OT: NFL 23-24 Season thread 2

[Jalen Bluntson]

You're a nice person for thinking that the Giants will score 20 points versus the Jets defense.

They will get two pick six scores and two FGs!

Why you gotta do Zach like that

He sucks!

[mpharris36]

The Jets defense has been good all year. They also beat or were close against top of the league teams. They also played better against the Cowboys than the Giants did. I like our OL better. Zach has been making fewer mistakes of late as well. The Jets could have one or more wins this season with better QB play. I think overall they are the better team. That's not saying much though.

23-20 Jets win the Snoopy Bowl!!

I would agree I think the Jets are more talented. And there defense has played better...but the Giants defense is hot. They have dominated 2 weeks in a row...so they will get after Zach Wilson. If we can shot down Breece we have a chance.

Also getting back Andrew Thomas will be huge because you have a huge advantage with your dline vs our oline. But I think it will be a close game.

Jets 14, Giants 9 sounds about right

it might even be lower scoring that that

[KOA]

I’m really curious to see if the defense can keep this up. Howell is on pace to be the most sacked QB in NFL history so it shouldn’t be a surprise the Giants were able to get at him.

Zach Wilson is also up there, so we should expect another strong performance this week.

The Giants left a lot of point on the board this past week. Missed FG, muffed return, and fumble in the opponents red zone. So while people are saying that we haven’t put up points, it’s not because the offense isn’t clicking. They just keep shooting them selves in the foot.

Gotta get away from that Plaxico mentality…

[mpharris36]

I’m really curious to see if the defense can keep this up. Howell is on pace to be the most sacked QB in NFL history so it shouldn’t be a surprise the Giants were able to get at him.

Zach Wilson is also up there, so we should expect another strong performance this week.

The Giants left a lot of point on the board this past week. Missed FG, muffed return, and fumble in the opponents red zone. So while people are saying that we haven’t put up points, it’s not because the offense isn’t clicking. They just keep shooting them selves in the foot.

Gotta get away from that Plaxico mentality…

The first half we were executing really well. The 2nd half we didn't move the ball at all. Outside of the long pass to Hyatt near the end of the game I think we barely had 60 yards that half (and we were even lucky to continue that drive)...Tyrod got sacked and we would have had our 4th straight 3 and out in the 2nd half but got a illegal contact call before the sack.

At the end of the day the game is about pts and getting into the end zone. I know Barkleys shoulder was hurting but you can't fumble in that spot.

We were lucky to hold on to that win, we blocked a chip field goal and if Dotson holds onto that 4th down catch inside the 5 yard line they likely score and if they go for 2 we could have lost.

We were dominating that game...crazy the momentum changed on a special team gaff from Shep.

Schoen needs to find a punt returner ASAP, even if it means cutting ties with Paris Campbell who isn't even being used on offense now with Hyatt snap count going up.

[F N 11]

They did Daniel Jones didn’t on first take. Said they going to make sure Daniel is Healthy until February wow. Agreeing that Giants playing better with Taylor.

[F N 11]

That post game presser wow. Seemed like Brian Dabol adjusted his coaching style from getting frustrated as all humans do and seems to be reeling the team back in. Says he is proud of them and we are right there.

[3toheadmelo]

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For sure my man MPH wants to use every reason why the offense looks better, but doesn’t want to act like Taylor is the biggest factor here . Dude is throwing Balls that DJ could only dream of.

The team is def playing harder with Taylor at QB. The offsense seems way more competent with him at QB. You can tell the playbook has opened up.

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[Synciere]

I’m calling out GONYK as well cause he real quiet on seeing Taylor operate the offense better than Jones.

Hmmmmmmm

Can we just relax a bit TC. Yes, we have connected on more deep balls I will give that to Tyrod he's thrown a pretty good deep ball in the two games. He's been very serviceable which is why you pay a backup QB to hold down the fort. But we are still a avg under 12ppg in the two games. Which is pretty identical to what we did in the first 5 games.

And that is with Barkley back in the mix.

Instead of going back and forth we both know when DJ is back healthy he is starting. He's got the contract he is the guy we are at least invested in the near term. He's going to play. We just have to hope it gets better.

The defense has played outstanding last 2 games which is the most promising.

Nah MP, you and some of the others were speaking very boldly about how you can’t even begin to judge the quarterback based on the state of the offensive line. I even asked you if you saw any opportunities for improvement from DJ and you said there was nothing to be coached on. It was never his fault. Now we have a different quarterback and it’s clear that as bad as the Oline has been ole Danny Boy was leaving way too much meat on the bone. No explosive plays. Clear misses. It was never his fault though. Even now you can’t even admit the obvious: that the offense has looked much, much better with Tyrod. Talking to some of you about jones is like talking to your woman when she’s clearly wrong but she still won’t apologize lol.

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For sure my man MPH wants to use every reason why the offense looks better, but doesn’t want to act like Taylor is the biggest factor here . Dude is throwing Balls that DJ could only dream of.

The team is def playing harder with Taylor at QB. The offsense seems way more competent with him at QB. You can tell the playbook has opened up.

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For sure my man MPH wants to use every reason why the offense looks better, but doesn’t want to act like Taylor is the biggest factor here . Dude is throwing Balls that DJ could only dream of.

The team is def playing harder with Taylor at QB. The offsense seems way more competent with him at QB. You can tell the playbook has opened up.

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Who TF is Wesley Steinberg though?

This is clearly clickbait from a non insider.

[mpharris36]

Nah MP, you and some of the others were speaking very boldly about how you can’t even begin to judge the quarterback based on the state of the offensive line. I even asked you if you saw any opportunities for improvement from DJ and you said there was nothing to be coached on. It was never his fault. Now we have a different quarterback and it’s clear that as bad as the Oline has been ole Danny Boy was leaving way too much meat on the bone. No explosive plays. Clear misses. It was never his fault though. Even now you can’t even admit the obvious: that the offense has looked much, much better with Tyrod. Talking to some of you about jones is like talking to your woman when she’s clearly wrong but she still won’t apologize lol.

and yet we are scoring the exact same amount of pts with Barkley back and Pugh who has helped stabilize the offensive line and our defense is playing lights out at the start of these games.

Much much better is crazy, Tyrod has connected on more deep balls yes (Washington gives up a ton of them). No doubt and hopefully we DJ comes back he isn't as shell shocked with the oline to take more deep shots, so I give Tylor credit there. Are you going to be fair and say he also cost us the Bills game by audibling to a run costing us a TD and at least 3 which would have won that game...you would have killed DJ if that was him.

Or the overthrow on the 3rd and 2 late in the game to Wandale yesterday where we had to punt when the game was in the balance. Or the stagnant offense in the 2nd half?

You just hate DJ, but are acting like we are playing some elite offense with Tyrod. Tyrod is doing a very solid job as a backup. I have no complaints but he isn't the starter.

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For sure my man MPH wants to use every reason why the offense looks better, but doesn’t want to act like Taylor is the biggest factor here . Dude is throwing Balls that DJ could only dream of.

The team is def playing harder with Taylor at QB. The offsense seems way more competent with him at QB. You can tell the playbook has opened up.

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[Knicksfan1992]

I’m really curious to see if the defense can keep this up. Howell is on pace to be the most sacked QB in NFL history so it shouldn’t be a surprise the Giants were able to get at him.

Zach Wilson is also up there, so we should expect another strong performance this week.

The Giants left a lot of point on the board this past week. Missed FG, muffed return, and fumble in the opponents red zone. So while people are saying that we haven’t put up points, it’s not because the offense isn’t clicking. They just keep shooting them selves in the foot.

Gotta get away from that Plaxico mentality…

Honestly I think the Jets smash the Giants . I could be wrong ( I thought Eagles would kill us and I was completely wrong on that).

Just think the Jets strengths really tend to line up with the Giants weaknesses in a way that I'm not sure the Giants can overcome. Our defensive front has been stout to say the least. Our coverage team even with practice squad guys has been great and confused some of the best QBs in the league into their worst games of the season. Giants receiver room gotta be one of the most unproven in the league. I can't imagine the Giants with either Jones or Taylor will fare much better especially behind a banged up O-Line who even when healthy is one of the worst units in the league. Giants are giving up over 5 yards per carry to opposing running backs. Breece is an absolute beast and off of his initial pitch count. I'd predict that Breece breaks a long one in this game. Even the fact that the Jets D tends to get off to slow starts and grow into the game kind of plays into our hands considering the Giants have been putrid in the first half for the most part.

With that being said, predicting that a team with Zach Wilson at the helm will smash another team is a risky proposition to say the least . I am concerned about the Giants pass rush getting to Wilson especially with Tippman's status uncertain at guard. Zach has kind of settled in the past few weeks and has done a good job of not losing games on his own, but I can't pretend that I am not worried that this could be one of those games where he just loses it or starts losing confidence because of the pass rush. He seems to play down/up to his competition.

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Damn….that’s embrassing for DJ straight up.

[MrDollarBills]

I’m really curious to see if the defense can keep this up. Howell is on pace to be the most sacked QB in NFL history so it shouldn’t be a surprise the Giants were able to get at him.

Zach Wilson is also up there, so we should expect another strong performance this week.

The Giants left a lot of point on the board this past week. Missed FG, muffed return, and fumble in the opponents red zone. So while people are saying that we haven’t put up points, it’s not because the offense isn’t clicking. They just keep shooting them selves in the foot.

Gotta get away from that Plaxico mentality…

The first half we were executing really well. The 2nd half we didn't move the ball at all. Outside of the long pass to Hyatt near the end of the game I think we barely had 60 yards that half (and we were even lucky to continue that drive)...Tyrod got sacked and we would have had our 4th straight 3 and out in the 2nd half but got a illegal contact call before the sack.

At the end of the day the game is about pts and getting into the end zone. I know Barkleys shoulder was hurting but you can't fumble in that spot.

We were lucky to hold on to that win, we blocked a chip field goal and if Dotson holds onto that 4th down catch inside the 5 yard line they likely score and if they go for 2 we could have lost.

We were dominating that game...crazy the momentum changed on a special team gaff from Shep.

Schoen needs to find a punt returner ASAP, even if it means cutting ties with Paris Campbell who isn't even being used on offense now with Hyatt snap count going up.

That Shep dropped punt was infuriating. We might as well not have anyone back there to field at all at this rate

Schoen has not done well at all in free agency. Glowinski and Campbell are garbage.

[mpharris36]

I’m really curious to see if the defense can keep this up. Howell is on pace to be the most sacked QB in NFL history so it shouldn’t be a surprise the Giants were able to get at him.

Zach Wilson is also up there, so we should expect another strong performance this week.

The Giants left a lot of point on the board this past week. Missed FG, muffed return, and fumble in the opponents red zone. So while people are saying that we haven’t put up points, it’s not because the offense isn’t clicking. They just keep shooting them selves in the foot.

Gotta get away from that Plaxico mentality…

The first half we were executing really well. The 2nd half we didn't move the ball at all. Outside of the long pass to Hyatt near the end of the game I think we barely had 60 yards that half (and we were even lucky to continue that drive)...Tyrod got sacked and we would have had our 4th straight 3 and out in the 2nd half but got a illegal contact call before the sack.

At the end of the day the game is about pts and getting into the end zone. I know Barkleys shoulder was hurting but you can't fumble in that spot.

We were lucky to hold on to that win, we blocked a chip field goal and if Dotson holds onto that 4th down catch inside the 5 yard line they likely score and if they go for 2 we could have lost.

We were dominating that game...crazy the momentum changed on a special team gaff from Shep.

Schoen needs to find a punt returner ASAP, even if it means cutting ties with Paris Campbell who isn't even being used on offense now with Hyatt snap count going up.

That Shep dropped punt was infuriating. We might as well not have anyone back there to field at all at this rate

Schoen has not done well at all in free agency. Glowinski and Campbell are garbage.

interesting enough Glowinski has been actually kinda ok recently. I think it helps that Bredeson is getting comfortable playing center now that JMS has missed a handful of games. So the interior has a little cohesion finally.

Also bobby okereke looks like a fantastic signing.

[MrDollarBills]

The first half we were executing really well. The 2nd half we didn't move the ball at all. Outside of the long pass to Hyatt near the end of the game I think we barely had 60 yards that half (and we were even lucky to continue that drive)...Tyrod got sacked and we would have had our 4th straight 3 and out in the 2nd half but got a illegal contact call before the sack.

At the end of the day the game is about pts and getting into the end zone. I know Barkleys shoulder was hurting but you can't fumble in that spot.

We were lucky to hold on to that win, we blocked a chip field goal and if Dotson holds onto that 4th down catch inside the 5 yard line they likely score and if they go for 2 we could have lost.

We were dominating that game...crazy the momentum changed on a special team gaff from Shep.

Schoen needs to find a punt returner ASAP, even if it means cutting ties with Paris Campbell who isn't even being used on offense now with Hyatt snap count going up.

That Shep dropped punt was infuriating. We might as well not have anyone back there to field at all at this rate

Schoen has not done well at all in free agency. Glowinski and Campbell are garbage.

interesting enough Glowinski has been actually kinda ok recently. I think it helps that Bredeson is getting comfortable playing center now that JMS has missed a handful of games. So the interior has a little cohesion finally.

Also bobby okereke looks like a fantastic signing.

Oops, yeah you're right. Okereke has been a beast

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[Synciere]

Nah MP, you and some of the others were speaking very boldly about how you can’t even begin to judge the quarterback based on the state of the offensive line. I even asked you if you saw any opportunities for improvement from DJ and you said there was nothing to be coached on. It was never his fault. Now we have a different quarterback and it’s clear that as bad as the Oline has been ole Danny Boy was leaving way too much meat on the bone. No explosive plays. Clear misses. It was never his fault though. Even now you can’t even admit the obvious: that the offense has looked much, much better with Tyrod. Talking to some of you about jones is like talking to your woman when she’s clearly wrong but she still won’t apologize lol.

and yet we are scoring the exact same amount of pts with Barkley back and Pugh who has helped stabilize the offensive line and our defense is playing lights out at the start of these games.

Much much better is crazy, Tyrod has connected on more deep balls yes (Washington gives up a ton of them). No doubt and hopefully we DJ comes back he isn't as shell shocked with the oline to take more deep shots, so I give Tylor credit there. Are you going to be fair and say he also cost us the Bills game by audibling to a run costing us a TD and at least 3 which would have won that game...you would have killed DJ if that was him.

Or the overthrow on the 3rd and 2 late in the game to Wandale yesterday where we had to punt when the game was in the balance. Or the stagnant offense in the 2nd half?

You just hate DJ, but are acting like we are playing some elite offense with Tyrod. Tyrod is doing a very solid job as a backup. I have no complaints but he isn't the starter.

No one said elite; don’t put words in peoples mouths. But the same way you could watch that game and others and find opportunities to critique Taylor in a game where he played well when you couldn’t do that during Jones’s games is showing your bias. It’s not that I don’t like Jones; it’s that I’ve watched him play is all. Taylor has played better than Jones. Full stop. And if the output is still the same but Jones makes 35 million more then the situation is more dire than we can imagine.