Source: Teams inquiring on Kyle O'Quinn

[K_ick_God]

Yep grass greener syndrome.

[Dr. Detfink]

The Knicks are looking for ANY reason to shed payroll because they can't move Noah's contract. The Mighty Quinn will never be a starter because DJ Jazzy Jeff wants KP at the Five. You have Hercules Hernangomez coming off the bench.

Now, IF the Knicks move him, then they should move him (and Lance Thomas) for an expiring AND draft pick.

Now, when Rose comes off the books, the Knicks actually have SOME money to at least give a whiff from a FA.

[CJackson]

All these years all the talk talk talk about admiring franchises like the Spurs and here we have a player who was picked up and nurtured and is now blossoming and the first impulse is to trade him. That's just swell

And not one single poster has even thought to observe how well KOQ plays with KP

If you don't want players that mesh well with our centerpiece player then what do you want?

[CJackson]

The Knicks are looking for ANY reason to shed payroll because they can't move Noah's contract. The Mighty Quinn will never be a starter because DJ Jazzy Jeff wants KP at the Five. You have Hercules Hernangomez coming off the bench.

Now, IF the Knicks move him, then they should move him (and Lance Thomas) for an expiring AND draft pick.

Now, when Rose comes off the books, the Knicks actually have SOME money to at least give a whiff from a FA.

According to you and your sauces only

[Dr. Detfink]

According to you and your sauces only

Well tell me, Bomani Jones who is going to take that crappy Noah contract? Because we all know this team isn't going anywhere but hopefully a first round playoff series IF every one is healthy.

[CJackson]

According to you and your sauces only

Well tell me, Bomani Jones who is going to take that crappy Noah contract? Because we all know this team isn't going anywhere but hopefully a first round playoff series IF every one is healthy.

Just pointing out that you're speaking out of your hat when you say you know what the desire of the Knicks franchise is. They just signed him to his deal and claiming they are trying to move his contract is based on your imagination only.

[kane2021]

Really I don't think there's anything to talk about. Knicks tried to move him last season but couldn't. Now he's playing well so I'm sure these teams are just checking to see if he by chance is still available. I don't think this is a situation where our door is getting knocked down because everyone's gotta have him. It's still nice to hear that people are calling us for a change though.


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[CJackson]

Really I don't think there's anything to talk about. Knicks tried to move him last season but couldn't. Now he's playing well so I'm sure these teams are just checking to see if he by chance is still available. I don't think this is a situation where our door is getting knocked down because everyone's gotta have him. It's still nice to hear that people are calling us for a change though.


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Sure. It is an indicator of what I have defined as building assets. Keep adding good pieces on cheap to reasonable contracts and one day the franchise may find itself in the enviable position of calling the shots on a team altering deal. And the way to get to that moment is by signing KOQ, Willy's, Kuz's, etc. until you hit critical mass and your bench is so good and deep other teams start acting like you're the hot girl they wanna date

This stuff takes years. Vision. Patience.

[Bill Pidto]

All these years all the talk talk talk about admiring franchises like the Spurs and here we have a player who was picked up and nurtured and is now blossoming and the first impulse is to trade him. That's just swell

And not one single poster has even thought to observe how well KOQ plays with KP

If you don't want players that mesh well with our centerpiece player then what do you want?

I swear you read my mind there. I always thought Phil was going for a very Spurs-like approach in team building. System basketball, an emphasis on high-character, team oriented role players, the overseas scouting, valuing draft picks, and even a Duncanesque centerpiece in KP. The whole shabang.

KOQ is a Spurs-like find for the Knicks, plain and simple. He has all the right qualities, and he's on a dirt cheap deal. His chemistry with KP is the cherry on top. You have to love the prospects of those 2 guys developing into one of the best frontcourt duos in the league.

[CJackson]

All these years all the talk talk talk about admiring franchises like the Spurs and here we have a player who was picked up and nurtured and is now blossoming and the first impulse is to trade him. That's just swell

And not one single poster has even thought to observe how well KOQ plays with KP

If you don't want players that mesh well with our centerpiece player then what do you want?

I swear you read my mind there. I always thought Phil was going for a very Spurs-like approach in team building. System basketball, an emphasis on high-character, team oriented role players, the overseas scouting, valuing draft picks, and even a Duncanesque centerpiece in KP. The whole shabang.

KOQ is a Spurs-like find for the Knicks, plain and simple. He has all the right qualities, and he's on a dirt cheap deal. His chemistry with KP is the cherry on top. You have to love the prospects of those 2 guys developing into one of the best frontcourt duos in the league.

[TheDavinciCHODE]

I think his recent hot streak, attitude, and hustle have blinded some of the posters here. The guy is a solid backup big, and that's about it. He's getting about 6/5 on a nightly basis and a lot of his minutes come against 2nd units.

His real value comes from what he brings to the team in terms of chemistry, his hustle, work ethic(look how much he slimmed down)!, and the effort he brings in off the bench when the team needs it. That and the fact that he is on a contract that boils down to barely above the minimum when you take into account salary increases.

He's getting 4 mil per and playing at a 10/11 mil per level, and he's under contract for another two seasons. A team would definitely love him for cutting salary AND getting a + value bench guy.

I want to keep KOQ, but if a team makes an offer that's beneficial, then we need to consider it.

What I am worried about is shortening our big rotation to the point that it's detrimental to KP and Melo, and it would also leave us suceptible to major injury issues. Right now, if Noah goes down, we still have a few bigs that can give valuable minutes at the 5. If we flip Oquinn for a pick or good bench player, then we're really rolling the dice. We would need someone from the D-league or a vet min player to shore it up.

If Denver wants KOQ and a 2nd rounder for Wilson Chandler...then we need to

Just a reminder. KOQ has logged real minutes vs. starting centers though. He handcuffed KAT on the second game of the back to back. He is not going to stop everyone or someone like Cousins, but he has performed well overall regardless of whether he's playing starters or backups.

No doubt that KOQ has put in real work and been a big plus for us, but I want to put his performance into perspective. He's done well, but mostly well in terms of expectation. He's still a relatively limited hustle big. You need those guys to win, especially when you're a defensively challenged team like we are, but KOQ's value isn't as high as it's being made out to be. He is definitely one of those spirit guys that is worth more to us than he would be to a new team in a vacuum, since he brings so many of the intangibles that we are desperately needing.

I really like KOQ, and want him to stay on this team....but not sure if he's as good as some people are making him out to be.

[taikibansei]

According to you and your sauces only

Well tell me, Bomani Jones who is going to take that crappy Noah contract? Because we all know this team isn't going anywhere but hopefully a first round playoff series IF every one is healthy.

Regarding the crappy Noah contract, I'm of the camp that KOQ doesn't make the leap he did without Noah coming here. In other words, that Noah contract is paying dividends. (And yeah, he's overpaid to be an assistant coach, but it's not our money. )

Also, a first round playoff series--even if ending in a loss--sounds good to me at this stage. Baby steps.

[MaseInYourFace]

When it comes to the cap Kyle makes next to nothing so it kinda limits now many trades you can really do with him unless it's a package or a team is willing to give up a younging for him

[MaseInYourFace]

Lol @KOQ being untradeable now. Not saying you just give him away but best believe he should be traded if you getting something young and good back.

[CJackson]

I think his recent hot streak, attitude, and hustle have blinded some of the posters here. The guy is a solid backup big, and that's about it. He's getting about 6/5 on a nightly basis and a lot of his minutes come against 2nd units.

His real value comes from what he brings to the team in terms of chemistry, his hustle, work ethic(look how much he slimmed down)!, and the effort he brings in off the bench when the team needs it. That and the fact that he is on a contract that boils down to barely above the minimum when you take into account salary increases.

He's getting 4 mil per and playing at a 10/11 mil per level, and he's under contract for another two seasons. A team would definitely love him for cutting salary AND getting a + value bench guy.

I want to keep KOQ, but if a team makes an offer that's beneficial, then we need to consider it.

What I am worried about is shortening our big rotation to the point that it's detrimental to KP and Melo, and it would also leave us suceptible to major injury issues. Right now, if Noah goes down, we still have a few bigs that can give valuable minutes at the 5. If we flip Oquinn for a pick or good bench player, then we're really rolling the dice. We would need someone from the D-league or a vet min player to shore it up.

If Denver wants KOQ and a 2nd rounder for Wilson Chandler...then we need to

Just a reminder. KOQ has logged real minutes vs. starting centers though. He handcuffed KAT on the second game of the back to back. He is not going to stop everyone or someone like Cousins, but he has performed well overall regardless of whether he's playing starters or backups.

No doubt that KOQ has put in real work and been a big plus for us, but I want to put his performance into perspective. He's done well, but mostly well in terms of expectation.

I could not agree less. He has done well in terms of playing a winning brand of basketball which has nothing to do with exceeding expectations.

He's still a relatively limited hustle big.

I will also have to completely disagree with you here. He has consistently out-rebounded upwards of four players from the other team, made timely passes for big assist, tipped out the ball, hit the shots that makes him a mid-range threat and time and again scored off of offensive boards. Plus his defense and rim protection is way better than previously thought to be possible. In sum, the guy is just playing outstanding ball and often produces amazing numbers in just 10-15 minutes.

You need those guys to win, especially when you're a defensively challenged team like we are, but KOQ's value isn't as high as it's being made out to be.

Made out? Not sure who is projecting what his value to be. The only value that matters right now is this would definitely be a sub-.500 team without him and removing the team's most reliable player this season is hardly insigifnicant.

He is definitely one of those spirit guys that is worth more to us than he would be to a new team in a vacuum, since he brings so many of the intangibles that we are desperately needing.

Intangibles only? He produces numerically. His spirit is a huge plus, but his numbers are stellar.

I really like KOQ, and want him to stay on this team....but not sure if he's as good as some people are making him out to be.

[CJackson]

Lol @KOQ being untradeable now. Not saying you just give him away but best believe he should be traded if you getting something young and good back.

And KOQ is not young and good himself?

[MaseInYourFace]

Lol @KOQ being untradeable now. Not saying you just give him away but best believe he should be traded if you getting something young and good back.

And KOQ is not young and good himself?

True but you really think he's going to get much better than this? I don't. Odds are he has reached his ceiling.

[NYKinMIA]

Aww fuq it. Trade him, time for a new avi anyway.

[MaseInYourFace]

Considering his contract there's definitely a strong argument to keeping O'quinn as well. Just don't think he should be talked about like he's untradeable now. That's crazy.

[CJackson]

Lol @KOQ being untradeable now. Not saying you just give him away but best believe he should be traded if you getting something young and good back.

And KOQ is not young and good himself?

True but you really think he's going to get much better than this? I don't. Odds are he has reached his ceiling.

There's a time to bank on potential and there's a time to lock in on sustainable value. KOQ at his current level is actually excellent and I'm tired of fantasy trades vs. supporting what is actually verifiably good quality chit in our midst. And KOQ is playing REAL BALL. He is becoming a solid piece in the MIDDLE. For me that's big. This franchise has been weak as hell in the paint and at PG for so long I'm not going to jinx our big when they are playing like this by wishing them gone as soon as they excel. I actually think it makes us look like chit fans to do that. Not directed at you in particular, but my feeling about this whole vibe that you trade him now. Based on this kind of mood this board would have lobbied to trade Oak or Mase too just because they were showing value. Value is here. Use it!