College/Draft Thread Part 5 - NCAA Tournament Edition - Knicks #1 Baby!!!

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I’ll trust a guy like Morant to fix his jumpshot mechanics like Fox did because he clearly has an elite work ethic.

Fox didnt really do anything to his mechanics though. His only slight change was he used to bring the ball back to far and doesnt do that anymore

Even for ja the mechanics arent bad he's just currently not a reliable shooter from outside. I think he can be one in time though if he actually focuses on that area of his game and puts up the reps for it.

[SmoothLefty21]

Love or hate Ja Morant but he is increasing the value of the #2 pick.

agreed

Im not sure how his game will translate the the NBA where he's going to have to make shots and defend but he's dominating without shooting, and thats impressive in itself

a tripple double with what, 8 shot attempts?

How could his game not translate to the NBA? Murray State's entire offense is running a high PnR for Morant if they don't get something in transition. It doesn't get more NBA than that. If you can maneuver in the PnR game like he can, with the vision he has plus his athleticism, I think his ceiling is pretty high. Look at how he handled the various PnR defenses Marquette threw at him: they hard trapped, soft trapped, iced, etc. and he stayed patient and made the right read a majority of the time. Compare that to DSJ, who gets bottled up or confused by nearly every good defensive PnR team. There's a reason DSJ is in like the 40th percentile for PnR ballhandlers. Ja has a patience, finesse, and craftiness to his game that someone like DSJ doesn't have.

So many young PG's had question marks about their shot coming out: Sexton, SGA, Lonzo, Fultz, Fox, Frank, DSJ, Simmons, Dunn. That's just the last three drafts. None of those guys ran a PnR or had Ja's vision in college. Ja's form is good enough. He shoots 80%+ from the stripe. I'm not that worried about it.

Defense is a concern, no argument there.

[HarthorneWingo]

I may have been wrong about morant....

Don't give up your position so quickly.

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[SmoothLefty21]

The difference in my opinion is the type of jumpers

Zion's only gonna have to shoot off the catch, he's not really gonna have to create his own 3 pointer

But your primary ball handler has to be able to hit shots off the dribble, which I'd say is a harder skill to develop than catch and shoot jumpers

Ja's high risk, not much higher reward

not much higher reward, compared to who? Garland or RJ?

Garland, RJ, and in my opinion Culver and Hunter

That's my big problem with this draft is nobody really looks like a future star to me

All those guys I listed plus a few more have about equal chance to be really good players, so I'd rather take the guy I see as having a lower bust potential, especially cause we already have a guy who has a good chance to be a really good player at PG in DSJ and we're targeting Kyrie

I'm just against taking a PG unless he's an absolute stud, which I don't see in Ja.

What is that you see in Garland? I don't mean that in a snarky way; there isn't much tape on him. He seems like a 6'3" scoring PG who can stroke it isn't a good playmaker. Short wing span. How's his defense supposed to be? Guessing it's not great.

[drekwins]

Idk what ppl keep saying he can’t shoot he was making harden stepback 3s this game and you can work on shooting

no he made (one) james harden stepback 3 lol thats not enough for me. he will be forced to put up more jumpers at the next level and prove to be a respectable shooter.

He's a driver that can make plays at this point which is fine because hes really good at it but he still needs to develop his perimeter game.

understand that he typically shoots more outside shots. He was getting double and triple teamed. Marquette was throwing guys at him and he made the right plays. Very impressive.

[Fat]

i cant see the knicks going after another pg though. if we have the 2nd pick and the suns have the 3rd pick or something and want ja badly i could see the knicks doing a swap with the suns for the 3rd and take RJ + a future pick

just my 2 cent

[blueNorange]

when will people learn to avoid players with a hitch in their jumpshot.

it rarely works out.

[drekwins]

not much higher reward, compared to who? Garland or RJ?

Garland, RJ, and in my opinion Culver and Hunter

That's my big problem with this draft is nobody really looks like a future star to me

All those guys I listed plus a few more have about equal chance to be really good players, so I'd rather take the guy I see as having a lower bust potential, especially cause we already have a guy who has a good chance to be a really good player at PG in DSJ and we're targeting Kyrie

I'm just against taking a PG unless he's an absolute stud, which I don't see in Ja.

What is that you see in Garland? I don't mean that in a snarky way; there isn't much tape on him. He seems like a 6'3" scoring PG who can stroke it isn't a good playmaker. Short wing span. How's his defense supposed to be? Guessing it's not great.

His handle is elite.. like Kyrie elite. Incredibly tight. Second, his shooting efficiency is also elite... like Kyrie elite. He hasn't shown anything else yet but thats a great start. He's going to be able to efficiently score and can play the 1 or 2. His passing ability is a question but I have zero doubt that he'll be a shooter on par with Kyrie or Lillard. He can also play off the ball. If he can't create for others well, he's Lou Williams. If he can, he's a star.

[islanders11040]

i cant see the knicks going after another pg though. if we have the 2nd pick and the suns have the 3rd pick or something and want ja badly i could see the knicks doing a swap with the suns for the 3rd and take RJ + a future pick

just my 2 cent

If we get the 2nd pick, lets make it a bidding war between the Bulls and Suns to trade for our pick

[Jay10]

when will people learn to avoid players with a hitch in their jumpshot.

it rarely works out.

I wanted to post the exact thing, but decided to leave it alone.

It seems like when it comes to the Knick every point guard has to have a hitch in their jump shot.

Ja Morant shoots like Austin Rivers.

Who was the last point guard to have a normal shooting form?

[DOT]

not much higher reward, compared to who? Garland or RJ?

Garland, RJ, and in my opinion Culver and Hunter

That's my big problem with this draft is nobody really looks like a future star to me

All those guys I listed plus a few more have about equal chance to be really good players, so I'd rather take the guy I see as having a lower bust potential, especially cause we already have a guy who has a good chance to be a really good player at PG in DSJ and we're targeting Kyrie

I'm just against taking a PG unless he's an absolute stud, which I don't see in Ja.

What is that you see in Garland? I don't mean that in a snarky way; there isn't much tape on him. He seems like a 6'3" scoring PG who can stroke it isn't a good playmaker. Short wing span. How's his defense supposed to be? Guessing it's not great.

I think it's a stretch to say he isn't a good playmaker

Ja is much better in that regard obviously, but I think Garland's playmaking is getting underrated cause of the small sample size. He plays a full season, probably gets up to at least 5, 6 per game

His defense is okay. Nothing great, but better than Ja by a sight

The main thing I see in him over Ja is the ability to score from anywhere. His finishing's as good as Ja, and he's a legitimate threat to pull up from mid or 3, meaning he should have an easier time transitioning his game than Ja cause Ja can't punish the other team for going under screens or packing the paint yet.

But I'm definitely not taking Garland either

[HerSports85]

Smh free agency needs to start when the draft does

[awy]

garland’s playmaking from AAU is supposedly not good according to mike gribanov. mucch bigger sample size but earlier in development

[Worst_to_First]

Gonzaga showing no mercy against FDU. Up 53-17 at the half.

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Gonzaga showing no mercy against FDU. Up 53-17 at the half.

im watching kentucky how is hachimura playing?

[3toheadmelo]

Gonzaga showing no mercy against FDU. Up 53-17 at the half.

How is Hachimura looking? He’s someone I’m willing to trade down for. He has major upside imo

[HEZI]

I’ll trust a guy like Morant to fix his jumpshot mechanics like Fox did because he clearly has an elite work ethic.

Fox didnt really do anything to his mechanics though. His only slight change was he used to bring the ball back to far and doesnt do that anymore

Even for ja the mechanics arent bad he's just currently not a reliable shooter from outside. I think he can be one in time though if he actually focuses on that area of his game and puts up the reps for it.

Not to mention his speed is nowhere near Fox. Fox was and still is a blur except now hes learned to change gears and control pace better but in Kentucky he was lightning quick. Don't see that with Ja so another thing to watch for is his ability to consistently break down the defense on the next level.

[Worst_to_First]

Just box score watching but Rui playing well. 14pts 6rebs at the half.

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