2019-2020 College/Draft thread X [marks the spot] (Knicks own #8 pick, 11/18 DRAFT)

[god shammgod]

Wiseman shot 55% from FT and 14.8% from 3 in HS/EYBL. 0-1 from 3 in college. Dude is far from a proven shooter.

we know, we just have to argue this everyday anyway. it's part of the rules apparently.

[3toheadmelo]

Wiseman shot 55% from FT and 14.8% from 3 in HS/EYBL. 0-1 from 3 in college. Dude is far from a proven shooter.

He’s not going to be a lights out shooter but I don’t think it’s a reach to say he can be a threat from the mid range with a 3 point shot coming later in his career. He shot 70% from the line in college and had a 76% TS. By looking at his form and numbers in college, it looks like he’s gonna be solid.

Also I think high school stats are meaningless. Especially if a player made improvements in college, like Wiseman

[3toheadmelo]

Wiseman shot 55% from FT and 14.8% from 3 in HS/EYBL. 0-1 from 3 in college. Dude is far from a proven shooter.

we know, we just have to argue this everyday anyway. it's part of the rules apparently.

[mpharris36]

I simply can't make a definitive statement either way on what wiseman could be. But we know he is a good athlete, he has great length, and should at minimum be a threat as a rim runner and rim protecter with really good rebounding.

I just simply can't make a definitive comment that he "improved" his weaknesses on a 3 game sample size (mostly against horrendous competition). You can take anybody's 3 game sample size and they could show ridiculous numbers. The man played less than 70 minutes at the college level.

I have no idea how anyone can make a definitive statement on him at this point. But that is just me. I don't love using high school numbers but that is the largest sample size you have. There is so much unknown.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Wiseman shot 55% from FT and 14.8% from 3 in HS/EYBL. 0-1 from 3 in college. Dude is far from a proven shooter.

He’s not going to be a lights out shooter but I don’t think it’s a reach to say he can be a threat from the mid range with a 3 point shot coming later in his career. He shot 70% from the line in college and had a 76% TS. By looking at his form and numbers in college, it looks like he’s gonna be solid.

Also I think high school stats are meaningless. Especially if a player made improvements in college, like Wiseman

Mitch had the highest TS% in the NBA this season
Doesn't really mean he can shoot...at least not yet.

Wiseman only played 3 college games. 2 were against horrible teams and none of them really had any bigs. Hard to say from that sample size. Maybe he can shoot. Maybe not. He really hasn't shown it yet though.

[3toheadmelo]

I simply can't make a definitive statement either way on what wiseman could be. But we know he is a good athlete, he has great length, and should at minimum be a threat as a rim runner and rim protecter with really good rebounding.

I just simply can't make a definitive comment that he "improved" his weaknesses on a 3 game sample size (mostly against horrendous competition). You can take anybody's 3 game sample size and they could show ridiculous numbers. The man played less than 70 minutes at the college level.

I have no idea how anyone can make a definitive statement on him at this point. But that is just me. I don't love using high school numbers but that is the largest sample size you have. There is so much unknown.

I mean improving free throw % is a legit improvement, no matter what the competition is.

I been watching him since he was high school though.. so I guess I believe in his game more than you guys. I think he is legit. The flashes of moves he has shown is why he was the consensus #1 player out of high school. He’s gonna be a unicorn imo.

[robillionaire]

can't wait to see mitch face off against wiseman next year when the hornets play the warriors, should be good entertainment

[3toheadmelo]

Wiseman shot 55% from FT and 14.8% from 3 in HS/EYBL. 0-1 from 3 in college. Dude is far from a proven shooter.

He’s not going to be a lights out shooter but I don’t think it’s a reach to say he can be a threat from the mid range with a 3 point shot coming later in his career. He shot 70% from the line in college and had a 76% TS. By looking at his form and numbers in college, it looks like he’s gonna be solid.

Also I think high school stats are meaningless. Especially if a player made improvements in college, like Wiseman

Mitch had the highest TS% in the NBA this season
Doesn't really mean he can shoot...at least not yet.

Wiseman only played 3 college games. 2 were against horrible teams and none of them really had any bigs. Hard to say from that sample size. Maybe he can shoot. Maybe not. He really hasn't shown it yet though.

Wiseman was hitting jumpers in college though. Mitch didn’t hit anything this year... or last year lol.

I guess we’ll see. I’m willing to die on this wiseman hill

[god shammgod]

He’s not going to be a lights out shooter but I don’t think it’s a reach to say he can be a threat from the mid range with a 3 point shot coming later in his career. He shot 70% from the line in college and had a 76% TS. By looking at his form and numbers in college, it looks like he’s gonna be solid.

Also I think high school stats are meaningless. Especially if a player made improvements in college, like Wiseman

Mitch had the highest TS% in the NBA this season
Doesn't really mean he can shoot...at least not yet.

Wiseman only played 3 college games. 2 were against horrible teams and none of them really had any bigs. Hard to say from that sample size. Maybe he can shoot. Maybe not. He really hasn't shown it yet though.

Wiseman was hitting jumpers in college though. Mitch didn’t hit anything this year... or last year lol.

I guess we’ll see. I’m willing to die on this wiseman hill

what die ? you still act like julius randle is good. you're like trump, you just ignore the facts and pretend that everything is going well.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I simply can't make a definitive statement either way on what wiseman could be. But we know he is a good athlete, he has great length, and should at minimum be a threat as a rim runner and rim protecter with really good rebounding.

I just simply can't make a definitive comment that he "improved" his weaknesses on a 3 game sample size (mostly against horrendous competition). You can take anybody's 3 game sample size and they could show ridiculous numbers. The man played less than 70 minutes at the college level.

I have no idea how anyone can make a definitive statement on him at this point. But that is just me. I don't love using high school numbers but that is the largest sample size you have. There is so much unknown.

Yea, there really wasn't a lot to go by. He def has the physical profile and will give him a high upside. He will get drafted high and for good reason. He really is not in our range. If we trade up, it would not even be for Wiseman. It would be for Ball or one of the G's/Wings. Even that cost wouldnt be Mitch straight up. It sounds like it is Mitch + #8. So its not even really Mitch vs Wiseman. It is more so Mitch + #8 or Wiseman. I will take Mitch + #8 and take my chances on that pick.

[3toheadmelo]

Mitch had the highest TS% in the NBA this season
Doesn't really mean he can shoot...at least not yet.

Wiseman only played 3 college games. 2 were against horrible teams and none of them really had any bigs. Hard to say from that sample size. Maybe he can shoot. Maybe not. He really hasn't shown it yet though.

Wiseman was hitting jumpers in college though. Mitch didn’t hit anything this year... or last year lol.

I guess we’ll see. I’m willing to die on this wiseman hill

what die ? you still act like julius randle is good. you're like trump, you just ignore the facts and pretend that everything is going well.

You still think Garland is good though

[god shammgod]

Wiseman was hitting jumpers in college though. Mitch didn’t hit anything this year... or last year lol.

I guess we’ll see. I’m willing to die on this wiseman hill

what die ? you still act like julius randle is good. you're like trump, you just ignore the facts and pretend that everything is going well.

You still think Garland is good though

he wasn't this year but he still might be. i wouldn't bet on it though.

[Deeeez Knicks]

He’s not going to be a lights out shooter but I don’t think it’s a reach to say he can be a threat from the mid range with a 3 point shot coming later in his career. He shot 70% from the line in college and had a 76% TS. By looking at his form and numbers in college, it looks like he’s gonna be solid.

Also I think high school stats are meaningless. Especially if a player made improvements in college, like Wiseman

Mitch had the highest TS% in the NBA this season
Doesn't really mean he can shoot...at least not yet.

Wiseman only played 3 college games. 2 were against horrible teams and none of them really had any bigs. Hard to say from that sample size. Maybe he can shoot. Maybe not. He really hasn't shown it yet though.

Wiseman was hitting jumpers in college though. Mitch didn’t hit anything this year... or last year lol.

I guess we’ll see. I’m willing to die on this wiseman hill

Yea, we def know he is your guy

I don't think he's going to be bad or anything. I just see him more like a Drummond/Whiteside type.

[moocow007]

Can we all agree that we either make no projections on what a player can do in the future if he hasn't shown he can right now or we allow everyone to make projections on every player in terms of what they can do in the future even if he hasn't shown he can right now?

Some of you guys that are making arguments AGAINST player A can't being able to do something in the future cause he hasn't shown he can it so far then turn around and basically use the same argument FOR player B being able to do something in the future even though he too hasn't shown he is able to do it thus far.

Just very hypocritical. And yes. You are. You are. And you guys aren't even noticing it. The proof? Just go back and slowly read through these arguments. Oh I know...boo! Boo!! That's not true!

[god shammgod]

Mitch had the highest TS% in the NBA this season
Doesn't really mean he can shoot...at least not yet.

Wiseman only played 3 college games. 2 were against horrible teams and none of them really had any bigs. Hard to say from that sample size. Maybe he can shoot. Maybe not. He really hasn't shown it yet though.

Wiseman was hitting jumpers in college though. Mitch didn’t hit anything this year... or last year lol.

I guess we’ll see. I’m willing to die on this wiseman hill

Yea, we def know he is your guy

I don't think he's going to be bad or anything. I just see him more like a Drummond/Whiteside type.

exactly. he's slow like them. not quick and nimble like mitch. he doesn't have the makings of a varsity athlete.

[god shammgod]

Can we all agree that we either make no projections on what a player can do in the future if he hasn't shown he can right now or we allow everyone to make projections on every player in terms of what they can do in the future even if he hasn't shown he can right now?

Some of you guys that are making arguments AGAINST player A can't being able to do something in the future cause he hasn't shown he can it so far then turn around and basically use the same argument FOR player B being able to do something in the future even though he too hasn't shown he is able to do it thus far.

Just very hypocritical. And yes. You are. You are. And you guys aren't even noticing it. The proof? Just go back and slowly read through these arguments. Oh I know...boo! Boo!! That's not true!

you're right, you can't claim wiseman can improve his shooting and mitch can't. ban melo.

[3toheadmelo]

Mitch had the highest TS% in the NBA this season
Doesn't really mean he can shoot...at least not yet.

Wiseman only played 3 college games. 2 were against horrible teams and none of them really had any bigs. Hard to say from that sample size. Maybe he can shoot. Maybe not. He really hasn't shown it yet though.

Wiseman was hitting jumpers in college though. Mitch didn’t hit anything this year... or last year lol.

I guess we’ll see. I’m willing to die on this wiseman hill

Yea, we def know he is your guy

I don't think he's going to be bad or anything. I just see him more like a Drummond/Whiteside type.

I def don’t see him as a Drummond/Whiteside guy at all lol. We’ll see

[Zenzibar]

I simply can't make a definitive statement either way on what wiseman could be. But we know he is a good athlete, he has great length, and should at minimum be a threat as a rim runner and rim protecter with really good rebounding.

I just simply can't make a definitive comment that he "improved" his weaknesses on a 3 game sample size (mostly against horrendous competition). You can take anybody's 3 game sample size and they could show ridiculous numbers. The man played less than 70 minutes at the college level.

I have no idea how anyone can make a definitive statement on him at this point. But that is just me. I don't love using high school numbers but that is the largest sample size you have. There is so much unknown.

I mean improving free throw % is a legit improvement, no matter what the competition is.

I been watching him since he was high school though.. so I guess I believe in his game more than you guys. I think he is legit. The flashes of moves he has shown is why he was the consensus #1 player out of high school. He’s gonna be a unicorn imo.

[DOT]

I think the "we shouldn't give Mitch a max contract cause it's hard to build around Cs with limited offense" is a valid point

I don't think anyone saying that is being consistent when they say we should then trade up and take Wiseman, cause his offensive game isn't that advanced either. He barely took any shots outside the paint, and cause we only have 3 games to dissect, that's not enough to say he has a jumper.

[thebuzzardman]

Makes perfect sense that D'Antoni goes to the Pacers, Rivers goes to the 76ers, and the Knicks wind up being on the outside looking in on various trades, getting LaMelo etc.

Just for once it would nice if the Knicks could get to the level of talent and respectability that they'd even be able to get IN on trades to make a difference to them, make them better.

Probably Rose and WWW wind up dry humping for a couple of years as the league has passed them by, and then they make some panic move for some washed up POS in year 3.

Good times.

i don't know what one thing has to do with the other. also, did the pacers hire d'antoni ?

Strong rumor they will hire D'Antoni.

They are related only in that other teams make coaching moves which will then trigger personnel moves, while Rose and WWW will be jacking off in the corner to their old resumes.