Porzingis Unicorn #3 Thread

[ny-n-md]

Y'know I get nauseous reading the comments in this forum. Imagine playing for the Knicks?

Not even two full seasons, fans are ready to throw dirt on KP. He's already better than Patrick Ewing's first two seasons. So now he's a soft bum?

Once again, let's go down the memory road of Knick picks...

Mike Sweetney, Trevor Ariza, Nate Robinson, David Lee, Wilson Chandler, Channing Frye, Jordan Hill, Andy Rautins, Landry Fields, Iman Shumpert and the sleeper pick, Renaldo Balkan....

And you jackals have the stones to criticize EVERY KP game? Wow.

Lebrun James gets bent when someone questions his "day off" by calling rest, a weapon.

KP has a stomach bug, STILL plays and he's scrutinized.

I'm not sure if I can take you seriously anymore. I'm hoping this is just sarcasm. If you are serious, this just proves the point about KP's overhype. We always put unfair and unrealistic expectations on our potential. Then we label them a bust when they don't live up to them.

[Milk]

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[ny-n-md]

Ewing never averaged under 20 and 8 during his first 13 seasons. This is not even counting his shot blocking and steals per game, which are better than KP's. I still hold to the idea that dominant players are usually evident at the lower levels which then translates to the NBA level. KP has never carried a team or been the alpha. This is much harder than it appears. Slow down and respect the greatness of players before dismissing it for the latest newest shiny toy.

[ChaosHamster]

Ewing never averaged under 20 and 8 during his first 13 seasons. This is not even counting his shot blocking and steals per game, which are better than KP's. I still hold to the idea that dominant players are usually evident at the lower levels which then translates to the NBA level. KP has never carried a team or been the alpha. This is much harder than it appears. Slow down and respect the greatness of players before dismissing it for the latest newest shiny toy.

To be fair Ewings first and second season he was 23 and 24 years old..

When he was 21, he was averaging 16 & 10 in college.

sooo

Spoiler:

KP > Ewing

[ny-n-md]

Ewing never averaged under 20 and 8 during his first 13 seasons. This is not even counting his shot blocking and steals per game, which are better than KP's. I still hold to the idea that dominant players are usually evident at the lower levels which then translates to the NBA level. KP has never carried a team or been the alpha. This is much harder than it appears. Slow down and respect the greatness of players before dismissing it for the latest newest shiny toy.

To be fair Ewings first and second season he was 23 and 24 years old..

When he was 21, he was averaging 16 & 10 in college.

sooo

Spoiler:

KP > Ewing

Nice try but that's not what he said.

[Marty McFly]

Ewing never averaged under 20 and 8 during his first 13 seasons. This is not even counting his shot blocking and steals per game, which are better than KP's. I still hold to the idea that dominant players are usually evident at the lower levels which then translates to the NBA level. KP has never carried a team or been the alpha. This is much harder than it appears. Slow down and respect the greatness of players before dismissing it for the latest newest shiny toy.

while you make a decent point about respecting players like pat, patrick ewing was 23 in his first nba season. kp is 21 years old in his second season. even discounting that, their fairly even statistically their first 2 seasons per 36 minutes. as far as that "alpha" talk, I'll wait and see when he has the keys to see whether or not he has what it takes.

[shtolky]

Ewing never averaged under 20 and 8 during his first 13 seasons. This is not even counting his shot blocking and steals per game, which are better than KP's. I still hold to the idea that dominant players are usually evident at the lower levels which then translates to the NBA level. KP has never carried a team or been the alpha. This is much harder than it appears. Slow down and respect the greatness of players before dismissing it for the latest newest shiny toy.

while you make a decent point about respecting players like pat, patrick ewing was 23 in his first nba season. kp is 21 years old in his second season. even discounting that, their fairly even statistically their first 2 seasons per 36 minutes. as far as that "alpha" talk, I'll wait and see when he has the keys to see whether or not he has what it takes.

Also, despite Ewing's stellar numbers his first four seasons, he didn't really hit superstar status until year 5 (you could say year 4, but his year 5 numbers are astounding). Point being, you need to give players time to improve, and Ewing as I mentioned really took off when he was 27. KP is 21 and he didn't play big time college ball for four seasons as THE guy. He will improve dramatically.

[PeteW]

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Totally forgot KP's in the skills challenge. On a side note wth is KP wearing?

[ny-n-md]

Ewing never averaged under 20 and 8 during his first 13 seasons. This is not even counting his shot blocking and steals per game, which are better than KP's. I still hold to the idea that dominant players are usually evident at the lower levels which then translates to the NBA level. KP has never carried a team or been the alpha. This is much harder than it appears. Slow down and respect the greatness of players before dismissing it for the latest newest shiny toy.

while you make a decent point about respecting players like pat, patrick ewing was 23 in his first nba season. kp is 21 years old in his second season. even discounting that, their fairly even statistically their first 2 seasons per 36 minutes. as far as that "alpha" talk, I'll wait and see when he has the keys to see whether or not he has what it takes.

Also, despite Ewing's stellar numbers his first four seasons, he didn't really hit superstar status until year 5 (you could say year 4, but his year 5 numbers are astounding). Point being, you need to give players time to improve, and Ewing as I mentioned really took off when he was 27. KP is 21 and he didn't play big time college ball for four seasons as THE guy. He will improve dramatically.

I still don't see their performances as being fairly even. Pat was a beast on both ends. KP has potential to be but hasn't reached that yet.

[Phish Tank]

We just have to be realistic with expectations around here. It's very hard to find franchise players in a draft. There's only a handful in each draft. You can tell whether some players are the case at the outset and others can develop into those talents later on (think Kawhi, Giannis, Paul George, etc.) Even then, not all players can help teams win games (think Wall, Cousins, etc)

From last year's draft, KAT is the only guy who is pretty much a franchise player right now. No one else is close yet. KP and Turner re behind KAT, but need the consistency and strength to get to that next level.

For where we picked, I think KP has exceeded most if not all of his expectations. For a lanky guy like him, we expected him to be a three or four year project at best upon drafting him. Once he came out of the bat last year, expectations went sky high. We have to temper them down a bit.

He may not be that franchise level player, but I think he'll be a pretty serviceable #2 or even a #3 player on any team. Nowadays, a #3 type of player can get paid big bucks. Think Pau Gasol and the likes. If KP has a career similar to Pau Gasol, I'll think that is a success.

We know what KP is capable of doing . The main issues he has right now are:

1) Lack of strength
2) Consistency
3) Tendency to float around and disappear
4) Spotty shot selection due to rushing shots
5) Rebounding
6) Stamina
7) Foul trouble
8) Lack of post game
9) spotty defense

Look, strength is the main thing he needs to work, but that's not easy. He's 7'3. Guys 7'3 are not supposed to be doing what KP is doing. It'll take time for KP to build up strength. It took about 3 years for Giannis to bulk up a bit. It's not easy.

Once he builds up strength, he'll be able to fix most of those weaknesses.

Now the second thing is that he needs to be reminded to be the man. He needs to force his teammates to get him involved and he has to better get himself involved in the offense. That's all on him though.

I don't want to keep on blaming coaches. I'm pretty sure coaches are telling him everything we're telling him. We just need to be patient. I'm pretty sure the Knicks will be as well

[Milk]

WTF?

[el13adnino]

WTF?

Preview to how kp is gonna be holding the chip

[Knicks93]

while you make a decent point about respecting players like pat, patrick ewing was 23 in his first nba season. kp is 21 years old in his second season. even discounting that, their fairly even statistically their first 2 seasons per 36 minutes. as far as that "alpha" talk, I'll wait and see when he has the keys to see whether or not he has what it takes.

Also, despite Ewing's stellar numbers his first four seasons, he didn't really hit superstar status until year 5 (you could say year 4, but his year 5 numbers are astounding). Point being, you need to give players time to improve, and Ewing as I mentioned really took off when he was 27. KP is 21 and he didn't play big time college ball for four seasons as THE guy. He will improve dramatically.

I still don't see their performances as being fairly even. Pat was a beast on both ends. KP has potential to be but hasn't reached that yet.

KP has 3 years until he was the same age was Ewing as a rookie. That was his point. Wait till KP is 24. He will be putting up better numbers than Ewing. Also, if Ewing was playing on the same team as Melo, he wouldn't put up near the stats. Hard to put up stats when you are sitting in a corner off the ball watching melo isolate and brick

[ny-n-md]

Also, despite Ewing's stellar numbers his first four seasons, he didn't really hit superstar status until year 5 (you could say year 4, but his year 5 numbers are astounding). Point being, you need to give players time to improve, and Ewing as I mentioned really took off when he was 27. KP is 21 and he didn't play big time college ball for four seasons as THE guy. He will improve dramatically.

I still don't see their performances as being fairly even. Pat was a beast on both ends. KP has potential to be but hasn't reached that yet.

KP has 3 years until he was the same age was Ewing as a rookie. That was his point. Wait till KP is 24. He will be putting up better numbers than Ewing. Also, if Ewing was playing on the same team as Melo, he wouldn't put up near the stats. Hard to put up stats when you are sitting in a corner off the ball watching melo isolate and brick

And you know this how? This is an example of what mean when I say we need to stop overhyping our players and putting unreal expectations on them. Ewing is an all time great who never played with hall of famers to help him have team success. Some people count that against him in rating him but imo he is the greatest Knick in franchise history. To assume that KP will surpass him is extreme. He has the potential but that potential has to be realized first. Using the age argument is semantics. The league was different then. However you slice it, those are their first two seasons in the NBA.

When Pat was in Georgetown he was a defensive juggernaut. He wasn't known for his offense. He was an absolute monster. One of the most dominant and feared college players of all time. ALL TIME. If you're going by age, KP is still not better than Ewing at the same age. I can't believe I'm having this discussion with Knick fans on a Knick forum.

Just a question, did you watch Ewing play back then?

[Milk]

Will be the top 3 best frontcourts in the league in 3-4 years.

[Knicksfan20]

Ewing was an elite 2 way player. When Porzingis can play Defense at that level, that's when Porzingis can be talked about being better.

Zingis is young and has a long way to go and a lot of room for improvement. Which is a good thing.

[Marty McFly]

Also, despite Ewing's stellar numbers his first four seasons, he didn't really hit superstar status until year 5 (you could say year 4, but his year 5 numbers are astounding). Point being, you need to give players time to improve, and Ewing as I mentioned really took off when he was 27. KP is 21 and he didn't play big time college ball for four seasons as THE guy. He will improve dramatically.

I still don't see their performances as being fairly even. Pat was a beast on both ends. KP has potential to be but hasn't reached that yet.

KP has 3 years until he was the same age was Ewing as a rookie. That was his point. Wait till KP is 24. He will be putting up better numbers than Ewing. Also, if Ewing was playing on the same team as Melo, he wouldn't put up near the stats. Hard to put up stats when you are sitting in a corner off the ball watching melo isolate and brick

if guys don't want to consider that he's younger and putting up relatively similar stats than there really isn't anything to argue about. facts are facts. some people aren't going to let context get in the way of their opinions.

[ny-n-md]

I still don't see their performances as being fairly even. Pat was a beast on both ends. KP has potential to be but hasn't reached that yet.

KP has 3 years until he was the same age was Ewing as a rookie. That was his point. Wait till KP is 24. He will be putting up better numbers than Ewing. Also, if Ewing was playing on the same team as Melo, he wouldn't put up near the stats. Hard to put up stats when you are sitting in a corner off the ball watching melo isolate and brick

if guys don't want to consider that he's younger and putting up relatively similar stats than there really isn't anything to argue about. facts are facts. some people aren't going to let context get in the way of their opinions.

So stats tell the whole story? There's more to evaluating impact players have on the game than stats. I just think it's slighting Patrick Ewing to compare KP as fairly even at the start of their careers. I also think it's setting KP up to fail. I love the kid, but I'm going to let him grow into whatever type of player he will become.

[Marty McFly]

KP has 3 years until he was the same age was Ewing as a rookie. That was his point. Wait till KP is 24. He will be putting up better numbers than Ewing. Also, if Ewing was playing on the same team as Melo, he wouldn't put up near the stats. Hard to put up stats when you are sitting in a corner off the ball watching melo isolate and brick

if guys don't want to consider that he's younger and putting up relatively similar stats than there really isn't anything to argue about. facts are facts. some people aren't going to let context get in the way of their opinions.

So stats tell the whole story? There's more to evaluating impact players have on the game than stats. I just think it's slighting Patrick Ewing to compare KP as fairly even at the start of their careers. I also think it's setting KP up to fail. I love the kid, but I'm going to let him grow into whatever type of player he will become.

you're right, there's more to evaluating a player than just stats. like, for instance, age, which you seem to keep forgetting within the context of this because it goes against whatever argument you're trying to make.

[IllmaticHandler]

Ewing never averaged under 20 and 8 during his first 13 seasons. This is not even counting his shot blocking and steals per game, which are better than KP's. I still hold to the idea that dominant players are usually evident at the lower levels which then translates to the NBA level. KP has never carried a team or been the alpha. This is much harder than it appears. Slow down and respect the greatness of players before dismissing it for the latest newest shiny toy.

To be fair Ewings first and second season he was 23 and 24 years old..

When he was 21, he was averaging 16 & 10 in college.

sooo

Spoiler:

KP > Ewing

Since you are only a Knick Fan cause of KP....Umm No. FOH.