OT: Russia-Ukraine War

[HarthorneWingo]

Zelensky is staying in Kyiv

[8516knicks]

This will be Putin’s downfall. I believe he horribly miscalculated here. He’s surrounded only by “Yes” men who are afraid to offer their honest opinions of this war for fear of “repercussions”.

I wonder if there's some psychological component to Dictators where they crave more and more till they reach their level of incompetence -- like Hitler deciding to invade Russia while also fighting on the Western Front and with the USA poised to join in. A sort of DEATH WISH.

[8516knicks]

"Toe to toe"? What does that even mean?

If Putin was smart, he would take the annexations of those two areas in east Ukraine and call it a day. But he's too delusional with power. I also read an article about Putin's "strange" behavior during the pandemic where he basically went into self-isolation.

Re-uniting the former Soviet Union has always been an ambition of Putin's as an ex-KGB member of the former regime.

His Covid table is a nice way to say fvk you to someone.

I kinda want one now

It's great for table hockey!

[HarthorneWingo]

This will be Putin’s downfall. I believe he horribly miscalculated here. He’s surrounded only by “Yes” men who are afraid to offer their honest opinions of this war for fear of “repercussions”.

I wonder if there's some psychological component to Dictators where they crave more and more till they reach their level of incompetence -- like Hitler deciding to invade Russia while also fighting on the Western Front and with the USA poised to join in. A sort of DEATH WISH.

He’s an old KBG agent. This has been on his agenda since he took over. He’s now properly drunk on his own power and thinks that America and NATO are weak after 4 years of Trump and his own propaganda campaign.

[HarthorneWingo]

Putin moving nuclear weapons into Belarus.

[HarthorneWingo]

"Toe to toe"? What does that even mean?

If Putin was smart, he would take the annexations of those two areas in east Ukraine and call it a day. But he's too delusional with power. I also read an article about Putin's "strange" behavior during the pandemic where he basically went into self-isolation.

Re-uniting the former Soviet Union has always been an ambition of Putin's as an ex-KGB member of the former regime.

His Covid table is a nice way to say fvk you to someone.

I kinda want one now

It's great for table hockey!

Beer pong!

[CDAZ]

This will be a lesson to every nation. Never give up your nukes.

[HarthorneWingo]

This will be a lesson to every nation. Never give up your nukes.

When all is said and done here, I hope we can disarm Russia.

[Capn'O]

This will be a lesson to every nation. Never give up your nukes.

When all is said and done here, I hope we can disarm Russia.

And also everyone else (including us)

[Zenzibar]

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This is the second time I've seen a post like this in this thread, and I'm not sure what the point is.

I'm not saying that is what you are saying, but I'll ask. Are you saying Ukraine shouldn't get any aid because of their Nazi history and neo-Nazi groups?

The west still aided Croatia, Bosnia and Albanians in Kosovo against Yugoslavia/Serbia even though those nations have a history of siding with Nazi Germany. Most of Eastern Europe was conquered by Nazi Germany at one point. Germany and Italy were the actual fascist states conquering and making puppet countries (Ukraine). Nazi Germany couldn't have held France for so long if it wasn't for Vichy France. I'm not sure why Western Europe gets a pass for this while it's usually Eastern Europe that gets labeled as Neo-Nazis all the time.

If you ever been to these Western Europe nations recently, you'd see the outright racism. Neo-Nazism is a problem, but not at all unique to Ukraine. And I don't see how letting Russia gain more territories would be any better for the world if your aim is to fight neo-Nazi ideologies.

In the end, who do you think is actually pushing this Ukraine = neo-Nazi narrative? With most of people here believing in Russian hackers/bots/collusion (including me) & when Putin says he wants to de-Nazify Ukraine; who do you think is really pushing this narrative? Can we really not put two and two together here???

Ukrainians are still innocent citizens for the most part and are getting bombed. Hearts out to them, and I hope the west aids them. I know they can't send troops. But hopefully they are supplied with food and equipment as I don't see the Ukrainians abandoning their homes.

No my Guy, not at all. It was just a post.

But in my limited scope, my viewpoint is that this wasn't a mere power grab, since it's implications were going to be too severe. Again, just me looking under the table I would say the invasion has more to do with NATO's buildup of troops on Russia's nothern western flank and the threat of Ukraine joing NATO and if admitted subsequently closing in on Russia from the south west.

Again limited and only my opinion. But what do I know?

In any event this I do know, that common folks suffer the most and for what?

Since the unjustified invasion of Iraq, Libya and other attempts at "regimes changes" were done to steal another countries resources, I've come to understand that hypocracy has no bounds.

All its done is fill the uber rich with more money while leaving millions upon millions is despair. The more I live the more I get see the stupidity of the human species.

[Pointgod]

This will be Putin’s downfall. I believe he horribly miscalculated here. He’s surrounded only by “Yes” men who are afraid to offer their honest opinions of this war for fear of “repercussions”.

I don’t actually think so. Everyone is acting like Putin’s a rational actor here, but he’s thrown the rules out the window. He’s probably crazy enough to the point where he doesn’t care what happens and no other country is as crazy so they back down. Remember when Trump threatened nuclear war with North Korea and everyone was like WTF….. but somehow they ended up exchanging love letters.

[HarthorneWingo]

This will be Putin’s downfall. I believe he horribly miscalculated here. He’s surrounded only by “Yes” men who are afraid to offer their honest opinions of this war for fear of “repercussions”.

I don’t actually think so. Everyone is acting like Putin’s a rational actor here, but he’s thrown the rules out the window. He’s probably crazy enough to the point where he doesn’t care what happens and no other country is as crazy so they back down. Remember when Trump threatened nuclear war with North Korea and everyone was like WTF….. but somehow they ended up exchanging love letters.

I think we’re past that point in this case. Kim Jong Un threatens nukes - that he doesn’t even have - every time his country needs aid.

Apples and oranges

[Zenzibar]

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Bro, why you posting this ****?

First, this article intentionally ignores the fact that the Soviet Union was an ally of the Nazis until the Barbarossa operation. And they together sparked the Second World War.

Yes, in Ukraine there are elements that support the Nazi movement, but they do not influence the actions of the state and are supported by a small group of people, as in any western country. The role of Right Sector cannot be overestimated. They recived something around 2% of votes in elections in 2014 and 2019 (it should also be noted that their base is only in western Ukraine).less than the AfD received in Germany. Russia is trying to create the impression that Ukraine is ruled by them. Yeah, nazi state ruled by jew.

Secondly it's Russia who supports the far right (and far left) parties and politicians throughout the Western world (https://www.jstor.org/stable/48600543?seq=1#metadata_info_tab_contents). And today it was Putin who showed that Russia is a fascist state that does not allow another state to democratically choose how to organize their own country.

All super powers have their dark secrets even us.

Research the book, The Nazis Next Door and while you're at it read about Operation Paperclip.

At the end of the day, humans in general are self destructive egomaniacs and will eventually end life on Earth as we know it.

[HarthorneWingo]

This will be a lesson to every nation. Never give up your nukes.

When all is said and done here, I hope we can disarm Russia.

And also everyone else (including us)

The solution: Coke-a-Cola!

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[Stannis]

I'm being overly dramatic here, I know... But honestly, Ukraine has no nukes, Russia does.

If the west arms Ukraine, and they are putting up a good fight via guerrilla warfare and defending themselves... And maybe even pull a Vietnam vs USA. What's stopping Russia from just nuking them out of frustration?

why would you nuke something that’s about to be your own territory by the end of the week?

It was a hypothetical situation. That's why I said "if" & "out of frustration".

Of course, I don't think Russia will nuke if they can take it all. But if they are thrown out or defeated, and Russia withdraws all their troops. What's stopping them from nuking them? We think Putin is just gonna accept defeat?

[Stannis]

This will be Putin’s downfall. I believe he horribly miscalculated here. He’s surrounded only by “Yes” men who are afraid to offer their honest opinions of this war for fear of “repercussions”.

I think this is wishful thinking. Yeah, he's a madman, but also cunning. You have to accept that.

The west has been hoping Putin would defeat himself for years and he still hasn't. He grew his power. He's been in power for over 20 years. And now there are rumors of US Intel expecting Belarus wanting to be absorbed by Russia. Remember that fugazi election they just had? You see what's going on?

This could be "his downfall". But how long will that last and how many will die? You could say Hitler's downfall was Dunkirk. But the WW2 didn't end until 5 years later.

[dakomish23]

This will be Putin’s downfall. I believe he horribly miscalculated here. He’s surrounded only by “Yes” men who are afraid to offer their honest opinions of this war for fear of “repercussions”.

It’s going to be hilarious to see one side cry b/c a dictatorship collapsed.

B/C that side wants a dictatorship here

[Zenzibar]

This will be Putin’s downfall. I believe he horribly miscalculated here. He’s surrounded only by “Yes” men who are afraid to offer their honest opinions of this war for fear of “repercussions”.

I think this is wishful thinking. Yeah, he's a madman, but also cunning. You have to accept that.

The west has been hoping Putin would defeat himself for years and he still hasn't. He grew his power. He's been in power for over 20 years. And now there are rumors of US Intel expecting Belarus wanting to be absorbed by Russia. Remember that fugazi election they just had? You see what's going on?

This could be "his downfall". But how long will that last and how many will die? You could say Hitler's downfall was Dunkirk. But the WW2 didn't end until 5 years later.

Battle of Stalingrad was actually the turning point.

[Stannis]

This will be Putin’s downfall. I believe he horribly miscalculated here. He’s surrounded only by “Yes” men who are afraid to offer their honest opinions of this war for fear of “repercussions”.

I think this is wishful thinking. Yeah, he's a madman, but also cunning. You have to accept that.

The west has been hoping Putin would defeat himself for years and he still hasn't. He grew his power. He's been in power for over 20 years. And now there are rumors of US Intel expecting Belarus wanting to be absorbed by Russia. Remember that fugazi election they just had? You see what's going on?

This could be "his downfall". But how long will that last and how many will die? You could say Hitler's downfall was Dunkirk. But the WW2 didn't end until 5 years later.

Battle of Stalingrad was actually the turning point.

I said Dunkirk because it was before Stalingrad. And Dunkirk + Battle of Britain united Great Britain as they didn't want to enter the war before that. Germany created an enemy here. Hitler had a weird and psychotic line of thinking to say the least. He half-assed an attack on Dunkirk in hopes that England could eventually be an ally, but then just created an enemy on his western front.

I agree Stalingrad was the turning point (meaning, that was the point in the war where people thought Russia can win it). But I think Dunkrik was technically the downfall and outlined Hitler's fault as a commander.

[8516knicks]

I'm being overly dramatic here, I know... But honestly, Ukraine has no nukes, Russia doesO

If the west arms Ukraine, and they are putting up a good fight via guerrilla warfare and defending themselves... And maybe even pull a Vietnam vs USA. What's stopping Russia from just nuking them out of frustration?

why would you nuke something that’s about to be your own territory by the end of the week?

It was a hypothetical situation. That's why I said "if" & "out of frustration".

Of course, I don't think Russia will nuke if they can take it all. But if they are thrown out or defeated, and Russia withdraws all their troops. What's stopping them from nuking them? We think Putin is just gonna accept defeat?

Putin's facing the NY Knicks. No need for nukes. If he touches Poland, Lithuania, etc. he's moving out of his league. Could he do it? Sure. Would he do it? Maybe. Would he be nuked - probably certain if he uses nukes first. Otherwise Nato defenses are more than up to the task. Nato jets plus missles, etc. outnumber Russia (so i've heard).