With the 4th pick in the NBA draft, the New York Knicks select...

[captvict]

As i mentioned in another post...This Mudiay hype is going wild...this is another Tyreke Evans story of a ...Big strong point guard who can really penetrate and will be special once he learns how to shoot the ball.....Well Evans is still bouncing around on teams figuring out "how to shoot the ball"....Shooters are gifted (see Stephen Curry)...if everyone could "learn how to shoot the ball" then there would be no need for a draft lottery...

Justise Winslow.....nuff said

[GardenFaith]

I really dont want to use our pick on any of the Euro guys, there talented but if they decide not to come to the nba this year or next year i dont want another Freddie Weis happening.

I am hoping that Russell is still there at the 4th pick for us but no way Philly lets him slide so i think BPA will be Mudiay which i am ok with.

[newyorker4ever]

WCS

WCS has quite a few guys over him. Stanley, Justise, and Porzingis are better prospects. WCS has no offensive IQ at all and he hasn't improved much outside of his shooting and strength in 3 years.

Phil is going to take BPA that fills a need.

Knicks need a PG and Center badly.

And a power forward and a shooting guard and a backup center and a backup power forward and..........................

[carl_english]

Don't like the board for the Knicks @ 4th. Trade it for much needed help and win nao with MarshMelo

[Sprewell4Three]

Don't like the board for the Knicks @ 4th. Trade it for much needed help and win nao with MarshMelo

no, there should be instant bans for people wanting to trade the pick. I really cant stand this opinion but as we know, opinions are like butt holes everyone has one.

[newyorker4ever]

Don't like the board for the Knicks @ 4th. Trade it for much needed help and win nao with MarshMelo

no, there should be instant bans for people wanting to trade the pick. I really cant stand this opinion but as we know, opinions are like butt holes everyone has one.

Well you may not like to hear it, but you better put it in the back or your mind cause it's a big possibility of happening. Phil is still a wild card for Knicks fans and just how he wants to build this team since he's never been in this position and has never built at team before so everything is possible at this point.

[Sprewell4Three]

Don't like the board for the Knicks @ 4th. Trade it for much needed help and win nao with MarshMelo

no, there should be instant bans for people wanting to trade the pick. I really cant stand this opinion but as we know, opinions are like butt holes everyone has one.

Well you may not like to hear it, but you better put it in the back or your mind cause it's a big possibility of happening. Phil is still a wild card for Knicks fans and just how he wants to build this team since he's never been in this position and has never built at team before so everything is possible at this point.

Which is based on no substantial evidence. This is something that fans always talk about and never happens. Oh lets trade the pick for this "___(insert current all-star)".
Phil already made it clear he's not trading high draft picks and or first rounders for a quick fix. And a quick fix is what the majority of Knicks fans want.

[Governor Dudley]

4th pick
Calderon
Timmy

for

11th pick(Kaminsky)
George Hill
Ian Mahinmi
2016 first

Hill
Galloway
Melo
Kaminsky
Mahinmi




CHAMPIONSHIP

[shtolky]

Don't like the board for the Knicks @ 4th. Trade it for much needed help and win nao with MarshMelo

no, there should be instant bans for people wanting to trade the pick. I really cant stand this opinion but as we know, opinions are like butt holes everyone has one.

Well you may not like to hear it, but you better put it in the back or your mind cause it's a big possibility of happening. Phil is still a wild card for Knicks fans and just how he wants to build this team since he's never been in this position and has never built at team before so everything is possible at this point.

Big possibility? I'm curious why you are so sure of that. I respect your opinion and everyone else's, but what evidence is there of that being a big possibility. If you want to go by what Phil has said, he mentioned POSSIBLY looking into trading the pick if it was number 5. He has never said anything to the contrary. Why is Phil a wild card? Why isn't it a big possibility he will do the sound, smart move and take the BPA which looks like it will be one of Mudiay/Russell, most likely Mudiay.

[Jeff Van Gully]

With the 4th pick in the NBA draft, the New York Knicks select...

Kristaps Porzingis - PF - Latvia

Crowd boo's like crazy...only to find out we made the selection on behalf of the Orlando Magic, shedding Calderon's contract for Ben Gordon's unguaranteed contract (will end up releasing him), and we take Mudiay at 5.

which we cheer... and threaten to burn down the garden after kris becomes an all-star in orlando.

no winning here

[newyorker4ever]

no, there should be instant bans for people wanting to trade the pick. I really cant stand this opinion but as we know, opinions are like butt holes everyone has one.

Well you may not like to hear it, but you better put it in the back or your mind cause it's a big possibility of happening. Phil is still a wild card for Knicks fans and just how he wants to build this team since he's never been in this position and has never built at team before so everything is possible at this point.

Which is based on no substantial evidence. This is something that fans always talk about and never happens. Oh lets trade the pick for this "___(insert current all-star)".
Phil already made it clear he's not trading high draft picks and or first rounders for a quick fix. And a quick fix is what the majority of Knicks fans want.

Wow, you really think he's not gonna listen to every single offer he gets for that pick and if he gets a great offer he won't take it?? OK.

[newyorker4ever]

no, there should be instant bans for people wanting to trade the pick. I really cant stand this opinion but as we know, opinions are like butt holes everyone has one.

Well you may not like to hear it, but you better put it in the back or your mind cause it's a big possibility of happening. Phil is still a wild card for Knicks fans and just how he wants to build this team since he's never been in this position and has never built at team before so everything is possible at this point.

Big possibility? I'm curious why you are so sure of that. I respect your opinion and everyone else's, but what evidence is there of that being a big possibility. If you want to go by what Phil has said, he mentioned POSSIBLY looking into trading the pick if it was number 5. He has never said anything to the contrary. Why is Phil a wild card? Why isn't it a big possibility he will do the sound, smart move and take the BPA which looks like it will be one of Mudiay/Russell, most likely Mudiay.

What are you talking about?? When did i say it isn't a possibility that he'll go BPA?? Ummmmm never is the answer to that. I said it's a big POSSIBILITY and it is a possibility. It was also said by someone that they will look to trade the pick if it's not a top 2 pick so did you just kind of gloss over that one?? Phil is a wild card because he's never built a team before and has never been in the position he's in now which makes him a wild card as to what he will do. I think that answers everything for you.

[DickGrayson]

Funny how guys ride Nerlens Noel to the ceiling but won't touch WCS with a 10FT pole.

[ctorres]

A better question might be who the BPA is other than Towns, Okafor, Russell, and Mudiay.

WCS

WCS has quite a few guys over him. Stanley, Justise, and Porzingis are better prospects. WCS has no offensive IQ at all and he hasn't improved much outside of his shooting and strength in 3 years.

Because I'm unfamiliar with WCS, would either of you (or anyone in here) mind doing a compare/contrast between WCS and Joakim Noah?

If Joakim Noah is a realistic comparison for WCS, then I honestly would not be disappointed with WCS as our pick.

If WCS is a much lesser player than Noah, then I would be disappointed. I've read people here comparing WCS to Tyson Chandler, but Tyson doesn't shoot.

Tyson scores on pick and rolls or opportunities close to the basket. Tyson however has no back to the basket/post game nor a 12-15 foot jumper.

I don't think a center with a back to the basket/post game is absolutely necessary when you have Melo. Michael Jordan had an aging Bill Cartwright and Luc Longley as his starting centers. Even Kobe had a surprisingly competitive team with Kwame Brown as one of his main go-to big men.

However, I think a center who can shoot a 12-15 jumper is absolutely crucial. Don't get me wrong, I loved Tyson. Really what I'm seeing is that I would take a center with the same offensive game as Tyson PLUS a 12-15 foot jumper.

Joakim Noah isn't the P&R beast that Tyson is, but Noah does have a 12-15 foot jumper as well as overlooked passing ability. Roy Hibbert is another center who comes to mind due to his 12-15 foot jumper, but Hibbert is only a 24-28 mpg player.

I don't have many questions about WCS' defensive ability, since it seems there is very little concern on that regard. It is his offensive game that people seem to be up in arms about.

Another way to phrase what I'm trying to get someone to answer: Is WCS on the same tier of centers as Joakim Noah, Tyson Chandler, and Roy Hibbert?

[Kenyon009]

WCS should be up for consideration. He could anchor the defense right away in the NBA and probably be half decent at it too, he helped Kentucky get a historically great defense. The biggest thing for me is that he improved his FT% a ton showing that he has the potential to be a knock down mid range shooter if he continues to trend that way. He would be a much more safer pick than Mudiay, who is relatively unknown and fits the criteria of a Tyreke Evans as another poster pointed out.

[captvict]

Excellent points and what everyone is overlooking is who other free agents say Marc Gasol or Aldridge would like to play alongside. If I was one of them I would want WCS next to me to take some of the defensive burdens off my shoulders Phil might have to think who they want and not what he wants

[E-Balla]

WCS

WCS has quite a few guys over him. Stanley, Justise, and Porzingis are better prospects. WCS has no offensive IQ at all and he hasn't improved much outside of his shooting and strength in 3 years.

Because I'm unfamiliar with WCS, would either of you (or anyone in here) mind doing a compare/contrast between WCS and Joakim Noah?

If Joakim Noah is a realistic comparison for WCS, then I honestly would not be disappointed with WCS as our pick.

If WCS is a much lesser player than Noah, then I would be disappointed. I've read people here comparing WCS to Tyson Chandler, but Tyson doesn't shoot.

Tyson scores on pick and rolls or opportunities close to the basket. Tyson however has no back to the basket/post game nor a 12-15 foot jumper.

I don't think a center with a back to the basket/post game is absolutely necessary when you have Melo. Michael Jordan had an aging Bill Cartwright and Luc Longley as his starting centers. Even Kobe had a surprisingly competitive team with Kwame Brown as one of his main go-to big men.

However, I think a center who can shoot a 12-15 jumper is absolutely crucial. Don't get me wrong, I loved Tyson. Really what I'm seeing is that I would take a center with the same offensive game as Tyson PLUS a 12-15 foot jumper.

Joakim Noah isn't the P&R beast that Tyson is, but Noah does have a 12-15 foot jumper as well as overlooked passing ability. Roy Hibbert is another center who comes to mind due to his 12-15 foot jumper, but Hibbert is only a 24-28 mpg player.

I don't have many questions about WCS' defensive ability, since it seems there is very little concern on that regard. It is his offensive game that people seem to be up in arms about.

Another way to phrase what I'm trying to get someone to answer: Is WCS on the same tier of centers as Joakim Noah, Tyson Chandler, and Roy Hibbert?

WCS doesn't stack up against Noah at all offensively and he doesn't even compare favoribly to Tyson (who for all of his issues is one of the GOAT finishers and who has a high IQ). WCS is worse offensively than all of those guys. WCS also hasn't improved offensively at all in the last 3 years outside of becoming a 60% free throw shooter instead of the 37% he was as a freshman. He's a more athletic Brendan Haywood offensively.

Funny how guys ride Nerlens Noel to the ceiling but won't touch WCS with a 10FT pole.

If you can't see the difference in these two as prospects you don't have an eye for scouting. Nerlens Noel as a freshman was better than WCS right now and if WCS is ever as good as Nerlens in his rookie season defensively no one would ever call him a bust. Nerlens Noel is a once in a generation type talent on that end.

[DickGrayson]

If you can't see the difference in these two as prospects you don't have an eye for scouting. Nerlens Noel as a freshman was better than WCS right now and if WCS is ever as good as Nerlens in his rookie season defensively no one would ever call him a bust. Nerlens Noel is a once in a generation type talent on that end.

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The thing is, both are in the same tier. Noel has no offensive game what so ever. Noel has slight edges in other departments, but not enough to move him to the next tier. WCS is much more athletic and natural. Considering Noel's glass legs, let's just be happy he's healthy and playing games. Noel is a 6"10 C with a 215-220lb frame body, WCS walks around 240lbs and is faster on his feet than Noel, may end up being the better NBA defender in terms of man to man defense, will have advantage of rebounding because of length and athleticism. WCS is long, faster and more physically impossible than Noel. Your eye isn't for scouting, it can't be used with infatuation you have on Noel. You think Noel is the best big man prospect since Dwight Howard.

[E-Balla]

If you can't see the difference in these two as prospects you don't have an eye for scouting. Nerlens Noel as a freshman was better than WCS right now and if WCS is ever as good as Nerlens in his rookie season defensively no one would ever call him a bust. Nerlens Noel is a once in a generation type talent on that end.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIV6FRoh1kw[/youtube]


The thing is, both are in the same tier. Noel has no offensive game what so ever. Noel has slight edges in other departments, but not enough to move him to the next tier. WCS is much more athletic and natural. Considering Noel's glass legs, let's just be happy he's healthy and playing games. Noel is a 6"10 C with a 215-220lb frame body, WCS walks around 240lbs and is faster on his feet than Noel, may end up being the better NBA defender in terms of man to man defense, will have advantage of rebounding because of length and athleticism. WCS is long, faster and more physically impossible than Noel. Your eye isn't for scouting, it can't be used with infatuation you have on Noel. You think Noel is the best big man prospect since Dwight Howard.

Think is no they aren't. Nerlens Noel and WCS were the same age on the same team at one point and Noel was so much better than WCS that when he went down and WCS took his place the team went 4-5 against the weak ass SEC and they barely beat Vanderbilt, Florida, and Mizzou (Mizzou went to OT and iirc only beat Vanderbilt and Florida by 5 combined). All their losses were blowouts.

Nerlens' 27 PER as a freshman is higher than WCS's career high 23 and he played more MPG than WCS ever has.

Your whole argument is terrible. Remind me who's had a defensive season as good as Noel as a rookie in the last decade? Nobody? Ok.

[DickGrayson]

If you can't see the difference in these two as prospects you don't have an eye for scouting. Nerlens Noel as a freshman was better than WCS right now and if WCS is ever as good as Nerlens in his rookie season defensively no one would ever call him a bust. Nerlens Noel is a once in a generation type talent on that end.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIV6FRoh1kw[/youtube]


The thing is, both are in the same tier. Noel has no offensive game what so ever. Noel has slight edges in other departments, but not enough to move him to the next tier. WCS is much more athletic and natural. Considering Noel's glass legs, let's just be happy he's healthy and playing games. Noel is a 6"10 C with a 215-220lb frame body, WCS walks around 240lbs and is faster on his feet than Noel, may end up being the better NBA defender in terms of man to man defense, will have advantage of rebounding because of length and athleticism. WCS is long, faster and more physically impossible than Noel. Your eye isn't for scouting, it can't be used with infatuation you have on Noel. You think Noel is the best big man prospect since Dwight Howard.

Think is no they aren't. Nerlens Noel and WCS were the same age on the same team at one point and Noel was so much better than WCS that when he went down and WCS took his place the team went 4-5 against the weak ass SEC and they barely beat Vanderbilt, Florida, and Mizzou (Mizzou went to OT and iirc only beat Vanderbilt and Florida by 5 combined). All their losses were blowouts.

Nerlens' 27 PER as a freshman is higher than WCS's career high 23 and he played more MPG than WCS ever has.

Your whole argument is terrible. Remind me who's had a defensive season as good as Noel as a rookie in the last decade? Nobody? Ok.

Think is ? anyway.

WCS and Noel are in the same tier as prospects.

We never spoke about them at the same age, don't get desperate now. This is Junior year WCS vs Freshman year Noel.
WCS won defensive player of the year and had one of the best defensive seasons in NCAA history. Much better man to man defender than Noel. Although Noel stats are solid in the rebounding department(9.5 per 40) he has a lot of issues passing the eye test. Same goes with WCS, both guys get pushed around on the boards and aren't the best defensive rebounders. As everyone knows he is basically a string bean where as WCS is 7"0 245lbs, body is better for the NBA where 76ers pray daily hoping Noel doesn't get injured. This could be a big problem if he can't add any sort of bulk, not so much in his upper body but in his lower body for stability. The other thing is he has a real tough time right now knowing when to get inside position and box out players especially on the offensive glass. Right now a lot of his rebounds come from athleticism. If he can correct one of those two issues, he will likely break through and reach his full potential.

Both great defenders, Noel flaws are similar to WCS....WCS may just end up getting picked 6th just like Noel was picked.
Noel would of been picked the same range of WCS, he's not a better prospect coming into the draft than Okafor, Towns, Mudiay Russell or Winslow...just based on his health concerns. He went from #1 to being picked 6th. Same tier as WCS.