OT: Democratic Primary Thread

[Clyde_Style]

Great. Just great.

We have to take back Congress or we are boned

Yes, I don't see how anyone could argue against the necessity to unify behind the ticket for this reason alone.

This has been McConnell's prime agenda during this term and they have packed the courts with MAGA loyalists.

Another term of this and all the good dreams in the world will never have a chance to materialize if you have the appeals courts stacked with the intention to block any kind of progressive initiatives. It's a nightmare. People need to stop bickering and wake up.

Amy McGrath is getting a ton of funding & her taking out Mitch would be a big blow to the GOP.

Not sure Harrison can take out Lindsey

Mitch is vulnerable. McGrath has a great persona to run with. Would be a dream to bounce him and Graham (who became the most bizarre Trump succubus imaginable; pretty clear the GOP frames its own people with komprommat to keep them in line).

[BKlutch]

I don't see it. The Democratic voting base is fractured. I see/hear Bernie vs Biden arguments everywhere. Then I see people on the must beat Trump train...trying to convince the BvB crowd to stick together no matter what.

The DNC has done too many shady things...for all to see...that have damaged the confidence of its base. These last 2 election cycles have shown this.

I don't see a clear path to victory and...Bernie will get the younger voters from what I see. Biden will get the Shillary vote...and...that didn't work last time.

I'm not sure why people are convinced he can win.

The shady DNC and all those kinds of opinions has squat to do with the outcome. You're projecting your feelings on to the electoral map and that has nothing to do with the political reality we are dealing with right now. If you were able to look at the scenario without all of this resentment and recrimination you'd see the odds for a Democratic landslide are growing daily now.

I'm sorry but...I presented facts and scenarios that I have witnessed personally. You have not given a single reason for your feelings. Biden is not going to unify the dem voting base any more than Shillary did. That's my opinion. I have given the basis of what formed that opinion.

What makes you think Biden is a lock?

We saw this in the last election. At this time, all Americans ask that you reveal your ties to Russian troll factories trying to elect 'Trump.

All real and patriotic Americans thank you.

[BKlutch]

I'm sorry but...I presented facts and scenarios that I have witnessed personally. You have not given a single reason for your feelings. Biden is not going to unify the dem voting base any more than Shillary did. That's my opinion. I have given the basis of what formed that opinion.

What makes you think Biden is a lock?

Your feelings are not facts.

And as far as sticking together, I made it very clear I'd vote for Bernie if he were the nominee and far more people are like me, not you.

Fact...there is a divide in the dem voting base.

Fact...Joe Biden is a flip flopping azzhole.

Fact...the DNC has shown that it rigs primaries...and nominations.

Fact...you have done nothing more than use your feelings as fact.

Seriously...Amy Klobuchar is the key to the WH?

I hadn't read this post when I replied, semi-facetiously, to your previous one.

Given this, it seems that you're more interested in re-electing Trump than in anything else. I know you didn't just pop up online here for this election, but now I'm concerned about what is influencing you to write this.

[DOT]

I like how the fact that more Biden voters would vote for Bernie than Bernie supporters would vote for Biden is used to promote Biden

Really just an argument for Bernie. He brings in people who wouldn't normally vote blue

The issue with Biden in the general is, he doesn't have a core message of "vote for me, and I'll do this." His core message is "I'm not Trump"

Which just means all the GOP has to do is convince enough people that there's really not that much difference between the two to get them to not vote. It's not about convincing them to vote for Trump, it's about convincing them to just not vote. Which means all you're gonna hear is Hunter Biden/Burisma for the next 8 months (despite having no factual basis), because that's gonna convince people "Trump's corrupt, Biden's corrupt, they're all corrupt" and then they stay home. Then sprinkle in some stuff about Biden cutting Social Security, plus the fact that just like 2016 people are gonna think "well Biden's got it, no need for me to vote" cause all they've been hearing from the Dems is how Biden's absolutely gonna beat Trump, and it's close enough that Trump might win

If you think people are smarter than that, you really don't understand America. My grandfather thinks exactly like this, he thinks they're all corrupt and there's no difference, so he's not voting. And he is indicative of more of America than you think, especially in the Rust Belt/swing states

With how the virus is destroying the economy, it should be a layup for whoever gets the Dem nod. But I just don't think Biden's as sure a bet as the moderates have been pushing, especially when they admit most of his support will vote for anyone not Trump

And then, unless we actually enact change, we're looking at another Republican president in 4-8 years and we start the cycle all over again.

[3toheadmelo]

In other words, far more people would vote for Bernie than for Biden. Checkmate.

That makes zero sense. And what's with this childish checkmate rubbish? Just when I thought you had reached peak irrationality you say something like this. I'll resume talking politics with you when you decide to grow up.

You've been calling Bernie supporters all kinds of names throughout this thread. Did I call you a name? Did I refer to you as "toxic"? Not at all.

Stop being so jumpy.

Whenever Clyde disagrees with you on a topic, he resorts to name calling and personal attacks. It is why I just ignore him every time he quotes me.

[Clyde_Style]

Whenever Clyde disagrees with you on a topic, he resorts to name calling and personal attacks. It is why I just ignore him every time he quotes me.

[Kampuchea]

That makes zero sense. And what's with this childish checkmate rubbish? Just when I thought you had reached peak irrationality you say something like this. I'll resume talking politics with you when you decide to grow up.

You've been calling Bernie supporters all kinds of names throughout this thread. Did I call you a name? Did I refer to you as "toxic"? Not at all.

Stop being so jumpy.

Whenever Clyde disagrees with you on a topic, he resorts to name calling and personal attacks. It is why I just ignore him every time he quotes me.

[GONYK]

How many Biden voters would vote for Bernie is kind of meaningless if there aren't enough votes for Bernie in the first place.

That is the crucial fault here. Yes, Biden voters are open to Bernie, but they are less open to him than Biden and Biden is the other guy in the race.

It's like people saying that they would be open to cheering for the Nets if the Knicks didn't exist

The reasons for this are nuanced, but the reality is inescapable.

If it was Bernie vs anyone else, it would be a different story, but not enough Bernie supporters exist or showed up at the polls to make that happen.

Even when Bernie was the frontrunner, he wasn't poised to get the majority threshold. We were set to head into a brokered convention.

I would love to see any evidence that Bernie gained more support as people dropped out. It seems like the he was always going to be in the minority once the field winnowed.

[HarthorneWingo]

How many Biden voters would vote for Bernie is kind of meaningless if there aren't enough votes for Bernie in the first place.

That is the crucial fault here. Yes, Biden voters are open to Bernie, but they are less open to him than Biden and Biden is the other guy in the race.

It's like people saying that they would be open to cheering for the Nets if the Knicks didn't exist

The reasons for this are nuanced, but the reality is inescapable.

If it was Bernie vs anyone else, it would be a different story, but not enough Bernie supporters exist or showed up at the polls to make that happen.

It'll be very interesting to see their respective economic stimulus packages. We already know who Biden chose to bail out the last time. He chose Wall Street over Main Street. So why would we want Biden to oversee it this time?

Warren has just released her "grassroots" proposal. Not bad.

Read on Twitter

[GONYK]

How many Biden voters would vote for Bernie is kind of meaningless if there aren't enough votes for Bernie in the first place.

That is the crucial fault here. Yes, Biden voters are open to Bernie, but they are less open to him than Biden and Biden is the other guy in the race.

It's like people saying that they would be open to cheering for the Nets if the Knicks didn't exist

The reasons for this are nuanced, but the reality is inescapable.

If it was Bernie vs anyone else, it would be a different story, but not enough Bernie supporters exist or showed up at the polls to make that happen.

It'll be very interesting to hear their respective economic stimulus packages. We already know who Biden chose to bail out the last time. He chose Wall Street over Main Street. So why would we want Biden to oversee it this time?

Do you think their respective stances on that will change the state of the race?

[HarthorneWingo]

How many Biden voters would vote for Bernie is kind of meaningless if there aren't enough votes for Bernie in the first place.

That is the crucial fault here. Yes, Biden voters are open to Bernie, but they are less open to him than Biden and Biden is the other guy in the race.

It's like people saying that they would be open to cheering for the Nets if the Knicks didn't exist

The reasons for this are nuanced, but the reality is inescapable.

If it was Bernie vs anyone else, it would be a different story, but not enough Bernie supporters exist or showed up at the polls to make that happen.

It'll be very interesting to hear their respective economic stimulus packages. We already know who Biden chose to bail out the last time. He chose Wall Street over Main Street. So why would we want Biden to oversee it this time?

Do you think their respective stances on that will change the state of the race?

I have no faith in the American voter and leave it at that.

[Clyde_Style]

How many Biden voters would vote for Bernie is kind of meaningless if there aren't enough votes for Bernie in the first place.

That is the crucial fault here. Yes, Biden voters are open to Bernie, but they are less open to him than Biden and Biden is the other guy in the race.

It's like people saying that they would be open to cheering for the Nets if the Knicks didn't exist

The reasons for this are nuanced, but the reality is inescapable.

If it was Bernie vs anyone else, it would be a different story, but not enough Bernie supporters exist or showed up at the polls to make that happen.

Even when Bernie was the frontrunner, he wasn't poised to get the majority threshold. We were set to head into a brokered convention.

I would love to see any evidence that Bernie gained more support as people dropped out. It seems like the he was always going to be in the minority once the field winnowed.

Yes. Not sure why this needs to be explained, but thanks for doing so. Lots of voters considered moderate that would be considered swing voters are more likely to vote for Biden. I don't think Bernie supporters have a real appreciation of the ongoing antipathy towards the word socialism in America.

I'd like to see democratic socialism myself, but not outright socialism that nationalizes many industries. Most Americans do not want that version of socialism either.

At this point most voters who are up for grabs don't really know much more than that Bernie is a "socialist" and that's enough to scare them off. Most of those swing voters will never give Bernie the time of day. They will consider Biden over Trump.

That democrats would support whomever is the nominee is NOT THE POINT, but whom the fence sitters would vote for.

[El Poochio]

#FeelTheBern

[El Poochio]

Ofc America will vote for Trump and then pædo

[Clyde_Style]

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[Clyde_Style]

I said I would not be surprised if Biden won the non-Florida states by 15-20%. If these exit polls hold up then 30% margins is a massive win.

You have to win Florida to win in November. I think a 50% margin should convince everyone Florida is more likely to support Biden in the general election.

Whatever the exact number is, the race to win the nomination IS OVER already

[Clyde_Style]

[Jalen Bluntson]

Your feelings are not facts.

And as far as sticking together, I made it very clear I'd vote for Bernie if he were the nominee and far more people are like me, not you.

Fact...there is a divide in the dem voting base.

Fact...Joe Biden is a flip flopping azzhole.

Fact...the DNC has shown that it rigs primaries...and nominations.

Fact...you have done nothing more than use your feelings as fact.

Seriously...Amy Klobuchar is the key to the WH?

I hadn't read this post when I replied, semi-facetiously, to your previous one.

Given this, it seems that you're more interested in re-electing Trump than in anything else. I know you didn't just pop up online here for this election, but now I'm concerned about what is influencing you to write this.

Ummm...take off the foil hat. I'm just speaking on what I see. I was down with Bernie and Ron Paul years ago when they were trying to audit the Fed. I was down with Bernie last election. I'm not 100% down with everything but...getting the money out of politics is huge. Biden is a part of that problem...period. I can't see him being a lock to beat the Orangetan Republic. He's a blatant liar and a proven azzhole. If he can win...I guess that's better than 4 more years of the slug in office right now. I just don't see it.

[Clyde_Style]

Fact...there is a divide in the dem voting base.

Fact...Joe Biden is a flip flopping azzhole.

Fact...the DNC has shown that it rigs primaries...and nominations.

Fact...you have done nothing more than use your feelings as fact.

Seriously...Amy Klobuchar is the key to the WH?

I hadn't read this post when I replied, semi-facetiously, to your previous one.

Given this, it seems that you're more interested in re-electing Trump than in anything else. I know you didn't just pop up online here for this election, but now I'm concerned about what is influencing you to write this.

Ummm...take off the foil hat. I'm just speaking on what I see. I was down with Bernie and Ron Paul years ago when they were trying to audit the Fed. I was down with Bernie last election. I'm not 100% down with everything but...getting the money out of politics is huge. Biden is a part of that problem...period. I can't see him being a lock to beat the Orangetan Republic. He's a blatant liar and a proven azzhole. If he can win...I guess that's better than 4 more years of the slug in office right now. I just don't see it.

Biden said in the debate he would support publicly funded elections. That settles that objection.

And it is just as important how campaigns spend their money, not just how they are funded. On that point, Sanders may end up being far more under the microscope than anybody else.

All anyone has to do is google Old Towne Media LLC and you'll see the right wing media is sitting on their version of the smear campaign that could take Bernie down if there is ever full disclosure on why his wife's friends got $10M for being their media buyers. Yep, just like Parscale got rich buying media for Trump, Sanders cronies got rich running media ads for Bernie. I don't like the people reporting this stuff, but it seems like a valid inquiry into shady money handling.

So before you have another tantrum, stop and think about how vulnerable every candidate is. You think Joe is corrupt? I doubt you've really ever dug deep into Bernie's history in order to know the difference.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I hadn't read this post when I replied, semi-facetiously, to your previous one.

Given this, it seems that you're more interested in re-electing Trump than in anything else. I know you didn't just pop up online here for this election, but now I'm concerned about what is influencing you to write this.

Ummm...take off the foil hat. I'm just speaking on what I see. I was down with Bernie and Ron Paul years ago when they were trying to audit the Fed. I was down with Bernie last election. I'm not 100% down with everything but...getting the money out of politics is huge. Biden is a part of that problem...period. I can't see him being a lock to beat the Orangetan Republic. He's a blatant liar and a proven azzhole. If he can win...I guess that's better than 4 more years of the slug in office right now. I just don't see it.

Biden said in the debate he would support publicly funded elections. That settles that objection.

And it is just as important how campaigns spend their money, not just how they are funded. On that point, Sanders may end up being far more under the microscope than anybody else.

All anyone has to do is google Old Towne Media LLC and you'll see the right wing media is sitting on their version of the smear campaign that could take Bernie down if there is ever full disclosure on why his wife's friends got $10M for being their media buyers. Yep, just like Parscale got rich buying media for Trump, Sanders cronies got rich running media ads for Bernie. I don't like the people reporting this stuff, but it seems like a valid inquiry into shady money handling.

So before you have another tantrum, stop and think about how vulnerable every candidate is. You think Joe is corrupt? I doubt you've really ever dug deep into Bernie's history in order to know the difference.

Dude...enough with your snide comments. I'm trying to have a conversation. No one is having tantrums or whatever other bullshyt you've said. I'm not aware of this media thing you're mentioning but...I know there's dirt on Bernie.

Biden is not a lock. Trump has a much more unified base and the last 3 years of dem attacks it has only strengthened that base. They're like a cult!

If Biden can pull it off...cool. I don't see it right now and... you haven't said a damn thing to show other wise. Not sure why you feel the need to condescemd. I'm done with this conversation.