PG: GRIMES Shines. Stat Whore Randle Throws in the Towel

[Jeffrey]

Thibs had Grimes stand in the corner the rest of the game after he hit his 7th three.

I get the defense tightened up on him
I get he was there to spread the floor.
I don't get why they could set a few screens or run a play for him to get some more jumpshots up.
He wound up forcing like 3 shots after he made 25.
Thibs kind of a clown.

Randle has fallen

Thibs is next

Fans about to turn rabid on him

And the cycle of neverending losing begins. Train is right on time.. always happen within the 2nd season.

I really want the front office and coaching staff to have stability. I want to see this thing for at least a full 3-4 years.

[robillionaire]

Read on Twitter

Someone check on shamgod!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nerlens +1

We need our backup center to step his game up!

[Chanel Bomber]

If Portland is looking to keep Dame then I would try to sell Randle on them. If Dame was dumb enough to want to come to New York to play with Randle I'm sure he would be ok with Randle going there

They can send us DSJ

[Chanel Bomber]

I'm going to make a longish post. Longer than this game or the Knicks deserve.

Let me get out of the way that none of the moves or suggestions I make will be taken up by the Knicks, their coach, or their FO.

The team is going nowhere. This is no one trade that's going to fix this mess. There are too players with too many issues across too many positions to find a combination that makes up an actual good team.

There's a pretty strong consensus it was a mistake to sign Randle and build the team around him.
There are mixed feelings about RJ's abilities.
Everyone hates Evan.
Everyone but Shamms thinks the C position is a mess and that's only because he still likes Mitch for some odd reason. Then again, he's a Knick fan, so logic isn't any of our strong suits

The Knicks have player redundancies where maybe a couple of trades clear some space on the roster for the youth, get in some SLIGHTLY better players etc.

Randle - I'd trade Randle if I could, but I just don't see it happening. However, Randle and the team might benefit from a C with actual offensive ability. I'd trade:
Kemba, Noel (or Mitch), Knox, A #1 pick for Turner.
Then I'd run a 3 big rotation of Randle, Turner, Obi. F*ck a Noel or Mitch.

The Knicks don't need to carry THREE offensive liability C's in Mitch, Noel and Sims. I'd trade Noel because he flat out sucks. He gets bodied, can't hold onto the ball, is a poor rebounder. He's literally out there taking up space. Mitch is no better but at least he's not bodied as easily. They could trade both for all I care.

Trade Burks or Fournier. Fournier will be hard to move. So it's probably Burks. Grimes has just rendered at least one, if not both, redundant. Move Burks to a contender. It would be nice if Burks could be moved for a competent backup PG but that feels unlikely. Trade Burks to a contender for a future #1, like 4 years away or one of their spares. Make Pepe LePew the 6th man. Maybe if he has the ball in his hands with the 2nd unit more, he won't so completely suck the big baguette

Other players who could be dealt in the right situation: IQ, RJ. I wouldn't move RJ unless it's for a good player, but then it would be a multiple picks, young guy situation and it would have to be a PG or wing coming back and no, Dame isn't the answer. Look, Dame is good, it would get Randle a PG and with Randle\Turner\Dame\Grimes\? that would be ok.
Knicks don't need to be ok.
Knicks need to acknowledge that this team is a few years away from being even a little good.
This offseason set them back this year, next year and who knows how long.

Knicks need to try and get younger, move the vets without taking back too much salary, and field enough decent young guys that maybe a star is enticed, or just hope to get lucky in the draft.

Rose/McBride
Grimes/IQ
RJ/Fournier
Randle/Obi
Turner/Randle

Or, super duper fantasy edition:

Simmons/McBride
Grimes/Fournier (since stuck with him)
RJ/Knox
Obi\That G League guy
Turner\Sims

Where Randle\Burks\Kemba\Noel \Taj\picks went out for Simmons and Turner
Rose went for a pick
Thibs fired
Johnny Bryant promoted, Woodson brought back. lol.

If I'm the Knicks, I approach it from one of two perspectives.

Either I trade away all the inefficient players on the roster while they're still (hopefully) tradeable, and rebuild through the draft and through trades. Or I package a few of these guys and some other assets for Dame hoping that putting Randle in a lesser role unlocks the offense. I much prefer the first way tbh.

Avenue 1 (the blow-it-up trade)

Randle to Sacramento for Harrison Barnes and Tyrese Haliburton (operating under the assumption that it's the Kings)
RJ to Indiana with Noel for Turner (or to Charlotte for PJ Washington and James Bouknight)
Fournier to Dallas for Bullock and WCS

Rose
Haliburton
Barnes
Toppin
Turner

With IQ, Burks, Bullock, Mitch coming off the bench.

That'd be a fun line-up with some upside and flexibility moving forward. Obi can set screen and be the roll man and the paint isn't crowded because of Turner. Knicks get a guard with some skills.

Avenue 2 (the go all-in trade)

Trade RJ, Obi, Fournier, Kemba, Dallas 1st, Charlotte 1st, 2 firsts for Dame.
Trade Noel, Mitch, Grimes, 1 first for Turner.

Then you can play
Dame
Burks
Lord Knows
Randle
Turner

With Rose and IQ still leading the second unit.

[HEZI]

No jersey photoshop needed

[Clyde_Style]

Thibs had Grimes stand in the corner the rest of the game after he hit his 7th three.

I get the defense tightened up on him
I get he was there to spread the floor.
I don't get why they could set a few screens or run a play for him to get some more jumpshots up.
He wound up forcing like 3 shots after he made 25.
Thibs kind of a clown.

Randle has fallen

Thibs is next

Fans about to turn rabid on him

And the cycle of neverending losing begins. Train is right on time.. always happen within the 2nd season.

I really want the front office and coaching staff to have stability. I want to see this thing for at least a full 3-4 years.

Thibs is seething

He looks more like a throbbing maggot on the sidelines than usual

What could happen is he doubles down on his bad choices the worse it gets and that will bury him

[prophet_of_rage]

Too much hate for Randle and none for FO lol typical Knicks fans.

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I like this guy.

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[F N 11]

Randle when told to be more of a team guy

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Elfrid Effect

nah... it's called contract year.

Actually MIP Curse, Siakam Ingram Randle all regressed

Bright point: Ingram has bounced back back

[Deeeez Knicks]

Come on people.. nobody is trading for Julius Randle.. you're going to have to ride this one out.

Yea, as much as we need to move on we are stuck. Not many teams will want him and our management probably still values him high

Take back some garbage and a pick. There are other stupid GMs out there. Leon isn’t the only one.

Maybe, but i dunno if the Knicks would even look to move him

[HarthorneWingo]

Yea, as much as we need to move on we are stuck. Not many teams will want him and our management probably still values him high

Take back some garbage and a pick. There are other stupid GMs out there. Leon isn’t the only one.

Maybe, but i dunno if the Knicks would even look to move him

Can this forum take 4 more years of this?

[Spree2Houston]

I’m sure the FO knows they dropped the ball with the Fournier signing and probably hoping to salvage an expiring for him at the deadline. It’s probably why Thibs is playing him so much. Knicks should sell high on Burks and Rose before either goes down with an injury

[F N 11]

Randle after getting Boo’d then playing for a contract.

[whocares1]

Congrats Grimes. Keep it going kid.

Thibs in post game already trying to run by the question on whether Grimes will play more.

“One game doesn’t mean anything but it’s a positive step”

Fire this dude man he’s out of touch. Already talking about this stay ready garbage.

Iq not ready, play the man more wtf .

I mean one game doesn’t mean anything or we’d all be in love with Fournier. Hell, Randle had an entire elite season and everyone already switched on him again. One game isn’t meaningless but it doesn’t mean much.

[Richard4444]

I'm going to make a longish post. Longer than this game or the Knicks deserve.

Let me get out of the way that none of the moves or suggestions I make will be taken up by the Knicks, their coach, or their FO.

The team is going nowhere. This is no one trade that's going to fix this mess. There are too players with too many issues across too many positions to find a combination that makes up an actual good team.

There's a pretty strong consensus it was a mistake to sign Randle and build the team around him.
There are mixed feelings about RJ's abilities.
Everyone hates Evan.
Everyone but Shamms thinks the C position is a mess and that's only because he still likes Mitch for some odd reason. Then again, he's a Knick fan, so logic isn't any of our strong suits

The Knicks have player redundancies where maybe a couple of trades clear some space on the roster for the youth, get in some SLIGHTLY better players etc.

Randle - I'd trade Randle if I could, but I just don't see it happening. However, Randle and the team might benefit from a C with actual offensive ability. I'd trade:
Kemba, Noel (or Mitch), Knox, A #1 pick for Turner.
Then I'd run a 3 big rotation of Randle, Turner, Obi. F*ck a Noel or Mitch.

The Knicks don't need to carry THREE offensive liability C's in Mitch, Noel and Sims. I'd trade Noel because he flat out sucks. He gets bodied, can't hold onto the ball, is a poor rebounder. He's literally out there taking up space. Mitch is no better but at least he's not bodied as easily. They could trade both for all I care.

Trade Burks or Fournier. Fournier will be hard to move. So it's probably Burks. Grimes has just rendered at least one, if not both, redundant. Move Burks to a contender. It would be nice if Burks could be moved for a competent backup PG but that feels unlikely. Trade Burks to a contender for a future #1, like 4 years away or one of their spares. Make Pepe LePew the 6th man. Maybe if he has the ball in his hands with the 2nd unit more, he won't so completely suck the big baguette

Other players who could be dealt in the right situation: IQ, RJ. I wouldn't move RJ unless it's for a good player, but then it would be a multiple picks, young guy situation and it would have to be a PG or wing coming back and no, Dame isn't the answer. Look, Dame is good, it would get Randle a PG and with Randle\Turner\Dame\Grimes\? that would be ok.
Knicks don't need to be ok.
Knicks need to acknowledge that this team is a few years away from being even a little good.
This offseason set them back this year, next year and who knows how long.

Knicks need to try and get younger, move the vets without taking back too much salary, and field enough decent young guys that maybe a star is enticed, or just hope to get lucky in the draft.

Rose/McBride
Grimes/IQ
RJ/Fournier
Randle/Obi
Turner/Randle

Or, super duper fantasy edition:

Simmons/McBride
Grimes/Fournier (since stuck with him)
RJ/Knox
Obi\That G League guy
Turner\Sims

Where Randle\Burks\Kemba\Noel \Taj\picks went out for Simmons and Turner
Rose went for a pick
Thibs fired
Johnny Bryant promoted, Woodson brought back. lol.

If I'm the Knicks, I approach from two different perspectives.

Either I trade away all the inefficient players on the roster while they're still (hopefully) tradeable, and rebuild through the draft and through trades. Or I package a few of these guys and some other assets for Dame hoping that putting Randle in a lesser role unlocks the offense. I much prefer the first way tbh.

Avenue 1 (the blow-it-up trade)

Randle to Sacramento for Harrison Barnes and Tyrese Haliburton (operating under the assumption that it's the Kings)
RJ to Indiana with Noel for Turner (or to Charlotte for PJ Washington and James Bouknight)
Fournier to Dallas for Bullock and WCS

Rose
Haliburton
Barnes
Toppin
Turner

With IQ, Burks, Bullock, Mitch coming off the bench.

That'd be a fun line-up with some upside and flexibility moving forward. Obi can set screen and be the roll man and the paint isn't crowded because of Turner. Knicks get a guard with some skills.

Avenue 2 (the go all-in trade)

Trade RJ, Obi, Fournier, Kemba, Dallas 1st, Charlotte 1st, 2 firsts for Dame.
Trade Noel, Mitch, Grimes, 1 first for Turner.

Then you can play
Dame
Burks
Lord Knows
Randle
Turner

With Rose and IQ still leading the second unit.

That's really funny.

I think Randle is a good player in a not so bad contract but in a really bad time mentally. You think he just is a mediocre player in an albatross contract.

Although thinking Randle is a good player, I don't think he could net us Barnes + Haliburton. IMO, Randle for Barnes alone could be a fair trade. Haliburton is one of the best young players out there and almost untouchable.

How can you think he has so much trade value being so mediocre?

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

I'm going to make a longish post. Longer than this game or the Knicks deserve.

Let me get out of the way that none of the moves or suggestions I make will be taken up by the Knicks, their coach, or their FO.

The team is going nowhere. This is no one trade that's going to fix this mess. There are too players with too many issues across too many positions to find a combination that makes up an actual good team.

There's a pretty strong consensus it was a mistake to sign Randle and build the team around him.
There are mixed feelings about RJ's abilities.
Everyone hates Evan.
Everyone but Shamms thinks the C position is a mess and that's only because he still likes Mitch for some odd reason. Then again, he's a Knick fan, so logic isn't any of our strong suits

The Knicks have player redundancies where maybe a couple of trades clear some space on the roster for the youth, get in some SLIGHTLY better players etc.

Randle - I'd trade Randle if I could, but I just don't see it happening. However, Randle and the team might benefit from a C with actual offensive ability. I'd trade:
Kemba, Noel (or Mitch), Knox, A #1 pick for Turner.
Then I'd run a 3 big rotation of Randle, Turner, Obi. F*ck a Noel or Mitch.

The Knicks don't need to carry THREE offensive liability C's in Mitch, Noel and Sims. I'd trade Noel because he flat out sucks. He gets bodied, can't hold onto the ball, is a poor rebounder. He's literally out there taking up space. Mitch is no better but at least he's not bodied as easily. They could trade both for all I care.

Trade Burks or Fournier. Fournier will be hard to move. So it's probably Burks. Grimes has just rendered at least one, if not both, redundant. Move Burks to a contender. It would be nice if Burks could be moved for a competent backup PG but that feels unlikely. Trade Burks to a contender for a future #1, like 4 years away or one of their spares. Make Pepe LePew the 6th man. Maybe if he has the ball in his hands with the 2nd unit more, he won't so completely suck the big baguette

Other players who could be dealt in the right situation: IQ, RJ. I wouldn't move RJ unless it's for a good player, but then it would be a multiple picks, young guy situation and it would have to be a PG or wing coming back and no, Dame isn't the answer. Look, Dame is good, it would get Randle a PG and with Randle\Turner\Dame\Grimes\? that would be ok.
Knicks don't need to be ok.
Knicks need to acknowledge that this team is a few years away from being even a little good.
This offseason set them back this year, next year and who knows how long.

Knicks need to try and get younger, move the vets without taking back too much salary, and field enough decent young guys that maybe a star is enticed, or just hope to get lucky in the draft.

Rose/McBride
Grimes/IQ
RJ/Fournier
Randle/Obi
Turner/Randle

Or, super duper fantasy edition:

Simmons/McBride
Grimes/Fournier (since stuck with him)
RJ/Knox
Obi\That G League guy
Turner\Sims

Where Randle\Burks\Kemba\Noel \Taj\picks went out for Simmons and Turner
Rose went for a pick
Thibs fired
Johnny Bryant promoted, Woodson brought back. lol.

I love the way you say you are going to put more effort into the post than the Knicks deserve then simply recycle your trade idea from a couple of days ago and add a couple of bells and whistles. Genius.

[prophet_of_rage]

I don't think Grimes drops 27 if the scouting report was he's the Knicks best player and he had to play 38 minutes against Giannis.

Realist!

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[prophet_of_rage]

I'm ready to pull the plug on the Fournier experiment. If his shot is off, he just doesn't impact the game at all. Can barely attack a close out because he doesn't have a quick first step and he's not a plus passer either. He should go to the bench with IQ or Rose taking his place (once we are healthy)

Tha k you. Fournier adds nothing either way.

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[KnixtapeH20]

Congrats Grimes. Keep it going kid.

Thibs in post game already trying to run by the question on whether Grimes will play more.

“One game doesn’t mean anything but it’s a positive step”

Fire this dude man he’s out of touch. Already talking about this stay ready garbage.

Iq not ready, play the man more wtf .

I mean one game doesn’t mean anything or we’d all be in love with Fournier. Hell, Randle had an entire elite season and everyone already switched on him again. One game isn’t meaningless but it doesn’t mean much.

His form and he can shoot with a hand in his face effortlessly WITH confidence. It means everything.

[RHODEY]

So what do you guys think?

Does Grimes have Klay potential?

It looks like it

Yes or I like to say Jamal Murry with good defense... So OBI. RJ, Grimes are nice building blocks. I like IQ too but he'd be the odd man out for me if we needed to make a move for a better starter.