Jalen Brunson obsession

[Spree2Houston]

Dallas might be the only team willing to trade for Randle. While Brunson for Randle isn't a ''fair'' trade, I will still do it if Brunson agrees to 3yrs-60 mil. This would allow us to have cap space for 2025 and 2026 (the next big mega FA years)

[dakomish23]

Give near maxes to 6th men types is ok?

Brunson I think is a starter. Is he a top 10 starter? No way. He's in the 15-20 range maybe.

And that's a GIGANTIC upgrade from outside the top 40 for decades

Jalen might be in the top 30. Certainly not the top 20.

In no order:

Steph
Kyrie
Ja
Fox
Conley
Jrue
CP3
Dejounte Murray
Young
Dame
Luka
SGA
Lonzo
LaMelo
Russell
Dinwidiee
FVV
Maxey
Garland
Jamal Murray
ColeWorld
Cade

**** there are even some backups I’d prefer over him like:

Rose
Morris
Patty
Schroeder

Luka isn't a PG IMO. He's the floor general no doubt but just like Lebron he's a SF. I don't agree on DinWidiee Cade or Cole as of right now.

[HarthorneWingo]

I think Tyus Jones could be the more sensible PG for us right now. Knicksfan1992 agrees.

Ty-us Ty-us Ty-us!

[dakomish23]

I think Tyus Jones could be the more sensible PG for us right now. Knicksfan1992 agrees.

Ty-us Ty-us Ty-us!

Get him too. Get them all. I'm sick of non PGs

[moocow007]

Brunson I think is a starter. Is he a top 10 starter? No way. He's in the 15-20 range maybe.

And that's a GIGANTIC upgrade from outside the top 40 for decades

Jalen might be in the top 30. Certainly not the top 20.

In no order:

Steph
Kyrie
Ja
Fox
Conley
Jrue
CP3
Dejounte Murray
Young
Dame
Luka
SGA
Lonzo
LaMelo
Russell
Dinwidiee
FVV
Maxey
Garland
Jamal Murray
ColeWorld
Cade

**** there are even some backups I’d prefer over him like:

Rose
Morris
Patty
Schroeder

Luka isn't a PG IMO. He's the floor general no doubt but just like Lebron he's a SF. I don't agree on DinWidiee Cade or Cole as of right now.

Luka is the PG for the Mavs team is the thing. He runs the offense and the ball is in his hands most of the time. And that's the added concern with having someone like Brunson as the starting PG for the Knicks. He will be handling a (rather massive) role that he's not shown he can handle (the primary starting ball handler and offensive show runner). For a team as needy as the Knicks and that (without Randle) will have even less players that can create their own shot, that's a extremely tall ask. IMO Brunson will just end up being the new "reason why this team sucks" if they sign him to a big contract and, like just about everyone else that the Knicks have brought in for that role, he will fail. What does that mean? It means he'll probably be announced as the Knicks starting PG next season...where the Knicks once again will fail to deliver to expectations, followed by a whole lot of surprised looks and folks looking for a new target for their angst. Alternatives? The Knicks may be better off looking for a more talented and proven shot creator even if it's not a PG.

[dakomish23]

Jalen might be in the top 30. Certainly not the top 20.

In no order:

Steph
Kyrie
Ja
Fox
Conley
Jrue
CP3
Dejounte Murray
Young
Dame
Luka
SGA
Lonzo
LaMelo
Russell
Dinwidiee
FVV
Maxey
Garland
Jamal Murray
ColeWorld
Cade

**** there are even some backups I’d prefer over him like:

Rose
Morris
Patty
Schroeder

Luka isn't a PG IMO. He's the floor general no doubt but just like Lebron he's a SF. I don't agree on DinWidiee Cade or Cole as of right now.

Luka is the PG for the Mavs team is the thing. He runs the offense and the ball is in his hands most of the time. And that's the added concern with having someone like Brunson as the starting PG for the Knicks. He will be handling a (rather massive) role that he's not shown he can handle (the primary starting ball handler and offensive show runner). For a team as needy as the Knicks and that (without Randle) will have even less players that can create their own shot, that's a extremely tall ask. IMO Brunson will just end up being the new "reason why this team sucks" if they sign him to a big contract and, like just about everyone else that the Knicks have brought in for that role, he will fail. What does that mean? It means he'll probably be announced as the Knicks starting PG next season...where the Knicks once again will fail to deliver to expectations, followed by a whole lot of surprised looks and folks looking for a new target for their angst. Alternatives? The Knicks may be better off looking for a more talented and proven shot creator even if it's not a PG.

Look at his games without Luka where he’s the floor general. Pretty good.

Luka isn’t a PG. floor general yes. Is lebron a PG?

[moocow007]

Luka isn't a PG IMO. He's the floor general no doubt but just like Lebron he's a SF. I don't agree on DinWidiee Cade or Cole as of right now.

Luka is the PG for the Mavs team is the thing. He runs the offense and the ball is in his hands most of the time. And that's the added concern with having someone like Brunson as the starting PG for the Knicks. He will be handling a (rather massive) role that he's not shown he can handle (the primary starting ball handler and offensive show runner). For a team as needy as the Knicks and that (without Randle) will have even less players that can create their own shot, that's a extremely tall ask. IMO Brunson will just end up being the new "reason why this team sucks" if they sign him to a big contract and, like just about everyone else that the Knicks have brought in for that role, he will fail. What does that mean? It means he'll probably be announced as the Knicks starting PG next season...where the Knicks once again will fail to deliver to expectations, followed by a whole lot of surprised looks and folks looking for a new target for their angst. Alternatives? The Knicks may be better off looking for a more talented and proven shot creator even if it's not a PG.

Look at his games without Luka where he’s the floor general. Pretty good.

Luka isn’t a PG. floor general yes. Is lebron a PG?

I would consider Luka and Lebron PG's for their team yes. Let me put it this way, if they were not on their teams and the guy who's name is on the scorecard at PG was the actual main offensive shot creator, both those teams would be in trouble.

[RHODEY]

Jalen might be in the top 30. Certainly not the top 20.

In no order:

Steph
Kyrie
Ja
Fox
Conley
Jrue
CP3
Dejounte Murray
Young
Dame
Luka
SGA
Lonzo
LaMelo
Russell
Dinwidiee
FVV
Maxey
Garland
Jamal Murray
ColeWorld
Cade

**** there are even some backups I’d prefer over him like:

Rose
Morris
Patty
Schroeder

Luka isn't a PG IMO. He's the floor general no doubt but just like Lebron he's a SF. I don't agree on DinWidiee Cade or Cole as of right now.

Luka is the PG for the Mavs team is the thing. He runs the offense and the ball is in his hands most of the time. And that's the added concern with having someone like Brunson as the starting PG for the Knicks. He will be handling a (rather massive) role that he's not shown he can handle (the primary starting ball handler and offensive show runner). For a team as needy as the Knicks and that (without Randle) will have even less players that can create their own shot, that's a extremely tall ask. IMO Brunson will just end up being the new "reason why this team sucks" if they sign him to a big contract and, like just about everyone else that the Knicks have brought in for that role, he will fail. What does that mean? It means he'll probably be announced as the Knicks starting PG next season...where the Knicks once again will fail to deliver to expectations, followed by a whole lot of surprised looks and folks looking for a new target for their angst. Alternatives? The Knicks may be better off looking for a more talented and proven shot creator even if it's not a PG.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/jalen-brunson-stats-without-luka-doncic-this-season

I think giving him the reigns will only catapult him to higher levels.

[dakomish23]

Luka isn't a PG IMO. He's the floor general no doubt but just like Lebron he's a SF. I don't agree on DinWidiee Cade or Cole as of right now.

Luka is the PG for the Mavs team is the thing. He runs the offense and the ball is in his hands most of the time. And that's the added concern with having someone like Brunson as the starting PG for the Knicks. He will be handling a (rather massive) role that he's not shown he can handle (the primary starting ball handler and offensive show runner). For a team as needy as the Knicks and that (without Randle) will have even less players that can create their own shot, that's a extremely tall ask. IMO Brunson will just end up being the new "reason why this team sucks" if they sign him to a big contract and, like just about everyone else that the Knicks have brought in for that role, he will fail. What does that mean? It means he'll probably be announced as the Knicks starting PG next season...where the Knicks once again will fail to deliver to expectations, followed by a whole lot of surprised looks and folks looking for a new target for their angst. Alternatives? The Knicks may be better off looking for a more talented and proven shot creator even if it's not a PG.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/jalen-brunson-stats-without-luka-doncic-this-season

I think giving him the reigns will only catapult him to higher levels.

Now you're on board? Nice

[dakomish23]

Luka is the PG for the Mavs team is the thing. He runs the offense and the ball is in his hands most of the time. And that's the added concern with having someone like Brunson as the starting PG for the Knicks. He will be handling a (rather massive) role that he's not shown he can handle (the primary starting ball handler and offensive show runner). For a team as needy as the Knicks and that (without Randle) will have even less players that can create their own shot, that's a extremely tall ask. IMO Brunson will just end up being the new "reason why this team sucks" if they sign him to a big contract and, like just about everyone else that the Knicks have brought in for that role, he will fail. What does that mean? It means he'll probably be announced as the Knicks starting PG next season...where the Knicks once again will fail to deliver to expectations, followed by a whole lot of surprised looks and folks looking for a new target for their angst. Alternatives? The Knicks may be better off looking for a more talented and proven shot creator even if it's not a PG.

Look at his games without Luka where he’s the floor general. Pretty good.

Luka isn’t a PG. floor general yes. Is lebron a PG?

I would consider Luka and Lebron PG's for their team yes. Let me put it this way, if they were not on their teams and the guy who's name is on the scorecard at PG was the actual main offensive shot creator, both those teams would be in trouble.

We're not saying shot creator. A PG doesn't have to be the main shot creator. Is Jokic a PG?

[HarthorneWingo]

I think Tyus Jones could be the more sensible PG for us right now. Knicksfan1992 agrees.

Ty-us Ty-us Ty-us!

Get him too. Get them all. I'm sick of non PGs

[RHODEY]

Luka is the PG for the Mavs team is the thing. He runs the offense and the ball is in his hands most of the time. And that's the added concern with having someone like Brunson as the starting PG for the Knicks. He will be handling a (rather massive) role that he's not shown he can handle (the primary starting ball handler and offensive show runner). For a team as needy as the Knicks and that (without Randle) will have even less players that can create their own shot, that's a extremely tall ask. IMO Brunson will just end up being the new "reason why this team sucks" if they sign him to a big contract and, like just about everyone else that the Knicks have brought in for that role, he will fail. What does that mean? It means he'll probably be announced as the Knicks starting PG next season...where the Knicks once again will fail to deliver to expectations, followed by a whole lot of surprised looks and folks looking for a new target for their angst. Alternatives? The Knicks may be better off looking for a more talented and proven shot creator even if it's not a PG.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/jalen-brunson-stats-without-luka-doncic-this-season

I think giving him the reigns will only catapult him to higher levels.

Now you're on board? Nice

Always was from the get go, I thought you were talking about Colin Sexton...

[Meat]

I was wondering if someone can explain to me our obsession with Jalen Brunson. Bruson is a good PG but is he that good that he takes us to the promised land? I'm starting to feel like we are setting ourselves up to overpay another 2nd or 3rd option. Jaden Ivey on the other hand seems like a cornerstone piece to build around. Shouldn't our goal be to get him at all costs.

The knicks start Alex barks at Pg and you make a thread like this?

[8516knicks]

The Nets,with KD and Irving are FOUR games over .500. The Mavs are 50-30. TWENTY games over .500. Yet their 2nd best player, a PG, would not be good enough for the Knicks?? :crazy

Unless you think Doncik is 5 times better then KD and Irving COMBINED!

[HarthorneWingo]

The Nets,with KD and Irving are FOUR games over .500. The Mavs are 50-30. TWENTY games over .500. Yet their 2nd best player, a PG, would not be good enough for the Knicks?? :crazy

Unless you think Doncik is 5 times better then KD and Irving COMBINED!

If we do Brunson, are we talking in a trade for Randle?

[HarthorneWingo]

I would be happy with a professional stop-gap PG which is why I'm a little interested in Tyus Jones. He's also had a nice year and would give us more flexibility.

[spree2kawhi]

Why are Knicks fans so obsessed with mediocrity?

[Adelheid]

20m nowadays doesnt get you a star player. Hell, Julius is a one - time wonder and he is paid more than 25m per for this extension

Evan is paid 17m and he is so-so. D-Rose 15m and he is darn old and abit fragile. Tobias freakin Harrris 36m and he is not a star player. There are quite others paid or overpaid like that out there

Just a perspective

[8516knicks]

The Nets,with KD and Irving are FOUR games over .500. The Mavs are 50-30. TWENTY games over .500. Yet their 2nd best player, a PG, would not be good enough for the Knicks?? :crazy

Unless you think Doncik is 5 times better then KD and Irving COMBINED!

If we do Brunson, are we talking in a trade for Randle?

so u want ALL your XMAS presents early?

[8516knicks]

Why are Knicks fans so obsessed with mediocrity?

Why are so many obsessed with maintaining SUBmediocrity?