Me7o Thread: Hoodie edition

[Greenie]

Ball Sharing. Create offense through strong defense. Stick with the system even when it gets tough. Leading by example through maximum effort. To take his game to the next level. Buy into the system and sell teammates into the system. That's what was asked of him by Phil. Phil was outspoken in those expectations from jump. Believe it or not I got love for Melo too. I expected more of him because I believe he had it in him. One of the reasons Phil took the job was that he thought he could take his game to that next level.

Ben Wallace didn't lack the will to play offense. He lacked the talent.

I don't think we have ever had enough to win with him. 2013 was just a small sample of what it could have been like if we did.

SHARE WITH WHO!
People love saying this but forget the damn rosters we placed together. The second best player here with Melo was Tyson Chandler. Stop saying share. There was no one to share with!

There's always players to share with when the alternative is taking long two point shots(the worst shot a player can take). Efficiency wins. Stupid shooting, which Melo has made a career of, loses. I dont care about the teammates thing. Take less stupid shots.

Someone is going to take the shot. Who did you want taking these shots? Jose? Iman? Lance? Who?

All decent shooters still shot. Go ask Rose, JR and KP. He doesn't stop people from shooting. So you want him to give up shots so thesr other dudes can throw up their crap instead? I rather have the best scorer throw it up.

[Obi-One]

If he didn't have a 5th year on his deal, the buyout would've happened already. The front office doesn't want 27 mil on our cap next offseason when he can just opt out at the end of the year.

[battabing10]

My man look at our record with Melo and then without him. Drastic difference. He def makes the team better.

Except lineups don't gel in 10 game spurts..

Excuses

If melo hadn't forced his way to the knicks with the aide of that bumbling moron dolan, and come as a free agent instead, his team's record would be similar to the others listed. They're apples and he's an orange. You can have facts but without the proper context they misrepresent reality.

You want a fact that hurts?: the melo era was doomed from the outset.

From howard beck in 2014:

“I knew we took a step backwards as an organization for me to get here,” Anthony acknowledged in December interview with NBA TV's Ahmad Rashad. “So we had to rebuild.”

The honesty was laudable, but rebuilding was never the goal. The Knicks wanted a superstar to lead them to glory, immediately. They are no closer to a championship today than they were on Feb. 22, 2011, the day of the trade.

So, even then melo admitted *he* created a rebuild even as he was brought here by dolan ("the knicks") with the aim to put azzes in seats and the expectation of getting into immediate contention.

[3toheadmelo]

still don't get why battabing keeps quoting me when he knows i can't and won't read his posts lol

[blueNorange]

Meh... I thought he performed well enough IMO....

I mean for me we got what we expected. A scoring machine. We just failed to build around him like every team should for their franchise player.

Everyone was expecting us to be the team to challenge the Heat when we got him. We did the complete opposite

We placed the worst fits/talent/coaching around him.

melo isnt a scoring machine though.

Ok

i know it's hard to explain something that isn't true at all.

does melo have a lot of ways to score? yes

is he a scoring machine? lol no

[Adelheid]

melo isnt a scoring machine though.

Ok

i know it's hard to explain something that isn't true at all.

does melo have a lot of ways to score? yes

is he a scoring machine? lol no

You could have made it a bit more simplified for others to understand...

[3toheadmelo]

melo isnt a scoring machine though.

Ok

i know it's hard to explain something that isn't true at all.

does melo have a lot of ways to score? yes

is he a scoring machine? lol no

now? no
in his prime? absolutely.
he was a scoring machine WHEN we got him. and we failed to build around him in his prime. just wasted.

he's still an elite scorer though. and don't come back to me with that TS bs.

[3toheadmelo]

he STILL gets buckets.

Watch on YouTube

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people also never mention that he broke the record for most points in a quarter by a KNICK

Watch on YouTube

[blueNorange]

Ok

i know it's hard to explain something that isn't true at all.

does melo have a lot of ways to score? yes

is he a scoring machine? lol no

now? no
in his prime? absolutely.
he was a scoring machine WHEN we got him. and we failed to build around him in his prime. just wasted.

he's still an elite scorer though. and don't come back to me with that TS bs.

but you're wrong though, outside of a couple elite seasons melo was never a scoring machine.

[blueNorange]

he STILL gets buckets.

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

people also never mention that he broke the record for most points in a quarter by a KNICK

Watch on YouTube

lol highlight videos doesn't erase his low efficiency.

[blueNorange]

melo still gets buckets, but at a low efficient rate which hurts the team.

[battabing10]

still don't get why battabing keeps quoting me when he knows i can't and won't read his posts lol

[3toheadmelo]

i know it's hard to explain something that isn't true at all.

does melo have a lot of ways to score? yes

is he a scoring machine? lol no

now? no
in his prime? absolutely.
he was a scoring machine WHEN we got him. and we failed to build around him in his prime. just wasted.

he's still an elite scorer though. and don't come back to me with that TS bs.

but you're wrong though, outside of a couple elite seasons melo was never a scoring machine.

[3toheadmelo]

melo still gets buckets, but at a low efficient rate which hurts the team.

i guess Kobe, AI, T-Mac, Westbrook, IT, etc all hurt their team as well.

just pull out the TS stat at this point. we know where this is headed

[Bill Pidto]

How about, the truth is somewhere in the middle, as usual.

Melo has and always has had serious flaws when compared to other marquee players worth trading those types of assets for and paying that kind of money to.

AND

The Knicks did a pretty bum ass job of building a team throughout the process. Even before Melo arrived, the team refused to rebuild and rolled the dice on Amar'e which would have become a failure with or without Melo.. if the goal is really to win a title.

Anyway... at least the Knicks are finally trying to do the right things as an organization and commit to a youth movement. Meanwhile, Melo remains on the team with a NTC (which, yes, the Knicks org. stupidly gave him), yet he has yet to shed many of those selfish tendencies he's played with his entire career, all while becoming much less effective at what he was good/great at.

Bottom line- Knicks fans have every right to want this guy off the team, and whether it's right or wrong, you'd have to say it was expected Knicks fans would get tired of Melo and the NTC holdout in no time at all. So why waste all of this energy trying to fight it?

See.. I do totally understand and sympathize with the general approach of: "these athletes are human, be realistic and give them the benefit of the doubt" (I have always been that type of fan and my post history dating far back would prove that many times over). But since forever ago, I've seen so many of the same posters here who vehemently defend Melo on a weirdly consistent basis, rip other players/coaches/career NBA people to shreds while I sat here and tried to be the same voice of reason, defending the players for being human and being businessmen. And what was I told?

I was told that this is what fans do. That this is what the forums are all about. And that if I didn't like it, I could go kick rocks. And now those same people, for some reason, are telling other Knicks fans to remove all emotions and Knicks fanhood from the Melo equation and pat the guy on the back for all the all-star games he's made, as he holds firm to what was basically a trade request to HOU, but refuses to leave the Knicks otherwise, while we all anxiously anticipate this rebuild we've basically been promised.

So with that being the case, how can some of you wackos still be sitting here on this site, crying on and on about the unfair treatment of Melo? Lol. This is bizarro land. It's like you've been hypnotized and programmed to fight a crusade for Melo that Melo himself couldn't give 2 sh*ts about. How about.. snap the f*ck out of your trance and remember what this forum is all about...

Remember who and what we're rooting for here.

Thank you.

[PornDoc]

he STILL gets buckets.

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

people also never mention that he broke the record for most points in a quarter by a KNICK

Watch on YouTube

He's one of the best scorers in the history of the game.

[Besart19]

he STILL gets buckets.

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

people also never mention that he broke the record for most points in a quarter by a KNICK

Watch on YouTube

He's one of the best scorers in the history of the game.

#25 in all-time scorinf list

[Worst_to_First]

he STILL gets buckets.

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

people also never mention that he broke the record for most points in a quarter by a KNICK

Watch on YouTube

He's one of the best scorers in the history of the game.

#25 in all-time scorinf list

Should have been higher if he had more playoff games.

[vallen]

How about, the truth is somewhere in the middle, as usual.

Melo has and always has had serious flaws when compared to other marquee players worth trading those types of assets for and paying that kind of money to.

AND

The Knicks did a pretty bum ass job of building a team throughout the process. Even before Melo arrived, the team refused to rebuild and rolled the dice on Amar'e which would have become a failure with or without Melo.. if the goal is really to win a title.

Anyway... at least the Knicks are finally trying to do the right things as an organization and commit to a youth movement. Meanwhile, Melo remains on the team with a NTC (which, yes, the Knicks org. stupidly gave him), yet he has yet to shed many of those selfish tendencies he's played with his entire career, all while becoming much less effective at what he was good/great at.

Bottom line- Knicks fans have every right to want this guy off the team, and whether it's right or wrong, you'd have to say it was expected Knicks fans would get tired of Melo and the NTC holdout in no time at all. So why waste all of this energy trying to fight it?

See.. I do totally understand and sympathize with the general approach of: "these athletes are human, be realistic and give them the benefit of the doubt" (I have always been that type of fan and my post history dating far back would prove that many times over). But since forever ago, I've seen so many of the same posters here who vehemently defend Melo on a weirdly consistent basis, rip other players/coaches/career NBA people to shreds while I sat here and tried to be the same voice of reason, defending the players for being human and being businessmen. And what was I told?

I was told that this is what fans do. That this is what the forums are all about. And that if I didn't like it, I could go kick rocks. And now those same people, for some reason, are telling other Knicks fans to remove all emotions and Knicks fanhood from the Melo equation and pat the guy on the back for all the all-star games he's made, as he holds firm to what was basically a trade request to HOU, but refuses to leave the Knicks otherwise, while we all anxiously anticipate this rebuild we've basically been promised.

So with that being the case, how can some of you wackos still be sitting here on this site, crying on and on about the unfair treatment of Melo? Lol. This is bizarro land. It's like you've been hypnotized and programmed to fight a crusade for Melo that Melo himself couldn't give 2 sh*ts about. How about.. snap the f*ck out of your trance and remember what this forum is all about...

Remember who and what we're rooting for here.

Thank you.

nice post. but some of these guys werent here pre-melo, and probly wont be here post-melo. so that is their crusade, and what this forum is all about for them.

[vallen]

People giving melo a pass for not being a team player because he didn't have a bonafide all star..his refusal to pass, breaking plays and unwillingness to play defense should not be contingent upon whose next to you...
people forget what Hornys 13-14 playoffs Suns team consisted of...they made the playoffs without all star talent because players bought in ...

Melo is what everyone has said he is an unyielding selfish me first play layer who will never win

Kobe was everything melo was with a real team around him

In equal situations they aren't far apart

Which I know is blasphemy but whatever

Minus 12 all NBA defensive teams and plus 10 percent body fat..but yeah identical