG though
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