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Re: Knicks will go after players who fit triangle 

Post#161 » by GONYK » Wed Apr 13, 2016 7:33 pm

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god shammgod wrote:it's not just jose. it's jose, aaron, seraphin & o quinn who are all a little too slow to be effective. hopefully they learn from this.


That was who was available. With the exception of Seraphin, who Fisher asked for over Shved, who were the better options that we chose Afflalo and KOQ over for the price?

i hate to be this guy but instead of koq or seraphin, if they had gotten lin the knicks would have been a much better team


I agree, but I don't think not signing Lin was as simple as us just passing on him. I'm thinking Jimmy still holds a grudge.
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Re: Knicks will go after players who fit triangle 

Post#162 » by Knicks_Fan2 » Wed Apr 13, 2016 7:46 pm

The primary issue really isn't getting players that fit the system given that, as many have pointed out, ideal players for the triangle would be ideal in any system really, it's that the triangle has been stigmatized around the league and players do not want to play in it our FO continues to harp on it and I am wary of the coaching staff building a system that completely fits the personnel (system that fits the personnel but also incorporates triangle concepts see GSW).
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Re: Knicks will go after players who fit triangle 

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Re: Knicks will go after players who fit triangle 

Post#164 » by Coeur » Wed Apr 13, 2016 8:10 pm

fuller4379 wrote:Give it up Jackson. It wasn't the triangle that won those championships. It was having Jordan/Pippen, Bryant/Shaq, and Bryant/Gasol. Your triangle sucks.

I don't agree. Or atleast I'd say you can't go that far yet. Terrible coaching and an all time terrible NBA backcourt means you can't really make that call yet.

I think Carmelos spot in the triangle needs to change. It just can't while not having anybody else to create or handle the ball and initiate offense.
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Post#165 » by Red Vines » Wed Apr 13, 2016 8:12 pm

Knicks_Fan2 wrote:The primary issue really isn't getting players that fit the system given that, as many have pointed out, ideal players for the triangle would be ideal in any system really, it's that the triangle has been stigmatized around the league and players do not want to play in it our FO continues to harp on it and I am wary of the coaching staff building a system that completely fits the personnel (system that fits the personnel but also incorporates triangle concepts see GSW).

Was about to post exact same thing...nobody wants to wait 1-2 years just to start feeling comfortable in our offense.
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Re: Knicks will go after players who fit triangle 

Post#166 » by NoLayupRule » Wed Apr 13, 2016 8:19 pm

instead of crying about the triangle and Jackson I wonder if anyone has discussed the players we might want to target in the triangle?


I think Batum is perfect

he's the Pippen-esque guy we need to play with Melo
Plus hes versatile enough, willing enough a passer, good enough a shooter, etc to thrive in the system


now the PG position is tougher
i still think Dellavodava is a good cheapish option especially if Clev wants to chase another celeb player instead of developing

alternately MCW might be available for the offer

I wonder who else might be a positive fit?
Rondo doesn't strike me as the answer
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Re: Knicks will go after players who fit triangle 

Post#167 » by GONYK » Wed Apr 13, 2016 8:25 pm

NoLayupRule wrote:instead of crying about the triangle and Jackson I wonder if anyone has discussed the players we might want to target in the triangle?


I think Batum is perfect

he's the Pippen-esque guy we need to play with Melo
Plus hes versatile enough, willing enough a passer, good enough a shooter, etc to thrive in the system


now the PG position is tougher
i still think Dellavodava is a good cheapish option especially if Clev wants to chase another celeb player instead of developing

alternately MCW might be available for the offer

I wonder who else might be a positive fit?
Rondo doesn't strike me as the answer


I'd rather just do Batum and start Grant. Delly and MCW are trash for the money
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Re: Knicks will go after players who fit triangle 

Post#168 » by Floozenheimen » Wed Apr 13, 2016 8:32 pm

NoLayupRule wrote:instead of crying about the triangle and Jackson I wonder if anyone has discussed the players we might want to target in the triangle?


I think Batum is perfect

he's the Pippen-esque guy we need to play with Melo
Plus hes versatile enough, willing enough a passer, good enough a shooter, etc to thrive in the system


now the PG position is tougher
i still think Dellavodava is a good cheapish option especially if Clev wants to chase another celeb player instead of developing

alternately MCW might be available for the offer

I wonder who else might be a positive fit?
Rondo doesn't strike me as the answer


I'd love Batum as well, but as far as the PG position goes, I don't think there is anyone worth spending the money on this offseason, unless Conley can be had cheap(15mil per year), which I doubt even with his injuries and drop in defensive performance he'd accept. This is a seller's market as he's the only viable PG available, so he will naturally be overpaid by someone. Instead of that, I say keep developing Grant and Wroten, stay flexible and not lock all our money up for the long term this summer. Head into 2017 summer with a draft pick and cap room to sign the likes of Westbrook or another premier player depending on how we look. There are so many variables at play right now, that we have no clue what 2017 will bring, but right now I'm kicking the tires and not sold on any big moves this summer. Let's sit on our money.

I guess what I'm saying is, let's not spend money simply because we have it to spend, but be patient for the right player(s). The NBA is very punishing to teams that overpay for a free agent. It handcuffs said team for years if they sign the wrong dude. We're not in a rush to become contenders within the next year or two, so we might as well maximize what we can thinking 3-5 years from now. If that means a pass on Conley because he wants 20 million at 4 years, then so be it. I'd rather spread money around to younger guys who are less of a risk with greater upside to outperform their contract. I think that's the way to go from our position. If we were one player away from winning a championship, then fine, pay some aging star, but we are too far gone right now to justify that type of transaction, in my humble opinion.
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Re: Knicks will go after players who fit triangle 

Post#169 » by NoLayupRule » Wed Apr 13, 2016 8:46 pm

GONYK wrote:
NoLayupRule wrote:instead of crying about the triangle and Jackson I wonder if anyone has discussed the players we might want to target in the triangle?


I think Batum is perfect

he's the Pippen-esque guy we need to play with Melo
Plus hes versatile enough, willing enough a passer, good enough a shooter, etc to thrive in the system


now the PG position is tougher
i still think Dellavodava is a good cheapish option especially if Clev wants to chase another celeb player instead of developing

alternately MCW might be available for the offer

I wonder who else might be a positive fit?
Rondo doesn't strike me as the answer


I'd rather just do Batum and start Grant. Delly and MCW are trash for the money

Delly brings the good defense and has ability from 3 on set up jumpers
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Re: Knicks will go after players who fit triangle 

Post#170 » by GONYK » Wed Apr 13, 2016 8:48 pm

NoLayupRule wrote:
GONYK wrote:
NoLayupRule wrote:instead of crying about the triangle and Jackson I wonder if anyone has discussed the players we might want to target in the triangle?


I think Batum is perfect

he's the Pippen-esque guy we need to play with Melo
Plus hes versatile enough, willing enough a passer, good enough a shooter, etc to thrive in the system


now the PG position is tougher
i still think Dellavodava is a good cheapish option especially if Clev wants to chase another celeb player instead of developing

alternately MCW might be available for the offer

I wonder who else might be a positive fit?
Rondo doesn't strike me as the answer


I'd rather just do Batum and start Grant. Delly and MCW are trash for the money

Delly brings the good defense and has ability from 3 on set up jumpers


That's not worth exponentially more than Galloway, nor is it really worth starting
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Re: Knicks will go after players who fit triangle 

Post#171 » by NoLayupRule » Wed Apr 13, 2016 8:53 pm

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NoLayupRule wrote:instead of crying about the triangle and Jackson I wonder if anyone has discussed the players we might want to target in the triangle?


I think Batum is perfect

he's the Pippen-esque guy we need to play with Melo
Plus hes versatile enough, willing enough a passer, good enough a shooter, etc to thrive in the system


now the PG position is tougher
i still think Dellavodava is a good cheapish option especially if Clev wants to chase another celeb player instead of developing

alternately MCW might be available for the offer

I wonder who else might be a positive fit?
Rondo doesn't strike me as the answer


I'd love Batum as well, but as far as the PG position goes, I don't think there is anyone worth spending the money on this offseason, unless Conley can be had cheap(15mil per year), which I doubt even with his injuries and drop in defensive performance he'd accept. This is a seller's market as he's the only viable PG available, so he will naturally be overpaid by someone. Instead of that, I say keep developing Grant and Wroten, stay flexible and not lock all our money up for the long term this summer. Head into 2017 summer with a draft pick and cap room to sign the likes of Westbrook or another premier player depending on how we look. There are so many variables at play right now, that we have no clue what 2017 will bring, but right now I'm kicking the tires and not sold on any big moves this summer. Let's sit on our money.

I guess what I'm saying is, let's not spend money simply because we have it to spend, but be patient for the right player(s). The NBA is very punishing to teams that overpay for a free agent. It handcuffs said team for years if they sign the wrong dude. We're not in a rush to become contenders within the next year or two, so we might as well maximize what we can thinking 3-5 years from now. If that means a pass on Conley because he wants 20 million at 4 years, then so be it. I'd rather spread money around to younger guys who are less of a risk with greater upside to outperform their contract. I think that's the way to go from our position. If we were one player away from winning a championship, then fine, pay some aging star, but we are too far gone right now to justify that type of transaction, in my humble opinion.

its a tough one for sure

Batum is perfect but at 24 mil thats hard to swallow
Bazemore could work but even 12 mil is tough for him and thats probably his salary ask

If we don't improve were in major trouble

but if we stand pat there is a good chance that we can make trades using our cap space to clear players off other rosters who want to go after big names or just don't want to pay out anymore

its a tough one
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Re: Knicks will go after players who fit triangle 

Post#172 » by NoLayupRule » Wed Apr 13, 2016 9:07 pm

GONYK wrote:
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I'd rather just do Batum and start Grant. Delly and MCW are trash for the money

Delly brings the good defense and has ability from 3 on set up jumpers


That's not worth exponentially more than Galloway, nor is it really worth starting

fair enough

though Delly is tested
Galloway is not


I like Galloway but I don't see him starting on this squad and Im not convinced Grant is ready just yet ether


truth be told I think we need a major upgrade at one guard position and then the other we can fill from within our ranks
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Post#173 » by Coeur » Wed Apr 13, 2016 9:54 pm

NoLayupRule wrote:instead of crying about the triangle and Jackson I wonder if anyone has discussed the players we might want to target in the triangle?


I think Batum is perfect

he's the Pippen-esque guy we need to play with Melo
Plus hes versatile enough, willing enough a passer, good enough a shooter, etc to thrive in the system


now the PG position is tougher
i still think Dellavodava is a good cheapish option especially if Clev wants to chase another celeb player instead of developing

alternately MCW might be available for the offer

I wonder who else might be a positive fit?
Rondo doesn't strike me as the answer

Batum would be ideal.

At pg it's Jrue Holiday. Yeah you'll have to trade for one. Esp if you are going big money at the "2".

Jrue/Wroten
Batum
Carmelo
KP/dWill
Lopez

That's a Phil is all time great GM transformation. To go form slow and u athletic to that is the exact change the triangle needs to work esp if you grab 2-3 super athletes to join them. Elite athletisism and shooting. If they could get
Teletovic
Jared Cunningham

Some of the guys you bring back not traded for picks/Jrue/Archie Plus you know Phil is getting into the draft. He does every time.
Josh Adams
Nigel Hayes

Try hard for a trade for Archie Goodwin or settle for Jamal Crawford

ECF or better. Top 5 team in the NBA

Jrue/Wroten/Cunningham/Adams
Batum/crawford/Archie
Carmelo/Nigel
KP/dWill/Teletovic
Lopez/hernangomez/Shawn long
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Re: Knicks will go after players who fit triangle 

Post#174 » by NoLayupRule » Wed Apr 13, 2016 10:09 pm

Coeur wrote:
NoLayupRule wrote:instead of crying about the triangle and Jackson I wonder if anyone has discussed the players we might want to target in the triangle?


I think Batum is perfect

he's the Pippen-esque guy we need to play with Melo
Plus hes versatile enough, willing enough a passer, good enough a shooter, etc to thrive in the system


now the PG position is tougher
i still think Dellavodava is a good cheapish option especially if Clev wants to chase another celeb player instead of developing

alternately MCW might be available for the offer

I wonder who else might be a positive fit?
Rondo doesn't strike me as the answer

Batum would be ideal.

At pg it's Jrue Holiday. Yeah you'll have to trade for one. Esp if you are going big money at the "2".

Jrue/Wroten
Batum
Carmelo
KP/dWill
Lopez

That's a Phil is all time great GM transformation. To go form slow and u athletic to that is the exact change the triangle needs to work esp if you grab 2-3 super athletes to join them. Elite athletisism and shooting. If they could get
Teletovic
Jared Cunningham

Some of the guys you bring back not traded for picks/Jrue/Archie Plus you know Phil is getting into the draft. He does every time.
Josh Adams
Nigel Hayes

Try hard for a trade for Archie Goodwin or settle for Jamal Crawford

ECF or better. Top 5 team in the NBA

Jrue/Wroten/Cunningham/Adams
Batum/crawford/Archie
Carmelo/Nigel
KP/dWill/Teletovic
Lopez/hernangomez/Shawn long

Id love to get him on the squad but I don't see how
a similar option would be Bledstoe who might become available if they are cool with Booker at the 2 full time
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Post#176 » by FemaleDogPlease » Wed Apr 13, 2016 11:02 pm

I don't see Batum turning down a 5th year from Charlotte.

Miami doesn't have full bird rights on Whiteside. I'd make him a max offer early on. Then work on trading Lopez for a guard.
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Re: Knicks will go after players who fit triangle 

Post#177 » by Floozenheimen » Wed Apr 13, 2016 11:07 pm

NoLayupRule wrote:
Coeur wrote:
NoLayupRule wrote:instead of crying about the triangle and Jackson I wonder if anyone has discussed the players we might want to target in the triangle?


I think Batum is perfect

he's the Pippen-esque guy we need to play with Melo
Plus hes versatile enough, willing enough a passer, good enough a shooter, etc to thrive in the system


now the PG position is tougher
i still think Dellavodava is a good cheapish option especially if Clev wants to chase another celeb player instead of developing

alternately MCW might be available for the offer

I wonder who else might be a positive fit?
Rondo doesn't strike me as the answer

Batum would be ideal.

At pg it's Jrue Holiday. Yeah you'll have to trade for one. Esp if you are going big money at the "2".

Jrue/Wroten
Batum
Carmelo
KP/dWill
Lopez

That's a Phil is all time great GM transformation. To go form slow and u athletic to that is the exact change the triangle needs to work esp if you grab 2-3 super athletes to join them. Elite athletisism and shooting. If they could get
Teletovic
Jared Cunningham

Some of the guys you bring back not traded for picks/Jrue/Archie Plus you know Phil is getting into the draft. He does every time.
Josh Adams
Nigel Hayes

Try hard for a trade for Archie Goodwin or settle for Jamal Crawford

ECF or better. Top 5 team in the NBA

Jrue/Wroten/Cunningham/Adams
Batum/crawford/Archie
Carmelo/Nigel
KP/dWill/Teletovic
Lopez/hernangomez/Shawn long

Id love to get him on the squad but I don't see how
a similar option would be Bledstoe who might become available if they are cool with Booker at the 2 full time


If we miraculously sign Batum, I'm 100% fine with staying with Grant and developing him. Trading him + another asset + a pick for Jrue screams Dolan impatience and something we would have done in the 2000s. We would be mortgaging our future to win now, when now is almost a certain impossibility when the Warriors exist.

Instead, if we sign Batum (which I'd guess is a 5-10% chance of happening), I would continue to NOT trade picks or young players to "win now" or "quick fix" and be patient. Rookie contracts and bird rights are HUGE for being able to build a contender. Grant, who could be our starting PG for the next 10 years is not someone I would overlook for Jrue Holiday. If it were Westbrook or another SUPERSTAR, sure I'd be singing a different tune, but not for a guy who is arguably not a top ten PG in the league.
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Re: Knicks will go after players who fit triangle 

Post#178 » by blueNorange » Wed Apr 13, 2016 11:11 pm

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Looks like he's here to stay

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Post#179 » by BallSacBounce » Wed Apr 13, 2016 11:45 pm

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That was who was available. With the exception of Seraphin, who Fisher asked for over Shved, who were the better options that we chose Afflalo and KOQ over for the price?



Wait Fisher is the reason we got Seraphin? As if I didn't have enough reasons to hate him.


Derek Fisher and general manager Steve Mills convinced Knicks president Phil Jackson that Seraphin was a better fit as a backup center than adding combo guard Alexey Shved, who was eager to accept the Knicks’ $2.8 million exception.

http://nypost.com/2015/09/29/former-wizards-big-man-relishing-opportunity-with-knicks/


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