Its time for the Knicks to make a move on Randle before its too late.

[DaGawd]

Looks unfortunately like last season was a big aberration. Too bad, but I have lost all hope with him turning it around. With last year playoffs it's been now 40 games where he has mostly sucked. I'm not even a huge tank guy but at this point it is the only rational option to walk away with something positive from this season (I mean a high draft pick). The way Thibodeau and the team are going we'll end up with a 15th pick while completely erasing Randle's and Barrett's trade value.

It’s too late for that high pick stuff. This team has already won too many games. And Thibs and the FO won’t allow them to truly bottom out from here on imo

[KnixtapeH20]

If you read Robi's post, it's like there's never been a great player in NY. All crap. Randle just isn't that good and isn't able to play a role effectively because the holes in his game are fatal and they include being a not selective and average shooter, a stationary guy when the ball is moving away from his vicinity, and lots of mistakes.

the only great player to play here in the past 20 years is melo and he was eventually disrespected scapegoated ran out of town with pitchforks and traded for nothing when he couldn’t make it work surrounded by garbage

Marbury was a superstar surrounded by worse talent than Melo. If he didn't go to the rack wrap that ball up and take numerous hits for the and1 which never got called, we would never have scored.

He was hitting shots from half court long before steph curry was in the NBA. We did him a disservice.

[TexasMassacre]

Trade Wandle for a used Gatorade bottle than can be used to make a bong for all I care.

Dude fscking STINKS!

For reference, Gatorade bong:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFOCfNhU8AI8C0m.jpg

[HopelessKnick]

Looks unfortunately like last season was a big aberration. Too bad, but I have lost all hope with him turning it around. With last year playoffs it's been now 40 games where he has mostly sucked. I'm not even a huge tank guy but at this point it is the only rational option to walk away with something positive from this season (I mean a high draft pick). The way Thibodeau and the team are going we'll end up with a 15th pick while completely erasing Randle's and Barrett's trade value.

It’s too late for that high pick stuff. This team has already won too many games. And Thibs and the FO won’t allow them to truly bottom out from here on imo

It is indeed too late to be among the top 3 worst teams, but we can still get into that 4-7 range easily. And with the lottery odds a pick in that range could easily end up in the top 3. But even if we ended up, at say 6, that would be much more positive than making the Play-in and in a best case scenario get swept by the Nets. I mean who in this organization and in his right mind could really look at the eastern conference landscape and really believe that challenging for 7-10 would do anything for this team?

In a best case scenario we get in as a 7th seed and lose in 5 games to the Heat or Bucks (maybe even Bulls). In a worst case scenario we get humiliated by the Nets. Do 40 wins and a first round trouncing do anything for the coaches or the confidence of the players going forward? Nope. With a top 6 pick there IS a great chance to pick up some disgruntled star in a trade or simply draft a young prospect. To me this is an absolute no brainer. Winning now and challenging for a high seed only made sense if Randle and Barrett took some further steps or at least confirmed their last season performance---instead they regressed badly.

On top of that Thibs and the FO are likely gonna run out of credit way earlier than anybody could have anticipated just 5 months ago. The Fournier signing looks terrible (Albeit not unmovable) and extending Randle also looks much more like a burden now than an accomplishment. As for Walker there is not much that needs to be said. Having a high pick will do much more for this franchise going forward than trying to win 35-40 games instead of say 28-33. There is a good chance that some of the bottom teams in the west (Portland, New Orleans) are gonna pile up some wins once Zion and CJ return.

I mean, even in a "win-now" sense it makes much more sense to tank now. We have a team that seemingly has no chemistry between the players and Thibs has seemed to have lost at least part of the players as well. On top of that we hedged our bets on two guys that regressed badly from last season. Getting a high pick will allow the FO to maneuver much much better in the offseason. This team is capped out for the next two seasons---adding only a say mid first round pick and nothing else is gonna keep this team in the dreaded 30 win range for the next 2 years.

[nedleeds]

Trading a pick to get off Randle or Fournier, or taking back dead money (Wall) is admitting they suck. So this FO won't do it, the next FO will have cover to dump Randle.

Edit:

Watch on YouTube

[ccvle]

If you read Robi's post, it's like there's never been a great player in NY. All crap. Randle just isn't that good and isn't able to play a role effectively because the holes in his game are fatal and they include being a not selective and average shooter, a stationary guy when the ball is moving away from his vicinity, and lots of mistakes.

the only great player to play here in the past 20 years is melo and he was eventually disrespected scapegoated ran out of town with pitchforks and traded for nothing when he couldn’t make it work surrounded by garbage

Marbury was a superstar surrounded by worse talent than Melo. If he didn't go to the rack wrap that ball up and take numerous hits for the and1 which never got called, we would never have scored.

He was hitting shots from half court long before steph curry was in the NBA. We did him a disservice.

Knicks and fans love getting their star players then ask them to do what they are not good at then complaint.

[Zenzibar]

the only great player to play here in the past 20 years is melo and he was eventually disrespected scapegoated ran out of town with pitchforks and traded for nothing when he couldn’t make it work surrounded by garbage

Marbury was a superstar surrounded by worse talent than Melo. If he didn't go to the rack wrap that ball up and take numerous hits for the and1 which never got called, we would never have scored.

He was hitting shots from half court long before steph curry was in the NBA. We did him a disservice.

Knicks and fans love getting their star players then ask them to do what they are not good at then complaint.

New York fans are a "what have you done for me lately" type. We'll turn on Randle, Kemba, RJ, IQ, Thibs and soon enough Grimes too.
There are no fans, other than Euro soccer fans, with such venom and impatience.

We've booed Mariano, Messier and Jeter among other HOFs, it's our nature. That's probably why Jeter didn't shed a tear in his last game cause he dealt with us and our throng of media for soo long and was probably just tired and happy to hang them up.

But if you win here, just once, the entire Sports world recognizes the feat as forever heroic and why there is no other place like this sports minefield.


The stage is honestly HUGE and why Durant, Lebron and others wanted no part of it. They love to visit but wouldn't want to live here..

[ccvle]

Marbury was a superstar surrounded by worse talent than Melo. If he didn't go to the rack wrap that ball up and take numerous hits for the and1 which never got called, we would never have scored.

He was hitting shots from half court long before steph curry was in the NBA. We did him a disservice.

Knicks and fans love getting their star players then ask them to do what they are not good at then complaint.

New York fans are a "what have you done for me lately" type. We'll turn on Randle, Kemba, RJ, IQ, Thibs and soon enough Grimes too.
There are no fans, other than Euro soccer fans, with such venom and impatience.

We've booed Mariano, Messier and Jeter among other HOFs, it's our nature. That's probably why Jeter didn't shed a tear in his last game cause he dealt with us and our throng of media for soo long and was probably just tired and happy to hang them up.

But if you win here, just once, the entire Sports world recognizes the feat as forever heroic and why there is no other place like this sports minefield.


The stage is honestly HUGE and why Durant, Lebron and others wanted no part of it. They love to visit but wouldn't want to live here..

Not really sure if thats the point I was trying to make.

What I'm trying to say is that the Knicks love to acquire their star players then go half-as$ to build around their "franchise" star.

They went all in to acquire Stephon Marbury, but then wanted him to play team ball like Chris Duhon.
They got Carmelo then the team and the fans wanted him to play defense and be a play maker.
Randle was at his best when he knows the offense goes through him,. That's why he was at his best when Payton was the pg. But no, the team got Fournier and Kemba to hope Randle can be play defense and efffective with other high volume scorer on the team.

I'm not saying the team or the fans are wrong to want the team to play defense and share the ball, but you don't acquire Carmelo surround him with Bargnini and Calderon.

[Richard4444]

Looks unfortunately like last season was a big aberration. Too bad, but I have lost all hope with him turning it around. With last year playoffs it's been now 40 games where he has mostly sucked. I'm not even a huge tank guy but at this point it is the only rational option to walk away with something positive from this season (I mean a high draft pick). The way Thibodeau and the team are going we'll end up with a 15th pick while completely erasing Randle's and Barrett's trade value.

It’s too late for that high pick stuff. This team has already won too many games. And Thibs and the FO won’t allow them to truly bottom out from here on imo

It is indeed too late to be among the top 3 worst teams, but we can still get into that 4-7 range easily. And with the lottery odds a pick in that range could easily end up in the top 3. But even if we ended up, at say 6, that would be much more positive than making the Play-in and in a best case scenario get swept by the Nets. I mean who in this organization and in his right mind could really look at the eastern conference landscape and really believe that challenging for 7-10 would do anything for this team?

In a best case scenario we get in as a 7th seed and lose in 5 games to the Heat or Bucks (maybe even Bulls). In a worst case scenario we get humiliated by the Nets. Do 40 wins and a first round trouncing do anything for the coaches or the confidence of the players going forward? Nope. With a top 6 pick there IS a great chance to pick up some disgruntled star in a trade or simply draft a young prospect. To me this is an absolute no brainer. Winning now and challenging for a high seed only made sense if Randle and Barrett took some further steps or at least confirmed their last season performance---instead they regressed badly.

On top of that Thibs and the FO are likely gonna run out of credit way earlier than anybody could have anticipated just 5 months ago. The Fournier signing looks terrible (Albeit not unmovable) and extending Randle also looks much more like a burden now than an accomplishment. As for Walker there is not much that needs to be said. Having a high pick will do much more for this franchise going forward than trying to win 35-40 games instead of say 28-33. There is a good chance that some of the bottom teams in the west (Portland, New Orleans) are gonna pile up some wins once Zion and CJ return.

I mean, even in a "win-now" sense it makes much more sense to tank now. We have a team that seemingly has no chemistry between the players and Thibs has seemed to have lost at least part of the players as well. On top of that we hedged our bets on two guys that regressed badly from last season. Getting a high pick will allow the FO to maneuver much much better in the offseason. This team is capped out for the next two seasons---adding only a say mid first round pick and nothing else is gonna keep this team in the dreaded 30 win range for the next 2 years.

Tanking is impossible.

1) Players and coaches (Thibs for sure) don't tank. They care about their career and stats. Front Offices do tank. But what moves the Front Office can do to tank? Trade the vets? But the vets are not playing well. Trading the vets to tank works when your high-paid vets are way better than the rookie contract guys. It's not our case. IMO, we would have the same kind of performance without 2 or 3 vets. I would not be surprised if the team got even better without them.

2) The team will have an easy stretch for the next 30 days. We will probably have a winning record by the beginning of February. The Front Office might be tempted to be a buyer, not a seller.

[seren]

Randle is not a deadweight contract. He already proved he can be quite valuable. I am saying this as someone who hated his initial signing here. Randle proved me wrong. But he has issues giving effort and playing within a system. He needs to be managed. He needs to be held accountable.

[Richard4444]

Trading a pick to get off Randle or Fournier, or taking back dead money (Wall) is admitting they suck. So this FO won't do it, the next FO will have cover to dump Randle.

Edit:

Watch on YouTube

It's also a bad business move paying to dump players for cap space if you do not plan to sign a real star.

First, get a star willing to sign with us. Then think about dumping salary to open cap space.

[Zenzibar]

Knicks and fans love getting their star players then ask them to do what they are not good at then complaint.

New York fans are a "what have you done for me lately" type. We'll turn on Randle, Kemba, RJ, IQ, Thibs and soon enough Grimes too.
There are no fans, other than Euro soccer fans, with such venom and impatience.

We've booed Mariano, Messier and Jeter among other HOFs, it's our nature. That's probably why Jeter didn't shed a tear in his last game cause he dealt with us and our throng of media for soo long and was probably just tired and happy to hang them up.

But if you win here, just once, the entire Sports world recognizes the feat as forever heroic and why there is no other place like this sports minefield.


The stage is honestly HUGE and why Durant, Lebron and others wanted no part of it. They love to visit but wouldn't want to live here..

Not really sure if thats the point I was trying to make.

What I'm trying to say is that the Knicks love to acquire their star players then go half-as$ to build around their "franchise" star.

They went all in to acquire Stephon Marbury, but then wanted him to play team ball like Chris Duhon.
They got Carmelo then the team and the fans wanted him to play defense and be a play maker.
Randle was at his best when he knows the offense goes through him,. That's why he was at his best when Payton was the pg. But no, the team got Fournier and Kemba to hope Randle can be play defense and efffective with other high volume scorer on the team.

I'm not saying the team or the fans are wrong to want the team to play defense and share the ball, but you don't acquire Carmelo surround him with Bargnini and Calderon.

You're right.

The other thing is when the team was right, the coach was wrong. Marbury had a couple of decent teams and either Thomas or Larry Brown or someone would just not be right.

[F N 11]

It’s still time

[knicks94]

Randle should manufacture his own toilet paper brand because he is nothing but azz!

[Im Coming Home]

Yeah..

Get him the f*ck out of here.

[RandlesCornrows]

Good thing about Randle is he could be valuable on a team set up where he’d be a third option.

He can’t be a #1 option playing at MSG. He can’t handle it. Of course he had a career year looking for a raise when there were no fans in the stands.

Get him outta here he’s a detriment to this squad

[KnixtapeH20]

Trade Randle jesus he's the worst starter in the NBA it's not even close, just get him off this **** team already. Trade him for ANYTHING. It doesn't matter who.

Yes it needed its own topic, everyone make one start a **** petition. This is unbearable watching this team with him on the floor.

I just finished watching the game, imagine being upset after a win. This is not fun watching this team with him.

[Fat Kat]

[KnixtapeH20]

Get off of my **** team... My God he's awful I would trade him for Ricky Rubios torn ACL

[Fat]

“No trades stay the course”