2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2

[DowNY]

Random unlikely scenario. The team ends up with #2 and #3. If you can, do you trade both for #1?

Sorry if this has been asked before

I’m staying at those picks and taking the Jalen duo with ease.

[WargamesX]

Nope. If anything you trade down from one of them if the team at 4 or 5 really wants Mobley.

Or you see if #2 and Mitch is enough for #1 so you can Grab Cade and Mobley

I won't know until the GL gets going. But Mitch & 2 of Suggs/Green/Kuminga, sounds even more tempting than Cade & Mobley.

Yeah but we would need a center. Honestly I hope we have problems deciding on this real soon

[Fat]

Random unlikely scenario. The team ends up with #2 and #3. If you can, do you trade both for #1?

Sorry if this has been asked before

Definitely not just take suggs and Mobley

[cgf]

Or you see if #2 and Mitch is enough for #1 so you can Grab Cade and Mobley

I won't know until the GL gets going. But Mitch & 2 of Suggs/Green/Kuminga, sounds even more tempting than Cade & Mobley.

Yeah but we would need a center. Honestly I hope we have problems deciding on this real soon

I'm not getting my hopes up, but I also won't be furious when the lotto gods screw us again, as I'm high on most of the lotto talent in this class too

[knickstape4ever]

Random unlikely scenario. The team ends up with #2 and #3. If you can, do you trade both for #1?

Sorry if this has been asked before

nope, I'd rather get 2 cracks at it

looking at the past 5 #1 picks, I think you can make the case that all would be different picks if redrafted:

2016: Simmons - I'd take Jaylen Brown over Simmons (and Murray too)
Ingram and Brown went 2nd, 3rd
2017: Fultz - no doubt Tatum, Fox, Donovan, Bam, etc.
Ball and Tatum went 2nd, 3rd
2018: Ayton - no doubt Doncic, Trae, JJJ, Shai
Bagley and Doncic went 2nd, 3rd
2019: Zion - I'd take Ja over Zion
Ja and RJ went 2nd, 3rd
2020: Edwards - Lamelo
Wiseman and Ball went 2nd, 3rd


between 2012-2019 there has been an all-star taken either 2nd or 3rd of each draft

Cade is #1 for me but I think this draft has some really great talents. 2 shots at players like Suggs, Green, Mobley would be amazing and franchise changing

[Polk377]

Praying the Draft Gods will look favorably upon us for improved decision making and play by gifting us Jalen Suggs. He would be the perfect PG for this team and would be a dynamic backcourt partner with RJ.

Honestly it’s Cade. He would fit like a glove

IQ
RJ
Cade
Randle
Mitch

Then you try and draft the most dynamic scorer with the other pick.

Not that impressed by Cunningham to be honest. Don't see his game translating as well to the NBA when he isn't one of the biggest guys on the court. Handle lacks fluidity and craftiness to really be a guard at the next level. He is a poor man's Ben Simmons with a jumper.

Suggs is a bulldog (no pun intended) on both ends of the floor and has the speed, athleticism, size and IQ to be a top lead guard in the NBA. I see streaks of D Wade and D Rose in him. He makes others around him better.

Suggs
Quickly
Barrett
Randle
Robinson

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Praying the Draft Gods will look favorably upon us for improved decision making and play by gifting us Jalen Suggs. He would be the perfect PG for this team and would be a dynamic backcourt partner with RJ.

Honestly it’s Cade. He would fit like a glove

IQ
RJ
Cade
Randle
Mitch

Then you try and draft the most dynamic scorer with the other pick.

Not that impressed by Cunningham to be honest. Don't see his game translating as well to the NBA when he isn't one of the biggest guys on the court. Handle lacks fluidity and craftiness to really be a guard at the next level. He is a poor man's Ben Simmons with a jumper.

Suggs is a bulldog (no pun intended) on both ends of the floor and has the speed, athleticism, size and IQ to be a top lead guard in the NBA. I see streaks of D Wade and D Rose in him. He makes others around him better.

Suggs
Quickly
Barrett
Randle
Robinson

When two players are comparable in skills, take the bigger player, especially when we already have Quickley to play at the 1. Also, Cade seems to have more skill to be honest, he's better from the line and from three, while Suggs shooting has come crashing down to earth, over his last 10 games Suggs is shooting 26% from three. You combine that three point shooting with his freethrow percentage and it's more than likely he'll get to the NBA and need a few seasons before he can shoot at a decent level.

He doesn't need to play at the guard spot either, drafting him and pairing him with RJ gives us a big physical presence on the wing that would be difficult for teams to matchup with. Ben Simmons with a jumper would be a top 5 player, not really seeing your point there. I like Suggs, but he's in no way shape or form a better prospect than Cade, you just don't get 6'8" players that can run an offense and have a refined offensive halfcourt game that often.

[RandlesCornrows]

Random unlikely scenario. The team ends up with #2 and #3. If you can, do you trade both for #1?

Sorry if this has been asked before

I’m staying at those picks and taking the Jalen duo with ease.

do you go Mobley and take Green or go Suggs & Green?

I like Quickley as our lead guard. I think I’d take Mobley and trade Robinson for 2022 draft picks and keep building leverage. And hope we have the same problem in 2022

Go with

Immanuel Quickley
Jalen Green
R.J. Barrett
Julius Randle
Evan Mobley

[Richard4444]

He’s gonna look a lot better in the pros with better spacing. Such a talented scorer

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[DowNY]

Random unlikely scenario. The team ends up with #2 and #3. If you can, do you trade both for #1?

Sorry if this has been asked before

I’m staying at those picks and taking the Jalen duo with ease.

do you go Mobley and take Green or go Suggs & Green?

I like Quickley as our lead guard. I think I’d take Mobley and trade Robinson for 2022 draft picks and keep building leverage. And hope we have the same problem in 2022

Go with

Immanuel Quickley
Jalen Green
R.J. Barrett
Julius Randle
Evan Mobley

Either or is fine but I think Suggs as lead guard and IQ as 6th man is best because who else can come off the bench and get buckets? Knox? Rivers every 8 games? Lol
I also think we will sign Drummond, Rich holmes or another big man since we have so much cap. Sign a big and a SF backup like Otto Porter or Oubre maybe.

Jalen Suggs/IQ
Jalen Green/Rivers
RJ Barrett/Otto Porter or Kelly Oubre
Julius Randle/ Obi Toppin
Andre Drummond/ Mitchell Robinson

[3toheadmelo]

Melo, I remember you and Chanel Bomber being high on Quickley last year... who's your top 10 right now along with a sleeper or two? Just curious...

1. Cade
2. Green
3. Suggs
4. Kuminga
5. Ziarie
6. Mobley
7. Bouknight
8. Jalen Johnson
9.Scottie Barnes
10. Kispert

My top 4 is solidified right now. After that it’s up in the air. But for now that’s what I would have it as.

Not a Moody fan?

He’s ok. I’d take him in late lottery or mid first. Not a big fan of guards with limited handles

[cgf]

1. Cade
2. Green
3. Suggs
4. Kuminga
5. Ziarie
6. Mobley
7. Bouknight
8. Jalen Johnson
9.Scottie Barnes
10. Kispert

My top 4 is solidified right now. After that it’s up in the air. But for now that’s what I would have it as.

Not a Moody fan?

He’s ok. I’d take him in late lottery or mid first. Not a big fan of guards with limited handles

Fair enough. I view him as a wing who can check 2s & 3s, rather than a guard, so don't mind him being a complementary guy offensively...though that is why he (like Barnes) doesn't crack my top 8. Kid may just be a 3&D prospect, but he looked like one hell of a 3&D prospect in the couple of games I caught.

[cgf]

I'm getting closer to putting Ziaire over Suggs. I still like Suggs' potential a lot, but his shooting coming down after his hot start, how recklessly he throws his body around, and landing in the perfect situation to highlight his skills at the college level, have raised concerns for me.

And if he's not as much of a safe bet as he looked to start the season, then it becomes harder for me to pass on Williams' greater upside/realistic-ceiling. If Ziaire picks up where he left off whenever he's back on the court (death in the family), I think I'll be ready to push him into my top 5.

Cade
Mobley
Suggs/Ziaire
***
JJ
Bouknight
Moody
Barnes

***Green & Kuminga are in my top 5 until I get to see them and form a strong opinion of my own about them...at which point they could solidify their spots or drop...but until then I just dunno how to rank them against Cade / Mobley / Suggs / Ziaire

[RHODEY]

Praying the Draft Gods will look favorably upon us for improved decision making and play by gifting us Jalen Suggs. He would be the perfect PG for this team and would be a dynamic backcourt partner with RJ.

Honestly it’s Cade. He would fit like a glove

IQ
RJ
Cade
Randle
Mitch

Then you try and draft the most dynamic scorer with the other pick.

Not that impressed by Cunningham to be honest. Don't see his game translating as well to the NBA when he isn't one of the biggest guys on the court. Handle lacks fluidity and craftiness to really be a guard at the next level. He is a poor man's Ben Simmons with a jumper.

Suggs is a bulldog (no pun intended) on both ends of the floor and has the speed, athleticism, size and IQ to be a top lead guard in the NBA. I see streaks of D Wade and D Rose in him. He makes others around him better.

Suggs
Quickly
Barrett
Randle
Robinson

[2010]

When is the last time Leon Rose actually spoke? Has he ever given the rationale behind the Toppin/Quickley picks?

At this point we still have no idea what the front office's philosophy is when evaluating picks.

[2010]

I'm reading some terrible takes in here this morning.

• Cade is only excelling due to his size in college
• Suggs is only succeeding due to being at Gonzaga
• Moody has no handle
• Ziaire is better than Suggs

I guess we've reached that point where cats have said so much about prospects that now they're bored and gotta start reaching with their commentary.

[2010]

3toheadmelo wouldn't have liked Sprewell or Houston either.

Moody is as close to Houston as I've seen recently. And Houston had a better handle than Spree, so Melo saying he wouldn't have liked either of them.

[Dave DaButcher]

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[Gravy]

When is the last time Leon Rose actually spoke? Has he ever given the rationale behind the Toppin/Quickley picks?

At this point we still have no idea what the front office's philosophy is when evaluating picks.

Do front offices usually discuss their drafting philosophy? It always gets overanalyzed and turned into a negative if they bust, like Fiz saying they liked Knox because he had a great workout.

[cgf]

I'm reading some terrible takes in here this morning.

• Cade is only excelling due to his size in college
• Suggs is only succeeding due to being at Gonzaga
• Moody has no handle
• Ziaire is better than Suggs

I guess we've reached that point where cats have said so much about prospects that now they're bored and gotta start reaching with their commentary.

...except I never said that Suggs is only succeeding due to being Gonzaga. Hell I expressly said that I still liked the kid, and have him firmly in my top tier...or top two tiers if I give Cade his own. How much Suggs' success would be limited by having to deal with our spacing, rather than Gonzaga's is a valid question...but that's not even what I was getting at.

I was just getting the fact that a lot of these OADs aren't in anywhere near as favorable of situations to show off their skillsets & what they do well, as Suggs is. Which makes me wonder how much higher we would be on other kids if they had had the same opportunity that Suggs has. Not to take away from Suggs, but rather to give the other talents their fair shake.

Like Keon Johnson, if he wasn't coming off the bench for a slow & super-defensive Tennessee team that tries to grind out wins without having to score more than 50, but instead were starting next to Suggs in that high-powered & up-tempo Gonzaga offense, would we be looking at him as a top 10 lock? Or what about BJ Boston? What if he got to be just another cog in that Gonzaga machine, instead of having Cal ask him to run the mess they've got in Kentucky this season. Would his stock still be in the crapper or would we be arguing about whether he should be a top 5 pick?

Or hell, what about Cade? What if Cade got to feed Kispert & co. rather than a group of bums that you, me & the next 3 posters to comment in this thread could beat? If that were happening, how many Cade vs Luka/Lebron threads would there be on the mainboard right now? I'm guessing at least 5.

Can't fault Suggs for having that opportunity, but it is something to keep in mind when talking about other prospects who aren't in as good of a position to display their talent.