Tyrese Maxey VS Immanuel Quickley

[thebuzzardman]

Maxey's still better, but Quick finished out the season real strong regardless

Plus, it's not like we passed on Maxey to draft Quick, Maxey wouldn't have been there at 23, so we would've had to trade up to get him, which isn't this FO's MO

So the real debate is, should we have taken Maxey 8th instead of Obi.

Maxey >>>>>>>> Obi

In hindsight, there’s no doubt to me anymore.

Every young player in the NBA is better than any young Knick player, so the analysis isn't complicated.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Because on here it always involves stating the player the Knicks have is a piece of sh*t, as a result. Or implying it.

Maxey being better doesn't mean IQ sucks, but not being able to see the differences in them as players who play the same position, and just reducing it to "Well he plays with Embiid" is bottom feeder stuff. Not being able to see why Maxey is doing what he's doing, and still arguing that IQ could do it is just homerism. Better handle, better shooter, better athlete, it's really that simple.

Maybe Maxey is better and also playing with Embiid and Harden matters too.

It matters for getting to the playoffs and being a contender as he's not going to be a tier 1 star or carry a team as the feature, but without both of them over his last 10 games he's at 24/5/4 on 52%, basically Fox with a 3 point shot.

[spree2kawhi]

Comparing a guy who beem playing on restricted minutes, to a guy who is given free reign next to MVP candidates wont age well IMO

I think you can compare them. One is just better and outplays the other. You can also compare Mitch and, say, Robert Williams or Obi and JJJ or Kemba and Steph Curry and see how the latter is much better respectively. But hey, we’ll see anyway.

You can compare Donovan Mitchell to cp3...who would be better for the Knicks?

Mitchell would be better to have next season but CP3 is and has been far better than Mitchell will ever become. I think that’s simple. Plus, we need a real lead guard and IQ is only going to be a quality sixth man at best.

Look, while I’d like the Warriors to win it all this year, they really may not have what it takes. What they do have though is three better guards than IQ (Steph, Klay and Poole), plus two to three young prospects with more upside on top of that (Wiseman, Kuminga, probably also Moody). And still they may not have enough. What’s the point in obsessing over a player like IQ then? You don’t lose it when you watch Spencer Dinwiddie, do you? IQ likely won’t even make it to that level of production.

[spree2kawhi]

Maxey >>>>>>>> Obi

In hindsight, there’s no doubt to me anymore.

Every young player in the NBA is better than any young Knick player, so the analysis isn't complicated.

While it may just sound like the easy thing to say, I really think we have a very underwhelming collection of prospects.

[RHODEY]

I think you can compare them. One is just better and outplays the other. You can also compare Mitch and, say, Robert Williams or Obi and JJJ or Kemba and Steph Curry and see how the latter is much better respectively. But hey, we’ll see anyway.

You can compare Donovan Mitchell to cp3...who would be better for the Knicks?

Mitchell would be better to have next season but CP3 is and has been far better than Mitchell will ever become. I think that’s simple. Plus, we need a real lead guard and IQ is only going to be a quality sixth man at best.

Look, while I’d like the Warriors to win it all this year, they really may not have what it takes. What they do have though is three better guards than IQ (Steph, Klay and Poole), plus two to three young prospects with more upside on top of that (Wiseman, Kuminga, probably also Moody). And still they may not have enough. What’s the point in obsessing over a player like IQ then? You don’t lose it when you watch Spencer Dinwiddie, do you? IQ likely won’t even make it to that level of production.

No one is obsessing g over IQ...that's the problem, we aren't allowed to appreciate our own players without a stigma being attached to it.

[RHODEY]

I think you can compare them. One is just better and outplays the other. You can also compare Mitch and, say, Robert Williams or Obi and JJJ or Kemba and Steph Curry and see how the latter is much better respectively. But hey, we’ll see anyway.

You can compare Donovan Mitchell to cp3...who would be better for the Knicks?

cp3 tbh because he seems to have the intangible effect of unlocking his teammates' potential

And we need a PG more than another combo guard.

[spree2kawhi]

You can compare Donovan Mitchell to cp3...who would be better for the Knicks?

Mitchell would be better to have next season but CP3 is and has been far better than Mitchell will ever become. I think that’s simple. Plus, we need a real lead guard and IQ is only going to be a quality sixth man at best.

Look, while I’d like the Warriors to win it all this year, they really may not have what it takes. What they do have though is three better guards than IQ (Steph, Klay and Poole), plus two to three young prospects with more upside on top of that (Wiseman, Kuminga, probably also Moody). And still they may not have enough. What’s the point in obsessing over a player like IQ then? You don’t lose it when you watch Spencer Dinwiddie, do you? IQ likely won’t even make it to that level of production.

No one is obsessing g over IQ...that's the problem, we aren't allowed to appreciate our own players without a stigma being attached to it.

To me, appreciating an okay late first rounder is okay as long as he isn’t compared to a 2nd year player who just averaged over 17 ppg and delivered 38 points in a playoff win. IQ is a useful player, but literally nothing to write home about. That would be Maxey.

With the initial point being how ridiculous the comparison has been and become, I think that’s an accurate take. I like Quickley too. But he’s not a pure point guard at all and he’s also exactly the type of talent that you find everywhere around the league - you don’t need to look far: Denver for example has Hyland AND Morris and IQ is not going to be a Tyler Herro, nor Dinwiddie, Terance Mann or Coby White. Go ahead and appreciate the few bright spots on the team, I understand that, but personally I just think this thread is misleading at best while also being a bad look.

I also find it sad that this team missed the playoffs, yet does not have any promising youngsters with the exception of an almost underachieving former top three pick. Ultimately I think the Knicks are very hard to root for these days.

[thebuzzardman]

Maxey being better doesn't mean IQ sucks, but not being able to see the differences in them as players who play the same position, and just reducing it to "Well he plays with Embiid" is bottom feeder stuff. Not being able to see why Maxey is doing what he's doing, and still arguing that IQ could do it is just homerism. Better handle, better shooter, better athlete, it's really that simple.

Maybe Maxey is better and also playing with Embiid and Harden matters too.

It matters for getting to the playoffs and being a contender as he's not going to be a tier 1 star or carry a team as the feature, but without both of them over his last 10 games he's at 24/5/4 on 52%, basically Fox with a 3 point shot.

Very well. IQ sucks.

[KnixtapeH20]

No perspective is just not seeing the glaring difference in speed, explosion and finishing ability because 1 guy is a Knick and the other isn't. Anyone with eyes can see that Maxey just gets by people easier, Embiid has nothing to do with Maxey being in the 86th percentile for transition, IQ is in the 41st. One guy has elite speed & quickness and the other doesn't, that has nothing to do with playing on the better team or who he plays with, neither does the finishing ability. Maxey's last 10 games without Embiid he's averaged 24ppg, 5rpg, 3apg on 52% from the field. Why is it so difficult to just face the reality that Maxey is the better player?

Because on here it always involves stating the player the Knicks have is a piece of sh*t, as a result. Or implying it.

Maxey being better doesn't mean IQ sucks, but not being able to see the differences in them as players who play the same position, and just reducing it to "Well he plays with Embiid" is bottom feeder stuff. Not being able to see why Maxey is doing what he's doing, and still arguing that IQ could do it is just homerism. Better handle, better shooter, better athlete, it's really that simple.

They don't play the same position IQ was learning to be a point guard which is why in my response to you i said let's give IQ some credit for learning a completely new position and finally figuring it out once he started getting more minutes.

[KnixtapeH20]

In hindsight, there’s no doubt to me anymore.

Every young player in the NBA is better than any young Knick player, so the analysis isn't complicated.

While it may just sound like the easy thing to say, I really think we have a very underwhelming collection of prospects.

I don't think so at all. We will see

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Because on here it always involves stating the player the Knicks have is a piece of sh*t, as a result. Or implying it.

Maxey being better doesn't mean IQ sucks, but not being able to see the differences in them as players who play the same position, and just reducing it to "Well he plays with Embiid" is bottom feeder stuff. Not being able to see why Maxey is doing what he's doing, and still arguing that IQ could do it is just homerism. Better handle, better shooter, better athlete, it's really that simple.

They don't play the same position IQ was learning to be a point guard which is why in my response to you i said let's give IQ some credit for learning a completely new position and finally figuring it out once he started getting more minutes.

They play the same position, both will be slotted at and defend the opposing PG on most nights, and neither are or project into being traiditonal PGs. Post all-star break IQ averaged 4.8apg, pre-Harden trade Maxey averaged 4.6apg while playing PG, neither one of these guys are pure PGs, both are scoring combo guards with some playmaking secondary.

[KnixtapeH20]

Maxey being better doesn't mean IQ sucks, but not being able to see the differences in them as players who play the same position, and just reducing it to "Well he plays with Embiid" is bottom feeder stuff. Not being able to see why Maxey is doing what he's doing, and still arguing that IQ could do it is just homerism. Better handle, better shooter, better athlete, it's really that simple.

They don't play the same position IQ was learning to be a point guard which is why in my response to you i said let's give IQ some credit for learning a completely new position and finally figuring it out once he started getting more minutes.

They play the same position, both will be slotted at and defend the opposing PG on most nights, and neither are or project into being traiditonal PGs. Post all-star break IQ averaged 4.8apg, pre-Harden trade Maxey averaged 4.6apg while playing PG, neither one of these guys are pure PGs, both are scoring combo guards with some playmaking secondary.

Ok but that's completely irrelevant to my point. IQ was learning an entirely new position that he's never really played before even at Kentucky. We're talking about production and how a player looks yes? So naturally Maxey is going to look better on a better team, better surroundings and playing shooting guard getting maximum minutes. Maxey averaged 12+ minutes more per game than IQ playing in a free flowing offense whereas IQ had to play with Randle which can't be overstated enough how much that negatively effects every player on the team.

I just don't understand why everyone loves speaking in definites about our young players but prop other teams players up simply bc they have a better surroundings and don't play for a psychopath head coach.

Maxey is the better player right now, ok cool. Let's see how IQ plays next season and what his role is.

[Iron Mantis]

You can compare Donovan Mitchell to cp3...who would be better for the Knicks?

Mitchell would be better to have next season but CP3 is and has been far better than Mitchell will ever become. I think that’s simple. Plus, we need a real lead guard and IQ is only going to be a quality sixth man at best.

Look, while I’d like the Warriors to win it all this year, they really may not have what it takes. What they do have though is three better guards than IQ (Steph, Klay and Poole), plus two to three young prospects with more upside on top of that (Wiseman, Kuminga, probably also Moody). And still they may not have enough. What’s the point in obsessing over a player like IQ then? You don’t lose it when you watch Spencer Dinwiddie, do you? IQ likely won’t even make it to that level of production.

No one is obsessing g over IQ...that's the problem, we aren't allowed to appreciate our own players without a stigma being attached to it.

It's disheartening to see how some fans lock our young players into eternal 8th man damnation while declaring every other team's young players as future stars.

Jordan Poole is better than IQ? Well...now clearly yes. Also starting on a contending team with an actual offensive system. After year 2, Poole was pretty much the same as Quickley is right now.

Can we start our young players, letting them develop and see if they take a leap before writing them off as eternal bench fodder?

Maxey is "better" than IQ primarily because of he is on a real team and starting.....still, IQ is shining to the extent that he can.

[RHODEY]

Mitchell would be better to have next season but CP3 is and has been far better than Mitchell will ever become. I think that’s simple. Plus, we need a real lead guard and IQ is only going to be a quality sixth man at best.

Look, while I’d like the Warriors to win it all this year, they really may not have what it takes. What they do have though is three better guards than IQ (Steph, Klay and Poole), plus two to three young prospects with more upside on top of that (Wiseman, Kuminga, probably also Moody). And still they may not have enough. What’s the point in obsessing over a player like IQ then? You don’t lose it when you watch Spencer Dinwiddie, do you? IQ likely won’t even make it to that level of production.

No one is obsessing g over IQ...that's the problem, we aren't allowed to appreciate our own players without a stigma being attached to it.

It's disheartening to see how some fans lock our young players into eternal 8th man damnation while declaring every other team's young players as future stars.

Jordan Poole is better than IQ? Well...now clearly yes. Also starting on a contending team with an actual offensive system. After year 2, Poole was pretty much the same as Quickley is right now.

Can we start our young players, letting them develop and see if they take a leap before writing them off as eternal bench fodder?

Maxey is "better" than IQ primarily because of he is on a real team and starting.....still, IQ is shining to the extent that he can.

Indeed, and Maxey Stans want this thread closed before IQ gets his deserved starter minutes. IQ's late season triple double has them shook into proactive damage control mode

[RHODEY]

Maxey being better doesn't mean IQ sucks, but not being able to see the differences in them as players who play the same position, and just reducing it to "Well he plays with Embiid" is bottom feeder stuff. Not being able to see why Maxey is doing what he's doing, and still arguing that IQ could do it is just homerism. Better handle, better shooter, better athlete, it's really that simple.

They don't play the same position IQ was learning to be a point guard which is why in my response to you i said let's give IQ some credit for learning a completely new position and finally figuring it out once he started getting more minutes.

They play the same position, both will be slotted at and defend the opposing PG on most nights, and neither are or project into being traiditonal PGs. Post all-star break IQ averaged 4.8apg, pre-Harden trade Maxey averaged 4.6apg while playing PG, neither one of these guys are pure PGs, both are scoring combo guards with some playmaking secondary.

If you watch the last month of the season, you clearly see IQ is learning the PG position. He's evolved while Maxey is still just a scorer.

[HEZI]

This is almost as embarrassing as Frank is a PG and Mitchell is just a scorer and give Frank time and Frank would look good next to a star like Doncic. Not quite as extreme as that but close. At least in that case Frank was actually younger so folks got away with the age excuse. This time they are saying Maxey is a finished product even though he’s better now and also younger but IQ is still learning LOL

[spree2kawhi]

This is almost as embarrassing as Frank is a PG and Mitchell is just a scorer and give Frank time and Frank would look good next to a star like Doncic. Not quite as extreme as that but close. At least in that case Frank was actually younger so folks got away with the age excuse. This time they are saying Maxey is a finished product even though he’s better now and also younger but IQ is still learning LOL

Yeah I t’s hard to get your head around this logic. But it won’t be solved. Time will tell after all.

Chances are IQ will leave the Knicks one day and be just another Trey Burke somewhere. Of course nobody will ever care again, but I don’t mind. If such a player resembles something really promising for people around the Knicks, I find that mindset dangerously frugal though because you could then be under the impression that we’re headed into the right direction - which we aren’t. If anything, our young talent is too bad for a team that usually misses the playoffs. IQ simply doesn’t have the talent to pull an Anfernee Simmons or Jordan Poole next year.

[FrozenEnvelope]

Maxey is better but then again playing along side Embiid and Harden helps.

[Iron Mantis]

Poor fans hearts are so broken that guys like Cleanthony Early and Mardy Collins didn't pan out that they are afraid to admit when the Knicks actually have something on their hands.

"Poole can make a developmental leap as a starter but IQ cannot just because no".

"Maxey will be the next D.Wade and IQ will be out of the league within a year because I said so".

[thebuzzardman]

Maxey being better doesn't mean IQ sucks, but not being able to see the differences in them as players who play the same position, and just reducing it to "Well he plays with Embiid" is bottom feeder stuff. Not being able to see why Maxey is doing what he's doing, and still arguing that IQ could do it is just homerism. Better handle, better shooter, better athlete, it's really that simple.

They don't play the same position IQ was learning to be a point guard which is why in my response to you i said let's give IQ some credit for learning a completely new position and finally figuring it out once he started getting more minutes.

They play the same position, both will be slotted at and defend the opposing PG on most nights, and neither are or project into being traiditonal PGs. Post all-star break IQ averaged 4.8apg, pre-Harden trade Maxey averaged 4.6apg while playing PG, neither one of these guys are pure PGs, both are scoring combo guards with some playmaking secondary.

Sucks that the Knicks passed on Maxey. Oh wait, they didn't. Well, unless you count Obi.