MeloDrama Part VI

dreamer3kx · Post #161 » by **dreamer3kx** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:04 pm

god shammgod wrote:
dreamer3kx wrote:Is Bosh looking for max because he sure isnt worth it.

he doesn't have to look, he's being offered it

Wow, he is no way a max player, thats ridiculous.

BallSacBounce · Post #162 » by **BallSacBounce** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:05 pm

giantsx6 wrote:These past few days...

I feel like I'm winning.

ag3 · Post #163 » by **ag3** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:07 pm

What's Stephen A saying? His radio show started at 1pm and can't listen at work.

BallSacBounce · Post #164 » by **BallSacBounce** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:08 pm

knicks94 wrote:Why do the Knicks always have to give teams their most valuable assets to get rid of players with one year left on their contract? Am surprised they are not offering Bargnani, THJR and a future first round pick to someone in order to get rid of Bargnani's contract.

I wish we could just offer Bargnani to give up Amare that would be wonderful.

Tron Carter · Post #165 » by **Tron Carter** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:09 pm

Im Coming Home wrote:For what its worth..

[tweet]https://twitter.com/KnicksMemes/status/486191996524974081[/tweet]

where da melo haturz at?!?!

KnicksManiac · Post #166 » by **KnicksManiac** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:09 pm

Im Coming Home wrote:For what its worth..

[tweet]https://twitter.com/KnicksMemes/status/486191996524974081[/tweet]

Post #167 » by **Brooklyn_Yards** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:11 pm

Im Coming Home wrote:For what its worth..

[tweet]https://twitter.com/KnicksMemes/status/486191996524974081[/tweet]

Loyalty.

Rasho Brezec · Post #168 » by **Rasho Brezec** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:11 pm

So every FA is waiting on someone else to make the first move?

Post #169 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:11 pm

ag3 wrote:What's Stephen A saying? His radio show started at 1pm and can't listen at work.

-If Bosh goes to Houston, Melo goes to Miami
-Doesn't think Melo will go to LA, but gives them an outside shot because of Lala
-Bosh is family in Miami and they don't want to hurt his feelings.

Somehow all of free agency depends on Chris Bosh

bishnykfan · Post #170 » by **bishnykfan** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:12 pm

suicidedeuce wrote:
Johnny Hoops wrote:
suicidedeuce wrote:
I'm not sure there is a precedent.

But remember, we're entering somewhat uncharted territory in the NBA, the 4th year of the curretn CBA, in which 5 year contracts are the max and 4 years contracts are commonplace AND this is the first year the cap has moved upwards in about 8 years.

You're going to see more and more teams have significant cap room in the next few years, because the cap is goign to go up and contracts are going to expire more often.

OK - but I think a preference for a team like Philly - would be to take on 1-year of salary (ex Stat) if it can also secure an additional young asset (Shump or THJ) -- rather than just pay out their existing players.

That's conjecture.

But the astute fans who really want to put this sort of scenario should do the math and see if such a transaction puts the Sixers AT/near or OVER the floor. Because those are two VERY different scenarios.

Every dime OVER the floor is a dime coming out of the Sixers pockets that they don't have to pay. That remains in their coffers as they try to rebuild.

Is there a Stat scenario that places the Sixers on the floor rather than millions OVER it?

As I say, the smart fan thinking this is a realistic scenario would be doing that math right now.

Not that I expect it to happen, but Philly, with Amare and Shump, and without signing any of their draft picks yet would be at $52,002,216.

I assume they have to get to within 90% of the cap minimum? Which would be $50,623,200.

suicidedeuce · Post #171 » by **suicidedeuce** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:12 pm

aq_ua wrote:The entire premise of my argument is that there is no high degree of certainty around any method of rebuild,

And I agree.

so I all I can do is react to what I can tangibly see today - my preference and nothing more. I'm not here to convince you either, just to point out the inconsistencies in your arguments since you seem to be so dismissive of the alternative.

You're no less dismissive of the free agency route than i am the draft route.

And I don't have a "preference" so one of us is dealing from a more personal, subjective deck than the other.

My only point is that in ONE method, the goal of any team's ultimate pursuit - star players - is already in hand.

In one method, the TV ratings are higher, the merchandise sales are stronger, the Knicks play more National TV dates, there are home postseason dates and MSG pre and post game shows for all dates, and more cap room is coming to supplement the method of acquiring players AND the Knicks don't have to give up their 2015 and 2017 and beyond first rounders, and whatever second round picks they have AND there are still a few young players on the roster.

They can still find diamond's in the rough and play Early and Larkin and Hardaway, etc. Its not like the Anthony/free agent routes eliminates these methods.

As I say, I can roll either way. I'm just not making the mistake of putting a personal preference over evaluating the situation and I may be wrong, but it seems to me like the Knicks are pursuing the Anthony/free agent route.

dreamer3kx · Post #172 » by **dreamer3kx** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:13 pm

Why are these players hanging on each others balls, play where you want to play, jeez.

NYKat · Post #173 » by **NYKat** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:14 pm

ag3 wrote:What's Stephen A saying? His radio show started at 1pm and can't listen at work.

If Bosh goes to houston, Miami has the inside track on Melo, and NY has a problem

LA is not a major threat to NY

KnicksManiac · Post #174 » by **KnicksManiac** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:14 pm

dreamer3kx wrote:Why are these players hanging on each others balls, play where you want to play, jeez.

Welcome to the NBA since 2010. You're late to the party.

kane · Post #175 » by **kane** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:14 pm

SAS keeps pushing this idea that if bosh goes to the rockets the heat would focus on melo.... idk but that would be a worse team then last year, bosh could at least play center you bring in melo and you think thats a good fit? melo/lebron/wade.... both melo and lebron at the max?! unless wade is going to play for the min they have zero space to find any help

VirginiaKnickFan · Post #176 » by **VirginiaKnickFan** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:15 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:
ag3 wrote:What's Stephen A saying? His radio show started at 1pm and can't listen at work.

-If Bosh goes to Houston, Melo goes to Miami
-Doesn't think Melo will go to LA, but gives them an outside shot because of Lala
-Bosh is family in Miami and they don't want to hurt his feelings.

Somehow all of free agency depends on Chris Bosh

Bosh the critical domino in free agency, who'd have thunk it.

liknicks7 · Post #177 » by **liknicks7** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:15 pm

Whoa!!! SAS just straight up said the Sixers ARE willing to take Amare if we throw in Shump and filler.

jonny31623 · Post #178 » by **jonny31623** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:15 pm

NYKat wrote:
ag3 wrote:What's Stephen A saying? His radio show started at 1pm and can't listen at work.

If Bosh goes to houston, Miami has the inside track on Melo, and NY has a problem

LA is not a major threat to NY

he also mentioned the amare to philly thing.

he said we could possibly get back thad young but we have to give up shump shump.

dreamer3kx · Post #179 » by **dreamer3kx** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:15 pm

KnicksManiac wrote:
dreamer3kx wrote:Why are these players hanging on each others balls, play where you want to play, jeez.

Welcome to the NBA since 2010. You're late to the party.

Yea I understand, its terrible, I hate this, looks petty.

VirginiaKnickFan · Post #180 » by **VirginiaKnickFan** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:16 pm

liknicks7 wrote:Whoa!!! SAS just straight up said the Sixers ARE willing to take Amare if we throw in Shump and filler.

Really?