Kristaps Porzingis E:60 Episode Discussion Thread (Sunday @ 9AM EST)

[Carl_Karlson]

KP and Phil just flexing on each other

[HarthorneWingo]

Really worried about KP's brother giving him bad advice. So far, he walk out makes KP look really bad and the fact, he hasn't returned any of the Knicks' calls makes him look even worse.

It's going to be one helluva season.

KP needs a real U.S. based experienced and professional agent. But now if KP is smart enough to make that move, he risks alienating his family. This is why mixing business and family is not a good move.

His agent is Andy Miller:

http://basketball.realgm.com/info/agent-client-list/Andy-Miller/14

Jānis is just a part of that team in my understanding.

Then why did Janis meet with Phil to "clear the air" and not Miller? Maybe Janis is in charge and Miller just handles the contractual stuff.

[HarthorneWingo]

His agent is Andy Miller:

http://basketball.realgm.com/info/agent-client-list/Andy-Miller/14

Jānis is just a part of that team in my understanding.

Too many cooks in that kitchen...

I completely agree. But I find it hard to believe that any major advice by KP's bro would come without Miller accepting it. Miller is Jānis' direct boss at the agency.

And the agency wants to KP to stay with the agency and won't do anything to cause him (and Janis) to want to leave. Get my drift?

[Greenie]

Lavar Small.

Very handsome fella...

[ctorres]

Triangle offense = fundamental basketball; player and ball movement.

It is no different than what the Spurs or the Warriors do.

If a player is complaining about running the triangle offense/motion offense, it is because their field goal attempts are now being distributed amongst their teammates, which they may think will end up costing them money when they become free agents.

The problem isn't the coach or the offense; the problem is the player(s) making the most money not wanting to conform.

Spot on. Not only that, you get more field goal attempts because you get wide open shots. Something Carmelo and a lot of fans do not understand. And the more wide open shots you get, the less you have to work getting back on defense because you just chucked up a badly contested shot that led to a fastbreak for the other team.

We need ball movers not ball stoppers. Carmelo is a ball stopper where everyone ends up standing still.

Absolutely true. The triangle is not the problem. Warriors, Spurs, and other teams run triangle sets. Sadly the NY media has made the triangle such a negative buzz word.

I feel like the Warriors and Spurs run modern, newly-enhanced versions of the triangle, which to me seemed like what Hornacek also wanted to do. Meanwhile, Phil wants to run the elementary version of it.

[Bill Pidto]

Nows your time to get phil fired. Do us proud KP

Behind door #2 is James Dolan, a man now armed with years of pent up drunken rage, all his first round picks and 3 young prospects all begging to be traded for aging veterans all so we can make the playoffs next season without any thought towards the following years or any real championship aspirations.

Fans like you deserve Jim Dolan.

So do fans like you.

Fire Phil

[Battery]

Spot on. Not only that, you get more field goal attempts because you get wide open shots. Something Carmelo and a lot of fans do not understand. And the more wide open shots you get, the less you have to work getting back on defense because you just chucked up a badly contested shot that led to a fastbreak for the other team.

We need ball movers not ball stoppers. Carmelo is a ball stopper where everyone ends up standing still.

Absolutely true. The triangle is not the problem. Warriors, Spurs, and other teams run triangle sets. Sadly the NY media has made the triangle such a negative buzz word.

I feel like the Warriors and Spurs run modern, newly-enhanced versions of the triangle, which to me seemed like what Hornacek also wanted to do. Meanwhile, Phil wants to run the elementary version of it.

No, the difference is the Warriors and Spurs have coachable players dedicated to MOVEMENT and playing off one another. Once our players learn the basics, then it is UP TO THE PLAYERS to read, react and improvise all within the system. Once we get it down pat and have the right type of players, suddenly it won't look "elementary." But I understand where you coming from, however, you just need to give it some time because teams don't become great overnight. it's the same in every sport.

[Sark]

The triangle is actually the more complex version, but let's spin it to fit our agenda.

[Amsterdam]

Absolutely true. The triangle is not the problem. Warriors, Spurs, and other teams run triangle sets. Sadly the NY media has made the triangle such a negative buzz word.

I feel like the Warriors and Spurs run modern, newly-enhanced versions of the triangle, which to me seemed like what Hornacek also wanted to do. Meanwhile, Phil wants to run the elementary version of it.

No, the difference is the Warriors and Spurs have coachable players dedicated to MOVEMENT and playing off one another. Once our players learn the basics, then it is UP TO THE PLAYERS to read, react and improvise all within the system. Once we get it down pat and have the right type of players, suddenly it won't look "elementary." But I understand where you coming from, however, you just need to give it some time because teams don't become great overnight. it's the same in every sport.

True.

Very few players will discuss how Pop would crush player's egos to MAKE them play his system.
Earlt on, Tony Parker was regularly gettng chewed out publically by Pop. Now LA wants to leave the puppet master. But Pops system works and so does Phil's and how old is Pops system again?

[Maury2423]

Anybody know where I can watch it? I missed it this morning

[Battery]

I feel like the Warriors and Spurs run modern, newly-enhanced versions of the triangle, which to me seemed like what Hornacek also wanted to do. Meanwhile, Phil wants to run the elementary version of it.

No, the difference is the Warriors and Spurs have coachable players dedicated to MOVEMENT and playing off one another. Once our players learn the basics, then it is UP TO THE PLAYERS to read, react and improvise all within the system. Once we get it down pat and have the right type of players, suddenly it won't look "elementary." But I understand where you coming from, however, you just need to give it some time because teams don't become great overnight. it's the same in every sport.

True.

Very few players will discuss how Pop would crush player's egos to MAKE them play his system.
Earlt on, Tony Parker was regularly gettng chewed out publically by Pop. Now LA wants to leave the puppet master. But Pops system works and so does Phil's and how old is Pops system again?

Pops system is as old as Larry Brown. And don't forget Tim Duncan who also ripped TP to shreds.

Porzingis and Frank should reach out to Parker for advice.

[Greenie]

Spot on. Not only that, you get more field goal attempts because you get wide open shots. Something Carmelo and a lot of fans do not understand. And the more wide open shots you get, the less you have to work getting back on defense because you just chucked up a badly contested shot that led to a fastbreak for the other team.

We need ball movers not ball stoppers. Carmelo is a ball stopper where everyone ends up standing still.

Absolutely true. The triangle is not the problem. Warriors, Spurs, and other teams run triangle sets. Sadly the NY media has made the triangle such a negative buzz word.

I feel like the Warriors and Spurs run modern, newly-enhanced versions of the triangle, which to me seemed like what Hornacek also wanted to do. Meanwhile, Phil wants to run the elementary version of it.

The funny thing is when BOTH Fisher and Hornecek ran hybrid versions we had more success evident by our winning records up till that point. It was Phil whining about his pure triangle. Remember him frowning at a damn win while Bill was cheering next to him?

FOH Phil!

[Greenie]

Absolutely true. The triangle is not the problem. Warriors, Spurs, and other teams run triangle sets. Sadly the NY media has made the triangle such a negative buzz word.

I feel like the Warriors and Spurs run modern, newly-enhanced versions of the triangle, which to me seemed like what Hornacek also wanted to do. Meanwhile, Phil wants to run the elementary version of it.

No, the difference is the Warriors and Spurs have coachable players dedicated to MOVEMENT and playing off one another. Once our players learn the basics, then it is UP TO THE PLAYERS to read, react and improvise all within the system. Once we get it down pat and have the right type of players, suddenly it won't look "elementary." But I understand where you coming from, however, you just need to give it some time because teams don't become great overnight. it's the same in every sport.

No.

We are the only team hell bent on playing pure triangle.
Those other teams run sets from it, but it's not the main offense.

[Greenie]

I feel like the Warriors and Spurs run modern, newly-enhanced versions of the triangle, which to me seemed like what Hornacek also wanted to do. Meanwhile, Phil wants to run the elementary version of it.

No, the difference is the Warriors and Spurs have coachable players dedicated to MOVEMENT and playing off one another. Once our players learn the basics, then it is UP TO THE PLAYERS to read, react and improvise all within the system. Once we get it down pat and have the right type of players, suddenly it won't look "elementary." But I understand where you coming from, however, you just need to give it some time because teams don't become great overnight. it's the same in every sport.

True.

Very few players will discuss how Pop would crush player's egos to MAKE them play his system.
Earlt on, Tony Parker was regularly gettng chewed out publically by Pop. Now LA wants to leave the puppet master. But Pops system works and so does Phil's and how old is Pops system again?

Pop's system has evolved to fit his talent.

They used to be very post heavy with Duncan. Then they became slash heavy with TP. Now they are iso heavy with Kawhi.

[Greenie]

Half of you don't know the triangle if it hit you in the face. We weren't even running that **** the first half of the season.

[Fat Kat]

Janis probably wants the Marbury posse treatment. Parking spots, access, jobs for the brothers and their friends.

[whocares1]

Absolutely true. The triangle is not the problem. Warriors, Spurs, and other teams run triangle sets. Sadly the NY media has made the triangle such a negative buzz word.

I feel like the Warriors and Spurs run modern, newly-enhanced versions of the triangle, which to me seemed like what Hornacek also wanted to do. Meanwhile, Phil wants to run the elementary version of it.

The funny thing is when BOTH Fisher and Hornecek ran hybrid versions we had more success evident by our winning records up till that point. It was Phil whining about his pure triangle. Remember him frowning at a damn win while Bill was cheering next to him?

FOH Phil!

The Knicks ran Jeff's system for a long time with very little if any triangle. It worked INITIALLY, but then the team collapsed for months. When the team struggled the thought wasn't to go back to the triangle. They continued to run Jeff's system while trying to improve the defense. They didn't start running pure triangle into the last month of the season...which was arguably the best part of the season.

[Sark]

The team won early because they played an easy schedule with many games at home. The wins were all close, and they were getting blown out in losses. Everyone knows that is not sustainable, and they started losing just like it was predicted. It wasn't because of the offense at all either. Their defense is what was their undoing.

[newyorker4ever]

I feel like the Warriors and Spurs run modern, newly-enhanced versions of the triangle, which to me seemed like what Hornacek also wanted to do. Meanwhile, Phil wants to run the elementary version of it.

No, the difference is the Warriors and Spurs have coachable players dedicated to MOVEMENT and playing off one another. Once our players learn the basics, then it is UP TO THE PLAYERS to read, react and improvise all within the system. Once we get it down pat and have the right type of players, suddenly it won't look "elementary." But I understand where you coming from, however, you just need to give it some time because teams don't become great overnight. it's the same in every sport.

True.

Very few players will discuss how Pop would crush player's egos to MAKE them play his system.
Earlt on, Tony Parker was regularly gettng chewed out publically by Pop. Now LA wants to leave the puppet master. But Pops system works and so does Phil's and how old is Pops system again?

Unfortunately we don't have a coach that can yell at veteran players and get away with it the way Pop can with them still listening to him and learning and playing the way he wants them to.

[Greenie]

I feel like the Warriors and Spurs run modern, newly-enhanced versions of the triangle, which to me seemed like what Hornacek also wanted to do. Meanwhile, Phil wants to run the elementary version of it.

The funny thing is when BOTH Fisher and Hornecek ran hybrid versions we had more success evident by our winning records up till that point. It was Phil whining about his pure triangle. Remember him frowning at a damn win while Bill was cheering next to him?

FOH Phil!

The Knicks ran Jeff's system for a long time with very little if any triangle. It worked INITIALLY, but then the team collapsed for months. When the team struggled the thought wasn't to go back to the triangle. They continued to run Jeff's system while trying to improve the defense. They didn't start running pure triangle into the last month of the season...which was arguably the best part of the season.

No it wasn't...

The best part of the season was the beginning. We were a decent little squad.