Can we wait until end of next season to acquire a legit PG?

[King of Canada]

Rhodey, honest truth, if we had Shved right now we would be at least 5 games over 500 imo. He just clicked in the triangle.
It is frustrating because we aren't go anywhere with Calderon at PG. Yeah, I know he is a nice guy and great for the locker room, but I'd rather be starting Shved with Grant off the bench when he is ready.

Yeah. Shved would be able to do one thing that Knicks guards have been unable to do, attack the basket. Shved showed that last season on a worse team where basically he was the no.1 option a lot of the time (Anthony was already on the DL). If he was able to do that being the focus, one would logically assume he can do that at least as well with better players on the team. Just because Shved isn't in the NBA doesn't mean that he's not better option for this team than at least some players currently on this team. Same could be said about Lin. Folks were LOL'ing when other folks mentioned Lin as an option (he sucks, he's crap, blah, blah, blah) and yet we saw what he can do just the other night and how he'd be the best guard on this team right now.

What is Schved's contract situation right now -- is there an out?

Even if he had an out -- it would seem given the deal he signed we would be too capped out (or completely capped out) where we can't sign him.

I think he's the highest paid player outside of the NBA isn't he? Don't think he's going anywhere.

[moocow007]

Yeah. Shved would be able to do one thing that Knicks guards have been unable to do, attack the basket. Shved showed that last season on a worse team where basically he was the no.1 option a lot of the time (Anthony was already on the DL). If he was able to do that being the focus, one would logically assume he can do that at least as well with better players on the team. Just because Shved isn't in the NBA doesn't mean that he's not better option for this team than at least some players currently on this team. Same could be said about Lin. Folks were LOL'ing when other folks mentioned Lin as an option (he sucks, he's crap, blah, blah, blah) and yet we saw what he can do just the other night and how he'd be the best guard on this team right now.

What is Schved's contract situation right now -- is there an out?

Even if he had an out -- it would seem given the deal he signed we would be too capped out (or completely capped out) where we can't sign him.

I think he's the highest paid player outside of the NBA isn't he? Don't think he's going anywhere.

The contract was 3 years for a total of $10.2 million (basically an average of $3.4 million per) with Russian team BC Khimki. He was asking the Knicks for a little less than that I believe (something like $2.8 million if I recall...or basically what the Knicks gave Kevin Seraphin). Now of course the Knicks only gave Seraphin a 1 year deal so it could be that Jackson was willing to go 1 year not mult-year, but the per year amounts were basically the same so it wasn't like he was looking for a fortune. Jeremy Lin only got $2.2 million per for just 2 years. For whatever reason it just didn't seem like the Knicks were interested in either guy even though what both guys do best is exactly what the Knicks needed the most offensively from their guards.

For anyone that don't recall Shved, here's Shved's 21 point performance against the Spurs last season. I believe in this game alone Shved drove to the basket more than Calderon has all season. Again, no one is expecting him to repeat this performance but he clearly has the type of skills the Knicks are lacking and has already proven he can produce in Fisher's Triangle system. But boy thank goodness we got that big useless chunk of Beef Bourguignon in Seraphin.

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[Newyorknick94]

It's time to call for our savior once again.
Baron Davids where you at?

He's can't jump any more, but he can always get the aliens to levitate him...

Lol Calderon can't jump either

[dakomish23]

Curry will probably be locked up in a verbal agreement with GSW before he even hits FA. Just like Draymond did this past offseason.

Not sure but they may be able to do redo / extend with Curry like DEN did with Gallo and WC

[Fat Kat]

What is Schved's contract situation right now -- is there an out?

Even if he had an out -- it would seem given the deal he signed we would be too capped out (or completely capped out) where we can't sign him.

I think he's the highest paid player outside of the NBA isn't he? Don't think he's going anywhere.

The contract was 3 years for a total of $10.2 million (basically an average of $3.4 million per) with Russian team BC Khimki. He was asking the Knicks for a little less than that I believe (something like $2.8 million if I recall...or basically what the Knicks gave Kevin Seraphin). Now of course the Knicks only gave Seraphin a 1 year deal so it could be that Jackson was willing to go 1 year not mult-year, but the per year amounts were basically the same so it wasn't like he was looking for a fortune. Jeremy Lin only got $2.2 million per for just 2 years. For whatever reason it just didn't seem like the Knicks were interested in either guy even though what both guys do best is exactly what the Knicks needed the most offensively from their guards.

For anyone that don't recall Shved, here's Shved's 21 point performance against the Spurs last season. I believe in this game alone Shved drove to the basket more than Calderon has all season. Again, no one is expecting him to repeat this performance but he clearly has the type of skills the Knicks are lacking and has already proven he can produce in Fisher's Triangle system. But boy thank goodness we got that big useless chunk of Beef Bourguignon in Seraphin.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcahJZjRRM8[/youtube]

[dakomish23]

We should merge a few of these point guard threads together

If only we could merge our point guards together...

[djdeluxe]

Just my 2 cents, the problem with Jose is not just defense as stated here, there are a lot of tough guards in this league to defend, what I see is that Jose doesn't keep the defense honest, he cannot create his own shot nor for others, I can count how many times this season he has scored on a lay up, and he is not elite an any area, not an elite passer, shooter, defender or athleticism. He is just a safe guard, he rarely turns the ball over but he always plays it safe, never pushes the tempo or force the defense to adjust.

To be honest I would rather see Grant, in Grant I see just like any rookie, he is adjusting, and part of his struggles are his inconsistent minutes and lets face it, this is not the best offense for a guard like him, some of you want Rondo here but he will never work in this offense as he needs the ball in his hands. Part of the reason why Jose looks half way decent is because of this offense, he isn't asked to do anything like most traditional point guards do for their teams CREATE.

[dakomish23]

Meanwhile Jrue is wasting a fantastic bounce back year in NOP

32 pts on 13/21 fg 2/5 3pt 4/5 ft
6 rebs 9 asts 3 stls

[stopstandthere]

Seriously, we should develop Grant. The thing is, are you patient enough?

[moocow007]

It's become quite evident that this team's potential is crippled due to the fact that we have extremely weak point guard play. Jose Calderon, while anchoring the triangle system efficiently is 35 years old and simply can no longer defend at the NBA level against starting point guards. This is a young mans game, and Calderon's lack of athleticism is apparent.

I completely understand that this topic is beat to death, but it will only continue to hamper our future until we take care of this issue. We did't expect for KP, Lance Thomas or Derrick Williams to be this good. Afflalo has taken the role of a mini-Kobe, and Robin has been coming on as of late. This team can seriously compete for an ECF appearance with fresh legs at Point Guard.

The over the top criticism of Jose's play ones this board is simply wrong. Jose's play is not nearly as bad as those here - like yourself - make it out to be. According to this years "Real Plus/Minus" rankings amongst Point Guards this year, Jose ranks 20th, ahead of guards like Jeff Teague, Jrue Holiday, Goran Dragic, Kyrie Irving and Rajon Rondo. Here are the rankings:

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM/position/1
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Also, if you look at Jose's defensive RPM (DRPM), it's not THAT bad. For example, it's better than Mike Conley's, Damian Lillard's, Reggie Jackson's, Jrue Holiday's, Ramon Session's, Jeff Teague's, Kyrie Irving's, Brandon' Knight's and others.

For those who want to read up on RPM:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10740818/introducing-real-plus-minus

So, in the words of the immortal Wilson Pickett ..

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So we should get each of those teams on the phone and offer Calderon for them? Maybe since plus minus so accurately and definitively defines how good a player is, those teams should be eager to make a PG swap since Calderon is cheaper. How can any team pass on better AND cheaper?

[moocow007]

so you called 1 player trash just to name other trash players all of which are shorter the deli

Deli is an overrated version of galloway he's only good because he plays with lebron idk why you guys love him so much. He wouldn't solve anything for us. He's reckless and he would be terrible in our offense.

darren dj and devin would thrive in our offense right?

They would probably be as good as Calderon. Not sure if that qualifies as "thrive". Collision probably would be the biggest breath of fresh air (or at least a different type of air) for Knicks fans after having to watch Calderon for 2 seasons as Collison is the most skilled of the group in getting to the basket.

[moocow007]

Would much rather start Galloway, and have Grant as a backup. Maybe go for a SG?
Tony Allen?

Not enough shot creating ability there.

[wang000hk]

Seriously, we should develop Grant. The thing is, are you patient enough?

We should develop Grant in dleague

Get him more comfortable in triangle in less talented competition before giving him huge minutes when he hurt more than help this team at this point

[NYKnicksTAPE]

Meanwhile Jrue is wasting a fantastic bounce back year in NOP

32 pts on 13/21 fg 2/5 3pt 4/5 ft
6 rebs 9 asts 3 stls

Bro, I saw that stat line earlier and it just killed me

[Adelheid]

NOP isnt going to let go of Jrue without something good in return.

[HarthorneWingo]

It's become quite evident that this team's potential is crippled due to the fact that we have extremely weak point guard play. Jose Calderon, while anchoring the triangle system efficiently is 35 years old and simply can no longer defend at the NBA level against starting point guards. This is a young mans game, and Calderon's lack of athleticism is apparent.

I completely understand that this topic is beat to death, but it will only continue to hamper our future until we take care of this issue. We did't expect for KP, Lance Thomas or Derrick Williams to be this good. Afflalo has taken the role of a mini-Kobe, and Robin has been coming on as of late. This team can seriously compete for an ECF appearance with fresh legs at Point Guard.

The over the top criticism of Jose's play ones this board is simply wrong. Jose's play is not nearly as bad as those here - like yourself - make it out to be. According to this years "Real Plus/Minus" rankings amongst Point Guards this year, Jose ranks 20th, ahead of guards like Jeff Teague, Jrue Holiday, Goran Dragic, Kyrie Irving and Rajon Rondo. Here are the rankings:

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM/position/1
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Also, if you look at Jose's defensive RPM (DRPM), it's not THAT bad. For example, it's better than Mike Conley's, Damian Lillard's, Reggie Jackson's, Jrue Holiday's, Ramon Session's, Jeff Teague's, Kyrie Irving's, Brandon' Knight's and others.

For those who want to read up on RPM:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10740818/introducing-real-plus-minus

So, in the words of the immortal Wilson Pickett ..

So we should get each of those teams on the phone and offer Calderon for them? Maybe since plus minus so accurately and definitively defines how good a player is, those teams should be eager to make a PG swap since Calderon is cheaper. How can any team pass on better AND cheaper?

Well, neither of us know what Phil is doing behind the scenes and what kind of money other teams can take on given their respective cap situations. There is also a "fit" consideration depending on where other teams are at in their development. So, to blindly ask "Then why don't we just trade him for one of them?" is a little simplistic, don't you think?

My point was, Jose is not a bad an option right now as people here make him out to be. To the extent to you think a stat like this is helpful, then it supports my argument.

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[Triple C]

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[Adelheid]

Now that is interestingly more direct...Would Phil be a good samaritan and grant this boy's wish even for 10 days?

[djdeluxe]

why?, he was cut from Philly, the worse team in the league, I will pass, rather develop Grant and let Galloway run the point until we get at least a 1st or Second tier point guard, its a shame that other teams second team point guards are better than our first, Fisher always talks about the Triangle doesn't need / or rely on a top point guard but yet he wants to push the tempo and get easier baskets before running the Triangle set, well Jose is not your man, could some one please tell me when is the last time you saw Jose go coast to coast, or get in the paint and kick it out for an easy score........ I'm waiting