Thoughts on aggressive pursuit of Fred Van Vleet & Joe Harris/Davis Bertans

[Zenzibar]

This!.100%.

The new lottery reform does nothing for losers, we know this first hand. Let's get to keeping our picks, drafting wisely, development and signing quality young players to compliment them.

how ? the team with the worst record got pick 2 and the team with the 3rd worst record got the 1st pick. only 1 team in the top 3 moved back. we just didn't tank enough. as usual.

This. Most teams that tanked still got what they wanted.

That is so true! Just like we got Zion or Morant last year, that's right. Stupid me,what was I thinking?

[HerSports85]

I don't know, Vanvleet going to be pretty hard to pass up if he wants to come here.

[god shammgod]

say you get van vleet for 25 per. and say you now, with some of mitch & rj's improvement, reach 38 wins. which is a best case scenario. now what ? sign giannis. what if he says no ? what if ad says no and kawhi says no ? sign demarr ? you're not getting any good pick at 38 wins. so what is the plan beyond making a 1 year improvement ? what is the plan to actually become a contender ? the thing to accept is that nobody is coming to save this franchise most likely. and they certainly aren't coming alone. people bring up the nets and that they attracted durant & kyrie but they also had the cap space to do so. fred van vleet at 25 per on a long contract might become hard to move. so you've messed up the cap space. you've messed up our ability to get good picks. we would be in a worse position than now.

[god shammgod]

how ? the team with the worst record got pick 2 and the team with the 3rd worst record got the 1st pick. only 1 team in the top 3 moved back. we just didn't tank enough. as usual.

This. Most teams that tanked still got what they wanted.

That is so true! Just like we got Zion or Morant last year, that's right. Stupid me,what was I thinking?

you're not guaranteed it working out because you did it 1 year. you have to do it for a few.

[robillionaire]

how ? the team with the worst record got pick 2 and the team with the 3rd worst record got the 1st pick. only 1 team in the top 3 moved back. we just didn't tank enough. as usual.

This. Most teams that tanked still got what they wanted.

That is so true! Just like we got Zion or Morant last year, that's right. Stupid me,what was I thinking?

yeah, we got the 3rd pick, would love to have that again in this draft and in the next one. I'm glad we have RJ instead of whoever we would have picked at 8th or 9th.

[GONYK]

This. Most teams that tanked still got what they wanted.

That is so true! Just like we got Zion or Morant last year, that's right. Stupid me,what was I thinking?

you're not guaranteed it working out because you did it 1 year. you have to do it for a few.

Tanking is a low value proposition.

You're talking about a 9-15% difference between the Warriors and the Knicks. That's not really significant enough to throw your whole season away over, let alone multiple seasons.

You would win 37 games and still have a pretty decent shot.

[Zenzibar]

This. Most teams that tanked still got what they wanted.

That is so true! Just like we got Zion or Morant last year, that's right. Stupid me,what was I thinking?

you're not guaranteed it working out because you did it 1 year. you have to do it for a few.

[god shammgod]

That is so true! Just like we got Zion or Morant last year, that's right. Stupid me,what was I thinking?

you're not guaranteed it working out because you did it 1 year. you have to do it for a few.

Tanking is a low value proposition.

You're talking about a 9-15% difference between the Warriors and the Knicks. That's not really significant enough to throw your whole season away over, let alone multiple seasons.

You would win 37 games and still have a pretty decent shot.

we did throw the whole season away though. we have for years now. we got kp and rj when we tanked enough. we got frank & knox when we didn't. i rest my case.

[robillionaire]

That is so true! Just like we got Zion or Morant last year, that's right. Stupid me,what was I thinking?

you're not guaranteed it working out because you did it 1 year. you have to do it for a few.

Tanking is a low value proposition.

You're talking about a 9-15% difference between the Warriors and the Knicks. That's not really significant enough to throw your whole season away over, let alone multiple seasons.

You would win 37 games and still have a pretty decent shot.

there was a 6 win difference between the warriors and knicks. 2 between us and minnesota who had the 2nd best odds. that's the difference between best odds and 6th best. are those 2-6 wins THAT meaningful and important? because that's usually the difference between top 3 and 8-9

[GONYK]

you're not guaranteed it working out because you did it 1 year. you have to do it for a few.

Tanking is a low value proposition.

You're talking about a 9-15% difference between the Warriors and the Knicks. That's not really significant enough to throw your whole season away over, let alone multiple seasons.

You would win 37 games and still have a pretty decent shot.

we did throw the whole season away though. we have for years now. we got kp and rj when we tanked enough. we got frank & knox when we didn't. i rest my case.

KP was under the old system. It made sense back then. Not so much now.

If we won more games, we'd have Zion or Ja. We'd also have the 3rd or 4th pick now.

I rest my case

[robillionaire]

Tanking is a low value proposition.

You're talking about a 9-15% difference between the Warriors and the Knicks. That's not really significant enough to throw your whole season away over, let alone multiple seasons.

You would win 37 games and still have a pretty decent shot.

we did throw the whole season away though. we have for years now. we got kp and rj when we tanked enough. we got frank & knox when we didn't. i rest my case.

KP was under the old system. It made sense back then. Not so much now.

If we won more games, we'd have Zion or Ja.

I rest my case

Zion is too fat to even walk properly. Yall are disrespecting RJ Barrett just to make the argument

[GONYK]

we did throw the whole season away though. we have for years now. we got kp and rj when we tanked enough. we got frank & knox when we didn't. i rest my case.

KP was under the old system. It made sense back then. Not so much now.

If we won more games, we'd have Zion or Ja.

I rest my case

Zion is too fat to even walk properly. Yall are disrespecting RJ Barrett just to make the argument

I named 2 players. In reality, I named the #1 and #2 picks. The players are irrelevant.

You are ignoring the larger argument to prop up RJ (which I respect, but is disingenuous )

[robillionaire]

KP was under the old system. It made sense back then. Not so much now.

If we won more games, we'd have Zion or Ja.

I rest my case

Zion is too fat to even walk properly. Yall are disrespecting RJ Barrett just to make the argument

I named 2 players. In reality, I named the #1 and #2 picks. The players are irrelevant.

You are ignoring the larger argument to prop up RJ (which I respect, but is disingenuous )

I'm actually not. But okay, the players are irrelevant. The 3rd pick is better than 8-9. in every draft. the end

[god shammgod]

Tanking is a low value proposition.

You're talking about a 9-15% difference between the Warriors and the Knicks. That's not really significant enough to throw your whole season away over, let alone multiple seasons.

You would win 37 games and still have a pretty decent shot.

we did throw the whole season away though. we have for years now. we got kp and rj when we tanked enough. we got frank & knox when we didn't. i rest my case.

KP was under the old system. It made sense back then. Not so much now.

If we won more games, we'd have Zion or Ja.

I rest my case

just give me 1 more year god damn it. start trying to win in 2021. there might not even be crowds or a full season next year. it's perfect to tank and it's supposed to be a great class. we're throwing that away to come close to maxing fred van vleet ? is he even a top 10 point in this league ? exactly, so f*ck him.

[robillionaire]

we did throw the whole season away though. we have for years now. we got kp and rj when we tanked enough. we got frank & knox when we didn't. i rest my case.

KP was under the old system. It made sense back then. Not so much now.

If we won more games, we'd have Zion or Ja.

I rest my case

just give me 1 more year god damn it. start trying to win in 2021. there might not even be crowds or a full season next year. it's perfect to tank and it's supposed to be a great class. we're throwing that away to come close to maxing fred van vleet ? is he even a top 10 point in this league ? exactly, so f*ck him.

he's a system pg in a great system with a great coach. we have no business even trying to bring this guy in for max money

[GONYK]

Zion is too fat to even walk properly. Yall are disrespecting RJ Barrett just to make the argument

I named 2 players. In reality, I named the #1 and #2 picks. The players are irrelevant.

You are ignoring the larger argument to prop up RJ (which I respect, but is disingenuous )

I'm actually not. But okay, the players are irrelevant. The 3rd pick is better than 8-9. in every draft. the end

I'm sure the Pelicans and the Grizzlies agree, since they jumped into the #1 and #2 from the 7-9 slots

[GONYK]

we did throw the whole season away though. we have for years now. we got kp and rj when we tanked enough. we got frank & knox when we didn't. i rest my case.

KP was under the old system. It made sense back then. Not so much now.

If we won more games, we'd have Zion or Ja.

I rest my case

just give me 1 more year god damn it. start trying to win in 2021. there might not even be crowds or a full season next year. it's perfect to tank and it's supposed to be a great class. we're throwing that away to come close to maxing fred van vleet ? is he even a top 10 point in this league ? exactly, so f*ck him.

You're going to get a ~33 win team, and there's nothing you can do about it

[robillionaire]

I named 2 players. In reality, I named the #1 and #2 picks. The players are irrelevant.

You are ignoring the larger argument to prop up RJ (which I respect, but is disingenuous )

I'm actually not. But okay, the players are irrelevant. The 3rd pick is better than 8-9. in every draft. the end

I'm sure the Pelicans and the Grizzlies agree, since they jumped into the #1 and #2 from the 7-9 slots

Yeah, they got lucky. You are wanting to rely on luck instead of math. The Knicks have had great luck, let's keep trying.

[god shammgod]

KP was under the old system. It made sense back then. Not so much now.

If we won more games, we'd have Zion or Ja.

I rest my case

just give me 1 more year god damn it. start trying to win in 2021. there might not even be crowds or a full season next year. it's perfect to tank and it's supposed to be a great class. we're throwing that away to come close to maxing fred van vleet ? is he even a top 10 point in this league ? exactly, so f*ck him.

he's a system pg in a great system with a great coach. we have no business even trying to bring this guy in for max money

i like him. he's a good player. plays great defense, hits 3s. not a 1st or 2nd scoring option. not the main play maker on that team. not near a max contract guy on a contender.

[GONYK]

I'm actually not. But okay, the players are irrelevant. The 3rd pick is better than 8-9. in every draft. the end

I'm sure the Pelicans and the Grizzlies agree, since they jumped into the #1 and #2 from the 7-9 slots

Yeah, they got lucky. You are wanting to rely on luck instead of math. The Knicks have had great luck, let's keep trying.

The math involved in the current lottery system isn't any more reliable than luck. That's my point.

You are trying to maximize sh*tty odds, no matter what you do. So you might as well actually build a team. You have way more control over that.